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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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    #9902
    emo72
    Registered Users Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭emo72


    alastair wrote: »
    You haven't heard the news about water charges?

    yes, of course. lets see how that pans out.


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    #9903
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Sionach wrote: »
    That doesn't answer the question I posed. Can't admit your wrong.

    So, you're saying the poll tax wasn't a tax either?


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    #9904
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    hondasam wrote: »
    I would not say that, even people who are unemployed can afford €2 a week.

    Am I missing the option to pay by 2 euro a week?


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    #9905
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Ghandee wrote: »
    who told you that?
    Someone from the govt?

    Lying hoors the lot of em!:pac:

    Come join the no side Alastair, not to late yet.
    I already paid this unjust tax, is it too late for me?


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    #9906
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    I expect a standing charge on water, probably €200-€250 a year until they role out meters which will take years.


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    #9907
    Sionach
    Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭Sionach


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Sionach wrote: »
    Can you confirm the name of the topic in which you are posting.

    Never thought id be agreeing with alastair in this thread, but it certainly is a tax.
    It's a charge. You don't have to register for taxes. You do have to register for charges. For example bin charges.


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    #9908
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    emo72 wrote: »
    yes, of course. lets see how that pans out.

    Different circumstances, different realities. We had our break from rates, and it didn't work out. Time to move on.


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    #9909
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Yes, because we don't pay enough....it's all very simple!
    There was enough at the height of the bubble and we still didn't get them.
    What makes you think that'll change now?


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    #9910
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Sionach wrote: »
    It's a charge. You don't have to register for taxes. You do have to register for charges. For example bin charges.

    You don't have to register to be liable for this tax. That much is going to become much clearer to many in short order.


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    #9911
    Sionach
    Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭Sionach


    alastair wrote: »
    Sionach wrote: »
    That doesn't answer the question I posed. Can't admit your wrong.

    So, you're saying the poll tax wasn't a tax either?
    Poll TAX, Household CHARGE.


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    #9912
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,493 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Sionach wrote: »
    It's a charge. You don't have to register for taxes. You do have to register for charges. For example bin charges.

    You do not have to register for bin charges here. That is a private transaction between you and the bin company. You can always dispose of your own rubbish.


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    #9913
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Sionach wrote: »
    Poll TAX, Household CHARGE.

    So, you don't know what the poll tax was actually termed? Wikipedia might be your friend there.


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    #9914
    OMARS_COMING_
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭OMARS_COMING_


    I was thinking of this,srs.

    What if for the next 3 or 4 years we just gave cent of disposible income to the goverment to pay of our debts,i mean everything.We just keep enough for food,heating,alcohol and cigs etc etc,the bare essentials.

    LOL


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    #9915
    emo72
    Registered Users Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭emo72


    alastair wrote: »
    Different circumstances, different realities. We had our break from rates, and it didn't work out. Time to move on.

    yea but, before we move on. do you acknowledge the backtrack? just to let people know that sometimes when there is enough of a protest that governments change their minds. its happened before.


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    #9916
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    lividduck wrote: »
    I already paid this unjust tax, is it too late for me?

    Not at all!

    Sure I'm exempt!

    Told all posters on this thread (when I found out I was exempt) I was exempt, but I'd oppose it to the end.


    If something doesn't sit right, it's up to you to say so.


    Move over in the bed lads, let livid in lol!


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    #9917
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    emo72 wrote: »
    yea but, before we move on. do you acknowledge the backtrack? just to let people know that sometimes when there is enough of a protest that governments change their minds. its happened before.

    No need to go back that far - the OAP's and medical cards aren't that long ago - but this is a far bigger deal, and they've committed to the troika to get this sorted.


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    #9918
    Roverek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭Roverek


    alastair wrote: »
    Let's put this to bed - you'll have to pay up one way or another - hoping that enough volume of people will be prepared to go to court is only going to lead to disappointment. The state will either bring people before the court or ensure the debt (with tasty penalties) will be anchored to the property, so it can't be sold or transferred without payment. There's no hiding from the obligation to pay up. Your gaff is hard to disguise.
    How much do you get paid for posting this?
    Put me into jail. You will pay for my food and tv behind the bars. Good luck!


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    #9919
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Sionach wrote: »
    It's a charge. You don't have to register for taxes. You do have to register for charges. For example bin charges.

    Money you pay to a government for their expenditure is tax.


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    #9920
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Not at all!

    Sure I'm exempt!

    Told all posters on this thread (when I found out I was exempt) I was exempt, but I'd oppose it to the end.


    If something doesn't sit right, it's up to you to say so.


    Move over in the bed lads, let livid in lol!
    happy to join, but anyone farts in the bed I'll get very ffing nasty!
    Be nice to be on the same side as yourself,tayto,Gerry and the one and only Biggins1
    Don't Register and Don't pay


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    #9921
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Roverek wrote: »
    How much do you get paid for posting this?
    Put me into jail. You will pay for my food and tv behind the bars. Good luck!

    Just to be that bit clearer - you don't need to be put in jail (unless you wind a judge up by being an arse) - they'll get the money anyway. No-one will need to subsidise your lunch.


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    #9922
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    You don't have to register to be liable for this tax. That much is going to become much clearer to many in short order.

    Short order?
    Considering the efficiency and professionalism afforded to the original campaign.........
    There are a few heave-ho's to come folks.


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    #9923
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mikom wrote: »
    Short order?
    Considering the efficiency and professionalism afforded to the original campaign.........
    There are a few heave-ho's to come folks.

    I thought today was supposed to be the real show of resistance? That's what I was told anyway. It's promises, promises with you lads.

    (admittedly - 'short order' could mean a bit of a wait - but it'll happen regardless)


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    #9924
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Old Phil has been hit by all sides including his own party members. Not looking like he is up to the job.


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    #9925
    emo72
    Registered Users Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭emo72


    alastair wrote: »
    No need to go back that far - the OAP's and medical cards aren't that long ago - but this is a far bigger deal, and they've committed to the troika to get this sorted.

    yea, i dont think the government has a choice. they have to be seen to implement it. it would suit them to blame a mass boycott. unfortunately for our government they will need to seek re-election.

    this is all pissing against the wind anyway. 160 million is a drop in the ocean compared to over 3 billion that has to be cut in the next budget. its an impossible task.


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    #9926
    WASP0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 149 ✭✭WASP0


    Looks like the numbers protesting at the Ard Dheis may have been higher than reported by RTE.

    Hopefully this has a snowball effect and more people get out and protest, it will certainly make Kenny and co. sit up and take notice
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/protest-group-claim-10000-attend-household-charge-march-545750.html


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    #9927
    Roverek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭Roverek


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    I expect a standing charge on water, probably €200-€250 a year until they role out meters which will take years.
    And that is the problem. They are too lazy to do anything properly. Property tax is fair if it depends on the value of the house.
    Motor tax depends on the size of the engine it is not a flat charge!


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    #9928
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Link doesn't work.


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    #9929
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    It's promises, promises with you lads.

    Lol at the irony.
    Put that on a postcard and stick it in FG Phils slot why doncha......


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    #9930
    Roverek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭Roverek


    alastair wrote: »
    Just to be that bit clearer - you don't need to be put in jail (unless you wind a judge up by being an arse) - they'll get the money anyway. No-one will need to subsidise your lunch.
    You will :-),thank you.


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    #9931
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Roverek wrote: »
    And that is the problem. They are too lazy to do anything properly. Property tax is fair if it depends on the value of the house.
    Motor tax depends on the size of the engine it is not a flat charge!

    Poor planning by your public authority has lead to significant numbers of house built over the past 10 years without water meters. These are the same wasteful officials this tax is going to be given too.


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