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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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    #1382
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »
    Only if you register your car ownership.

    And if you don't, and don't pay your motor tax, you can still get fined and get your car lifted, so explain that ?

    A large number of people withholding payment until March 2013 is how this tax can be broken, not by pseudo legal arguments.

    This tax will not be broken. If you are stupid enough not to pay, it will sit as a liability on you home, with penalties and interest. If you are nailed, you know the fine.

    What's very wrong on this thread, is the misguided rubbish being put forward by certain contributors. There is a risk that it will sway certain law abiding folk against paying their legally due tax (& result in a vastly increased charge as a consequence).

    The 'principled' loud mouths who are advocating this position should PM their personal details to any people who choose not to pay on their advice. Esp our pals from the United Left Alliance. As they continually claim this is not about the money, they should therefore indemnify the people they are guiding into non-payment (re: fines / interest and penalties).

    It would be a great way to demonstrate if they are really genuine.

    BTW, one other observation, knowing that people like to take the populist choice in polls, isn't it interesting that there is such a small diff in the poll on this site?


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    #1383
    Ian64
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Ian64


    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »
    Only if you register your car ownership.

    And if you don't, and don't pay your motor tax, you can still get fined and get your car lifted, so explain that ?

    A large number of people withholding payment until March 2013 is how this tax can be broken, not by pseudo legal arguments.
    The people claiming they can defeat this tax are the same people who claimed(with certainty) that refuse collection in Dublin would remain free and Never be privatized...eh remind who doesn't collect your rubbish anymore,,oh DCC!


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    #1384
    Ian64
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Ian64


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    This tax will not be broken. If you are stupid enough not to pay, it will sit as a liability on you home, with penalties and interest. If you are nailed, you know the fine.

    What's very wrong on this thread, is the misguided rubbish being put forward by certain contributors. There is a risk that it will sway certain law abiding folk against paying their legally due tax (& result in a vastly increased charge as a consequence).

    The 'principled' loud mouths who are advocating this position should PM their personal details to any people who choose not to pay on their advice. Esp our pals from the United Left Alliance. As they continually claim this is not about the money, they should therefore indemnify the people they are guiding into non-payment (re: fines / interest and penalties).

    It would be a great way to demonstrate if they are really genuine.

    BTW, one other observation, knowing that people like to take the populist choice in polls, isn't it interesting that there is such a small diff in the poll on this site?
    The same shower who claim they can Bin this tax claimed that they could defeat Domestic refuse charges, they failed then and they will fail now.


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    #1385
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    This tax will not be broken. If you are stupid enough not to pay, it will sit as a liability on you home, with penalties and interest. If you are nailed, you know the fine.

    What's very wrong on this thread, is the misguided rubbish being put forward by certain contributors. There is a risk that it will sway certain law abiding folk against paying their legally due tax (& result in a vastly increased charge as a consequence).

    The 'principled' loud mouths who are advocating this position should PM their personal details to any people who choose not to pay on their advice. Esp our pals from the United Left Alliance. As they continually claim this is not about the money, they should therefore indemnify the people they are guiding into non-payment (re: fines / interest and penalties).

    It would be a great way to demonstrate if they are really genuine.

    BTW, one other observation, knowing that people like to take the populist choice in polls, isn't it interesting that there is such a small diff in the poll on this site?

    There's public meetings being held up and down the country. BTW, in this country there's a thing called democracy..........


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    #1386
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    Ian64 wrote: »
    The same shower who claim they can Bin this tax claimed that they could defeat Domestic refuse charges, they failed then and they will fail now.

    And by fcuk they have gone quiet about that now.

    As I've said before, lots of bluster from the lefties, but never a constructive suggestion. Tax corporates out of the country - that's their only solution.

    I think that the government should randomly select 5% of defaulters and lock them up. Only release them when they've paid their tax / interest / penalties etc, plus the cost of keeping them in jail. Also as they are traitors they should be deemed ineligible for any state support of any description ever again.


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    #1387
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    There's public meetings being held up and down the country. BTW, in this country there's a thing called democracy..........

    Pity it isn't respected!!!!!

    We have a government. They were voted in. They are enacting legislation, and there seems to be a group here who feel they have a right not alone to disobey themselves, but also to actively encourage others to do the same.


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    #1388
    Ian64
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Ian64


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    There's public meetings being held up and down the country. BTW, in this country there's a thing called democracy..........
    And the democratically elected Government with the biggest dail majority in the history of the state have introduced a property tax.
    Now if you actually believed in democracy you would pay it and encourage others to do the same


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    #1389
    Ian64
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Ian64


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    There's public meetings being held up and down the country. BTW, in this country there's a thing called democracy..........
    Yeah, they had public meetings about the Bin charges too!


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    #1390
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    There's public meetings being held up and down the country. BTW, in this country there's a thing called democracy..........

    Those public meetings are an attempt by certain loony left wing political parties to tap into public anger at additional taxes in order to further their own selfish self interests. People are being played like violins and they can't even see it.

    They want the trappings of democracy without the responsibilities that come with it.


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    #1391
    gsxr1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    Its hard to know how to react to the growing number of elected people in our communities who tell us not to pay.

    Not knowing the details of the household tax thing yet, I would be second guessing paying it. Which I am.

    I dont want to give them a days wage.
    I need the money to live.
    Why cant Bertie pay everyone's charge. He was a big player in bringing us here and Im sure he can afford it.

    I think I will wait to the last hour before doing anything.


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    #1392
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    gsxr1 wrote: »
    Its hard to know how to react to the growing number of elected people in our communities who tell us not to pay.

    Not knowing the details of the household tax thing yet, I would be second guessing paying it. Which I am.

    I dont want to give them a days wage.
    I need the money to live.
    Why cant Bertie pay everyone's charge. He was a big player in bringing us here and Im sure he can afford it.

    I think I will wait to the last hour before doing anything.

    Ah come on, Would you just grow up?

    You might as well go down to Marks and Spencer and rob your groceries with that attitude.

    You rely on roads, hospitals, schools, guards, water, etc etc etc. Someone has to pay for them. Collectively, we are not doing that at the moment. Everyone has to pay their share.


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    #1393
    greenpilot
    Registered Users Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    Pity it isn't respected!!!!!

    We have a government. They were voted in. They are enacting legislation, and there seems to be a group here who feel they have a right not alone to disobey themselves, but also to actively encourage others to do the same.

    Actually Donal, It IS our right to actively discourage people to pay this unjust pseudo tax. I have been reading all your recent threads and you seem to be really overdoing the whole "toe the line" act on this one. Do you work for the Government?

    You seem to be forgetting the bigger picture regarding your assumption that this tax will be paid up by all....not all of us live in Dublin, you know. Not all of us are swayed by Socialist groups, or United Left Alliance types-most of whom have never been heard of in Rural areas, or indeed areas outside the Pale. Most of us DONT get any services.

    We have to recycle our own rubbish, and almost all rural people-ie, the rest of the country- pay for our water already, either through Group Water schemes, or through the drilling of our own wells

    We dont have street lighting, public transport and our roads are not being mended by the council. So despite what you may think, we....that is the rest of us OUTSIDE the pale, wont be paying the Tax.

    It all boils down to one simple thing....people power. Us culchies will be holding out on this one, I can tell you, and, in a years time, when all the scaremongering has died down....lets see who comes out on top.....The scared, foolish sheep who paid- or the rest of us with a bit of common sense.....Keep your receipt Donal, you may need it!!;)


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    #1394
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    greenpilot wrote: »
    Actually Donal, It IS our right to actively discourage people to pay this unjust pseudo tax. I have been reading all your recent threads and you seem to be really overdoing the whole "toe the line" act on this one. Do you work for the Government?

    You seem to be forgetting the bigger picture regarding your assumption that this tax will be paid up by all....not all of us live in Dublin, you know. Not all of us are swayed by Socialist groups, or United Left Alliance types-most of whom have never been heard of in Rural areas, or indeed areas outside the Pale. Most of us DONT get any services.

    We have to recycle our own rubbish, and almost all rural people-ie, the rest of the country- pay for our water already, either through Group Water schemes, or through the drilling of our own wells

    We dont have street lighting, public transport and our roads are not being mended by the council. So despite what you may think, we....that is the rest of us OUTSIDE the pale, wont be paying the Tax.

    It all boils down to one simple thing....people power. Us culchies will be holding out on this one, I can tell you, and, in a years time, when all the scaremongering has died down....lets see who comes out on top.....The scared, foolish sheep who paid- or the rest of us with a bit of common sense.....Keep your receipt Donal, you may need it!!;)

    I don't work for the government. I have no connections with FG or Labour (or any other political party). I think I have already stated this - but obviously your literacy isn't great > maybe education hasn't moved outside Dublin yet either?

    The comment that was made was based about the democratic rights of the people. We all knew when putting this government into power that these charges we coming. You can dispute it as much as you want, but that is fact.

    The people democratically put FG and Labour into power, and if you believe in democracy, you would now sign up to what they are proposing. I'll guess at least 50% of the representatives from your own (rural) constituency support the government?? If you are not happy with them, you should advise them accordingly and clobber them at the next election.

    I have no intention of getting into a debate with you on country v dublin. That is for another thread. They each have their merits and negatives, but one point, how much Stamp Duty did you pay when you acquired your home?

    Re your last point: I'll hold onto my receipt alright. You better start putting money behind the milking machine for the fine you'll incur.


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    #1395
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I asked no less than 33 people today if they intended to pay the Property Tax. The results is as follows -
    Yes 11 - reluctantly with most.
    No 15 - definitely not paying.
    Don't know yet - 7.
    If enough people refuse to pay then it will not work for the Govt and despite the concerted efforts of so many Govt posters on here, some recently set up for the purpose of scare-mongering, the Boards pole is also favouring the "No" campaign which reflects the same trend.
    An interesting little exercise I thought.


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    #1396
    gsxr1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    Ah come on, Would you just grow up?

    You might as well go down to Marks and Spencer and rob your groceries with that attitude.

    You rely on roads, hospitals, schools, guards, water, etc etc etc. Someone has to pay for them. Collectively, we are not doing that at the moment. Everyone has to pay their share.

    Yes I agree. Everyone does have to pay their share.

    But I already do pay...





    All my wages have hole to disapear into these days.
    Im just sick and tired of it man. Sick and Fcking tired.


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    #1397
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    black francis wrote: »
    Those public meetings are an attempt by certain loony left wing political parties to tap into public anger at additional taxes in order to further their own selfish self interests. People are being played like violins and they can't even see it.

    They want the trappings of democracy without the responsibilities that come with it.

    They are being held the same way as any union or labour movement would hold a meeting. Mobilising people to effect a change is democracy in action!

    Never joined a union meself. Looking at how good the PS have it I might change my ways.


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    #1398
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I asked no less than 33 people today if they intended to pay the Property Tax. The results is as follows -
    Yes 11 - reluctantly with most.
    No 15 - definitely not paying.
    Don't know yet - 7.
    If enough people refuse to pay then it will not work for the Govt and despite the concerted efforts of so many Govt posters on here, some recently set up for the purpose of scare-mongering, the Boards pole is also favouring the "No" campaign which reflects the same trend.
    An interesting little exercise I thought.

    Maybe you hang out with a certain type of person:D

    I did the same exercise last week. Everyone (without exception) that I know is paying it. An even more interesting exercise imo.


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    #1399
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I asked no less than 33 people today if they intended to pay the Property Tax. The results is as follows -
    Yes 11 - reluctantly with most.
    No 15 - definitely not paying.
    Don't know yet - 7.
    If enough people refuse to pay then it will not work for the Govt and despite the concerted efforts of so many Govt posters on here, some recently set up for the purpose of scare-mongering, the Boards pole is also favouring the "No" campaign which reflects the same trend.
    An interesting little exercise I thought.

    Probably says more about the type of people you hang around with.


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    #1400
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    gsxr1 wrote: »
    Yes I agree. Everyone does have to pay their share.

    But I already do pay...





    All my wages have hole to disapear into these days.
    Im just sick and tired of it man. Sick and Fcking tired.

    I understand that & can empathise with this particular post.
    No-one likes it, but the fact is the country is bust. Unfortunately standards of living have a good deal further to fall. The alternative is nothing short of disaster.


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    #1401
    gsxr1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    Enda says JUMP!!!!

    Yes 334 28.87% Boardsies SAY "HOW HIGH!!!!"

    Surly we can say no at some stage??? At least put up a fight.


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    #1402
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    squod wrote: »
    They are being held the same way as any union or labour movement would hold a meeting. Mobilising people to effect a change is democracy in action!

    Never joined a union meself. Looking at how good the PS have it I might change my ways.

    Never said the meetings were undemocratic.

    They can be democratic, while still being cynical rabble-rousing affairs.


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    #1403
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    black francis wrote: »
    Probably says more about the type of people you hang around with.

    They were people like yourself attending a school meeting. Well maybe not too much like you because they could reason for themselves and had no agenda.


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    #1404
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    tayto lover wrote: »
    They were people like yourself attending a school meeting. Well maybe not too much like you because they could reason for themselves and had no agenda.

    What class are they in? Primary?

    You should tell them to stop worrying as it probably can't be enforced against under 18 year olds.


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    #1405
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Ian64 wrote: »
    The same shower who claim they can Bin this tax claimed that they could defeat Domestic refuse charges, they failed then and they will fail now.
    Refuse charges were brought in at a time when this country was 'on the up' as they say, so most people didn't really mind paying for the service.

    Now we're in a totally different place and most people can see that these new taxes are only being put in place to pay off unsecured bondholders in our bankrupt financial institutions. These taxes are being implemented because merkel, sarcosy and the IMF are telling us what to do.


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    #1406
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    As an example....

    A friend tried to have a car imported and registered using one of the many registration numbers reserved by the authorities. He offered to pay a premium of €100 to have a cool number applied to his car.

    Apparently it's no longer possible to do this. We guesstimated the loss to the exchequer could be as much as €200,000pa.

    Personalised plates can make thousands in the UK. We could introduce them here with little hassle.

    There's 101 other ways of generating this kind of revenue. FG/Labour are choosing to prevoke the public with this kind of ridiculous tax instead.


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    #1407
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    What class are they in? Primary?

    You should tell them to stop worrying as it probably can't be enforced against under 18 year olds.

    Posted like a true little Enda Munchkin and backed up by another of his little disciples. Faithful little followers.


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    #1408
    Ian64
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Ian64


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Posted like a true little Enda Munchkin and backed up by another of his little disciples. Faithful little followers.
    It would appear that the last resort of those with no itellectuall or legitimate arguement is to become personally abusive to those who dont share their minority opinions


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    #1409
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Ian64 wrote: »
    It would appear that the last resort of those with no itellectuall or legitimate arguement is to become personally abusive to those who dont share their minority opinions

    Agree BUT tell that to your friends.


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    #1410
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    I understand that & can empathise with this particular post.
    No-one likes it, but the fact is the country is bust. Unfortunately standards of living have a good deal further to fall. The alternative is nothing short of disaster.

    You can empathise with that particular post, yet you call for a €700 property tax as soon as possible (post#1166).

    So living standards for you wont be too bad, just others already at disaster stage now. Maybe that will change for you if the country goes into the abyss, and thats all your losing sleep over, where as for many others, it really cant get much worse.

    No wonder other posters think you have a government influenced agenda, because you really sound like a party member.


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    #1411
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    As an example....

    A friend tried to have a car imported and registered using one of the many registration numbers reserved by the authorities. He offered to pay a premium of €100 to have a cool number applied to his car.

    Apparently it's no longer possible to do this. We guesstimated the loss to the exchequer could be as much as €200,000pa.

    Personalised plates can make thousands in the UK. We could introduce them here with little hassle.

    There's 101 other ways of generating this kind of revenue. FG/Labour are choosing to prevoke the public with this kind of ridiculous tax instead.

    200k is 0.00125% of the current budget deficit.
    Multiplied by the 101 other ways you apparently have and we've come up with 0.126%.

    Well done, only another 99.87% to go.


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