Clare Daly - she's bloody intolerable

RobAMerc

Does anyone find this woman totally intolerable ?
I hear her spouting idealistic nonsense constantly always with a huge chip on her shoulder towards anyone that earns above the minimum wage.
She is also consistently making up figures to support her argument and seems to have little or know knowledge or at least ill conceived ideas.

I wonder how she sleeps at night when she earns 100k per annum and most of the people who voted for her are on the bread line ?



Mod Addition

By all means feel free to criticise Ms Daly's policies and views, but lets have no more of this cheap and petty namecalling nonsense.

Either make your point in a reasonable and adult fashion, or find somewhere else to make it

Cheers

DrG

dsmythy

Since when does she earn 100k :eek:

Either way yes, very annoying. Though I fondly remember her grim black and white election posters.

mikemac

Has a picture of her smiling ever been found? I think I've only ever seen one

A real socialist, always miserable.
She needs a holiday or something

Manach

mikemac wrote: »

Has a picture of her smiling ever been found? I think I've only ever seen one

A real socialist, always miserable.
She needs a holiday or something

People can afford holidays?

RobAMerc

dsmythy wrote: »

Since when does she earn 100k :eek:

Worse still as a TD she is earning 100k+ of your taxes - makes me sick, she is a class A idiot in my opinion, always trying to make out anyone that has done well for them selves and earns a decent wage is some sort of tyrant while there isn't a single person on the dole or any form of welfare that isn't totally deserving of every penny :rolleyes:

pragmatic1

Shes the definition of a moanbag.

dsmythy

RobAMerc wrote: »

Worse still as a TD she is earning 100k+ of your taxes - makes me sick, she is a class A idiot in my opinion, always trying to make out anyone that has done well for them selves and earns a decent wage is some sort of tyrant while there isn't a single person on the dole or any form of welfare that isn't totally deserving of every penny :rolleyes:

I think she only takes the average wage or something. Don't know what she does with the rest of the money.

Dirk Gently

RobAMerc wrote: »

She is also consistently making up figures to support her argument

RobAMerc wrote: »

I wonder how she sleeps at night when she earns 100k per annum

“I hereby pledge that, if elected as a Socialist Party TD, I will accept only the wage of an average worker. I will donate the balance of my salary to be used to assist in building the Socialist Party and other campaign groups fighting on behalf of ordinary working people.”

RobAMerc wrote: »

her argument and seems to have little or know knowledge

It appears you two have something in common so.

mikemac wrote: »

Has a picture of her smiling ever been found? I think I've only ever seen one

Famously yes, for the Fingal council family portraits. It was an expensive smile too.

AG2R

Anytime I've seen her on tv she comes off looking worse than before, always finds a way to get herself into some sort of trouble.

psychward

Clares' strong ''Dublin working class'' accent is freaky considering she is apparently from Kildare. How do Kildare people typically sound when they speak ?
However considering the type of politicians we have endured and continue to endure we could have a lot worse. Regardless of my opinion of her politicial views I think it's good for democracy if we have a few people in the Dail who don't sing from the same hymn sheet as the rest of them.

femur61

dsmythy wrote: »

Since when does she earn 100k :eek:

Either way yes, very annoying. Though I fondly remember her grim black and white election posters.

Well she got elected = TD's wages.

Terrontress

Being a constituent I have given her my number 1 in every election since I registered to vote. I correctly called her as an irritating hatchet and thought she'd be ideal to break up any cosy backslapping sessions.

Long may she continue to harrass, complain and irritate.

PeakOutput

Its embarrasing that people from my constituency voted for her tbh

the bolt

i would much prefer someone like her who has moral backbone and is honest than some of the main stream politicans who say whatever they think people want to hear.might not agree with her allways but at least you she not in it for brown envelops.

Uriel.

the bolt wrote: »

i would much prefer someone like her who has moral backbone and is honest than some of the main stream politicans who say whatever they think people want to hear.might not agree with her allways but at least you she not in it for brown envelops.

??

She does the same. Proclaims all these wonderful socialist ideas and how things should be done because its popular with the unthinking voter who's concerns only stretch to them and their family, without heed for the bigger picture.

Ireland can be described as being on a downhill slope right now, no doubt, but if we implemented her bullsh1t "policies" we'd remain on the down ward slope but this time we'd have a steam engine strapped to us ensuring a free fall descent.

Anyone with any sense of initiative and entrepreneurialship would be gone under her policies, so would all the multinationals, all the while protecting trade unionism and ensuring that those people in companies whose jobs have disappeared are kept on and paid

It's very easy to be in the type of opposition that is so minor that you can say what ever you want knowing that you'll never be held to account on the other side of the table

Padraig Mor

Notice how she refuses to condemn welfare fraudsters as well.

vektarman

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Notice how she refuses to condemn welfare fraudsters as well.

Any links to this?

Padraig Mor

vektarman wrote: »

Any links to this?

She was on Vinnie Brown spouting it last night - saying there is no welfare fraud :rolleyes:

fliball123

vektarman wrote: »

Any links to this?

She was on Vinny B doing this exact thing..spouting that she doesnt know anyone who is screwing the system..the dizzy bint..they are hardly going to go up to her Hi Claire I am screwing it over..I know 3 / 4 people screwing it and I would bet everyone on this board knows at least one person screwing it...

She spouted ahh we need jobs...and when asked what was her way of creating these jobs.....Well Vinny B the private sector has seen their capital cut from 54billion to 17 billion so the private sector is not going to do..So the gov need to do it.?? So how does that work claire were do we get this money..Lets tax more.....She was shown by the other lad who has the book out that we are past the point of diminishing returns with tax and it was also pointed out that if a wealth tax is put on the richest will take their assets and cash out of Ireland...The demo left totally derived of any ideas to get us out of the mire...Also claire please wash your hair love

Padraig Mor

fliball123 wrote: »

She spouted ahh we need jobs...and when asked what was her way of creating these jobs.....

Don't forget her plan to spend borrow billions on building septic tanks!

NinjaK

RobAMerc wrote: »

Does anyone find this woman totally intolerable ?
I hear her spouting idealistic nonsense constantly always with a huge chip on her shoulder towards anyone that earns above the minimum wage.
She is also consistently making up figures to support her argument and seems to have little or know knowledge or at least ill conceived ideas.

I wonder how she sleeps at night when she earns 100k per annum and most of the people who voted for her are on the bread line ?

I like her.She gives an opposing viewpoint to the right wing middle class consensus that runs in Irish politics. Im guessing thats why she is hated so much on boards.

20Cent

I think she is great, if it wasn't for her and a handful of others there would be no opposition speaking out against the Gov. Didn't vote ULA but if FG/Lab continue behaving like FF then they could be contenders.

fliball123

NinjaK wrote: »

I like her.She gives an opposing viewpoint to the right wing middle class consensus that runs in Irish politics. Im guessing thats why she is hated so much on boards.

She isnt hatted..I dont like her demeaner when asked questions she keeps on the same track..She was shown for what the demo left are .. A party who have no credible idea on how to get us out of the mess..Dont get me wrong it would be great to have a wealth tax and get bilions off the guys with all the money but reality is that they would just move the wealth out of the county..this was her response when asked where she would get the money for her "the gov has to create jobs"

Same as her their are feck all on the dole creaming it...Now thats just head in the sand time

anbrutog

NinjaK wrote: »

I like her.She gives an opposing viewpoint to the right wing middle class consensus that runs in Irish politics. Im guessing thats why she is hated so much on boards.

Holy Jebus. A reprehensible piece of pond life like Barry Cowen and Clare Daly both appear on a show and all the talk is about Clare Daly.

Now, first of all , I'm not a fan of hers and certainly dont agree with everything she says.

But dear Lord , get some perspective folks.

irishh_bob

the bolt wrote: »

i would much prefer someone like her who has moral backbone and is honest than some of the main stream politicans who say whatever they think people want to hear.might not agree with her allways but at least you she not in it for brown envelops.

Your confusing shrill self righteousness with moral backbone

fliball123

anbrutog wrote: »

Holy Jebus. A reprehensible piece of pond life like Barry Cowen and Clare Daly both appear on a show and all the talk is about Clare Daly.

Now, first of all , I'm not a fan of hers and certainly dont agree with everything she says.

But dear Lord , get some perspective folks.

I aggree that Cowen was not much better.....and his handling of VBs question as to his bros pension was cringing.....It was well there is nothing that can be done...Tell that to the banking lads who had a 99% tax on their bonuses a few years ago..Kenny must tackle this and increase taxes paid on Public sector pensions and not on the contribution side but on the payment side...and if done in a scaled system ala

anything over 20k 5% more
anything over 40k 10% more
anything over 60k 20% more
anything over 80k 40% more
anything over 100k 80% more
anything over 150k 90% more

this will bring the likes of ahearn and biffo back into the Ireland that they created its time these fcuks shared the pain..Do the right thing Enda

Sleepy

NinjaK wrote: »

I like her.She gives an opposing viewpoint to the right wing middle class consensus that runs in Irish politics. Im guessing thats why she is hated so much on boards.

There's a right wing, middle class consensus running Irish politics?

Since when?

Have we a balanced budget? A flexible, non-unionised, public sector earning realistic wages? Affordable welfare rates?

Or are the middle class still paying most of the taxes towards a bloated public sector, overly generous welfare rates and interest on our vast over-spending?

fliball123

Sleepy wrote: »

There's a right wing, middle class consensus running Irish politics?

Since when?

Have we a balanced budget? A flexible, non-unionised, public sector earning realistic wages? Affordable welfare rates?

Or are the middle class still paying most of the taxes towards a bloated public sector, overly generous welfare rates and interest on our vast over-spending?

Hit the nail on the head sleepy the ones being slapped with the majority of this bill are the middle earning families...No other sector in society has taken more pain and yet they will target the same people again in the next budget

murphaph

NinjaK wrote: »

I like her.She gives an opposing viewpoint to the right wing middle class consensus that runs in Irish politics. Im guessing thats why she is hated so much on boards.

Are you for real? A decade of populist FF and now what looks like more of the same from FG/LAB.

If Ireland was being run by the real middle classes I can guarantee you welfare and PS rates of pay wouldn't be so high and there'd be no such thing as a government job for life!

Look around you. The government is bending over backwards to maintain pay and conditions of unionised public sector workers and social welfare recipients.

BlaasForRafa

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Don't forget her plan to spend borrow billions on building septic tanks!

Oh aye, she seems to be absolutely fixated on septic tanks and how they're going to save the country.

She was asked by Vinny B last night how much money her wealth tax would net and she went "ah ah 2 billion" and when pressed by Vinny that she was just plucking the figure from thin air she couldn't answer. She came off looking like a bit of a thicko tbh.

murphaph

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Oh aye, she seems to be absolutely fixated on septic tanks and how they're going to save the country.

She was asked by Vinny B last night how much money her wealth tax would net and she went "ah ah 2 billion" and when pressed by Vinny that she was just plucking the figure from thin air she couldn't answer. She came off looking like a bit of a thicko tbh.

Wonder where she plans to get the other 10.6bn from anyway, seeing as she only ever seems to mention this wealth tax when asked about possible revenue streams to fund her "plans".

If Clare Daly & Co. were actually running the show, things would rapidly deteriorate, even faster than at present.

RobAMerc

Dirk Gently wrote: »

It appears you two have something in common so.

Ok, I was wrong about that - but the difference is I a not consistently wrong and I dont go on telly spouting horse sh1te proposals to save the country with incorrect figures that are torn apart by any right minded economist. Constantin Gurdgiev, Moore McDowell and now Matt Cooper have rubbished her "ideas" as ill concived nonsense showing her complete lack of understanding - she is playing to an audience, it may be the voice of dissent but it's still to a specific audience !

Uriel. wrote: »

??

She does the same. Proclaims all these wonderful socialist ideas and how things should be done because its popular with the unthinking voter who's concerns only stretch to them and their family, without heed for the bigger picture.

Ireland can be described as being on a downhill slope right now, no doubt, but if we implemented her bullsh1t "policies" we'd remain on the down ward slope but this time we'd have a steam engine strapped to us ensuring a free fall descent.

Anyone with any sense of initiative and entrepreneurialship would be gone under her policies, so would all the multinationals, all the while protecting trade unionism and ensuring that those people in companies whose jobs have disappeared are kept on and paid

Couldn't have put it better myself - literally !

NinjaK wrote: »

I like her.She gives an opposing viewpoint to the right wing middle class consensus that runs in Irish politics.

I am all for opposing view points - but she is political equivalent of Dunphy and Hooke - will oppose for opposition sake in the face of rational educated thought.

goalscoringhero

fliball123 wrote: »

She was on Vinny B doing this exact thing..spouting that she doesnt know anyone who is screwing the system..the dizzy bint..they are hardly going to go up to her Hi Claire I am screwing it over..I know 3 / 4 people screwing it and I would bet everyone on this board knows at least one person screwing it...

Your attempt at quantification is a function of how many people you know, so your number could be quite high or very low, if you get me...

I personally don't know anyone who is screwing the system.

Dr Galen

By all means feel free to criticise Ms Daly's policies and views, but lets have no more of this cheap and petty namecalling nonsense.

Either make your point in a reasonable and adult fashion, or find somewhere else to make it

Cheers

DrG

irishh_bob

murphaph wrote: »

Are you for real? A decade of populist FF and now what looks like more of the same from FG/LAB.

If Ireland was being run by the real middle classes I can guarantee you welfare and PS rates of pay wouldn't be so high and there'd be no such thing as a government job for life!

Look around you. The government is bending over backwards to maintain pay and conditions of unionised public sector workers and social welfare recipients.

just shows you how our liberal media have so utterly conditioned the thinking of so many of our population , the hated middle class are seen as the cow which should never go dry regardless of how little corn is left

irishh_bob

RobAMerc wrote: »

Ok, I was wrong about that - but the difference is I a not consistently wrong and I dont go on telly spouting horse sh1te proposals to save the country with incorrect figures that are torn apart by any right minded economist. Constantin Gurdgiev, Moore McDowell and now Matt Cooper have rubbished her "ideas" as ill concived nonsense showing her complete lack of understanding - she is playing to an audience, it may be the voice of dissent but it's still to a specific audience !

Couldn't have put it better myself - literally !



I am all for opposing view points - but she is political equivalent of Dunphy and Hooke - will oppose for opposition sake in the face of rational educated thought.

im not sure daly is playing to an audience , sinn fein certainly are but i think daly and certainly higgins are true believers

fliball123

goalscoringhero wrote: »

Your attempt at quantification is a function of how many people you know, so your number could be quite high or very low, if you get me...

I personally don't know anyone who is screwing the system.

Sorry well how much thus far has been saved on welfare fraud...Answer 345 million in 7 months according to the bellow!
http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Press/PressReleases/2011/Pages/pr290811.aspx


Hardly a small sum ...so that must be at least in the 5 digits figure of people frauding the dole ... and thats only the ones that have been caught

psychward

Hi Chi Min or Kim Il yong or jung il (or whatever the dudes name is ) could have ran the country for the last ten years and we'd still have less debt than we have now and at least we'd have Olympic gold medals for synchronised marching With that perspective in mind I will reserve my hate for those who steered the economy off a cliff while stuffing their pockets with taxpayers money instead of the new faces such as Clare regardless of her political beliefs which is something else.

nesf

irishh_bob wrote: »

im not sure daly is playing to an audience , sinn fein certainly are but i think daly and certainly higgins are true believers

Yeah, I'd agree with this. And scarier for them being so too.

Good loser

There was a 1% wealth tax in Ireland in the late 70's early 80's. It took years to get going and, I think, raised about £5m -£7m per annum.

I believe there is a 0.75% wealth tax in France that makes €0.7bn per annum.

I'd like to see her asked what % she proposes and when she expects the first billion in. She talks as if she could have it in by Christmas.

Strange for a so called socialist to oppose a property tax.

Wonder have they an IQ test for the Socialist Party?

Lockstep

As an aside on Daly's income, Socialist Party candidates take the AIW and donate the rest to the party and what they deem to be worthy causes.

Not a SP fan but just pointing that out.

Permabear

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Elmer Blooker

mikemac wrote: »

A real socialist, always miserable.

Yeah these bloody socialists! Remember how they moaned and groaned during the boom years about a FF "golden circle" the Galway races tent, dodgy planning, cowboy builders with politicians in their pockets, bankers screwing the country etc, etc.
Bunch of gobs****s.:D

murphaph

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Yeah these bloody socialists! Remember how they moaned and groaned during the boom years about a FF "golden circle" the Galway races tent, dodgy planning, cowboy builders with politicians in their pockets, bankers screwing the country etc, etc.
Bunch of gobs****s.:D

Labour had (have?) their equivalent of the Golden Circle etc. It's called the unionised workforce (almost exclusively public sector) who Labour will defend to the last, even implementing welfare cuts before they dare cut their own Gold Circle.

As for bad planning: show me any party except the Greens that made a real issue of planning. Show me a party in which no councillor has voted to rezone land inappropriately.

Also, David Begg (chief socialist of Ireland if we are to believe the bullsh!t) still has his 6 figure salary and Merc and was sitting on the feckin board of the Central Bank-socialists did really well for us alright.

We either have extreme left wingers like Daly and Higgins who simply couldn't hope to fund their crazy plans or we have champagne socialists like Begg and Gilmore. I would actually like a few pragmatic socialists or social democrats to vote for in Ireland. Most other countries' socialists are a lot more useful than ours.

nesf

murphaph wrote: »

Show me a party in which no councillor has voted to rezone land inappropriately.

I think the Greens have a pretty good reputation here. Can't remember about SF. Lab, FG and FF have covered themselves in crap on this issue.

anymore

Well whatever her present salary, I would be prepared to give this novice a degree of latitude - after all she had no input into the level of salary for TDs. Now consider what a venerable veteran Socialist said :

"....I am most attracted to the concept of the social floor. We regularly insult language by saying we live in a Republic. We do not. If we had any version of citizenship, there would be a social floor for health and housing for example, a threshold below which no citizen would be allowed to fall.
"Those who vote to reduce the minimum wage are saying that the people who are dependent on it are of less importance than others in society. As a Republican and as a socialist, I condemn that attitude."
http://www.labour.ie/blog/2010/12/17/dil-debate-on-reducing-the-minimum-wage/
This venerable socialist has already accumulated 3 extravagant PS pensions and now is earning € 250,000 a year, plus car and driver plus use of a mansion with staff. He is of course President Higgins.

So I would say that Mz Daly is entitled to be given the benefit of the doubt a few years before she so harshly judged. There are other ' Socialists' whose record is far more deserving of critical analysis.

swordofislam

anymore wrote: »

"....I am most attracted to the concept of the social floor. We regularly insult language by saying we live in a Republic. We do not. If we had any version of citizenship, there would be a social floor for health and housing for example, a threshold below which no citizen would be allowed to fall.
"Those who vote to reduce the minimum wage are saying that the people who are dependent on it are of less importance than others in society. As a Republican and as a socialist, I condemn that attitude."
http://www.labour.ie/blog/2010/12/17/dil-debate-on-reducing-the-minimum-wage/
This venerable socialist has already accumulated 3 extravagant PS pensions and now is earning € 250,000 a year, plus car and driver plus use of a mansion with staff. He is of course President Higgins.

What is the point that you are trying to make?

anymore wrote: »

So I would say that Mz Daly is entitled to be given the benefit of the doubt a few years before she so harshly judged. There are other ' Spocialists' whose record is far more deserving of critical analysis.

What is a spocialist?

anymore

swordofislam wrote: »

What is the point that you are trying to make?





What is a spocialist?

Does anyone find this woman totally intolerable ?
I hear her spouting idealistic nonsense constantly always with a huge chip on her shoulder towards anyone that earns above the minimum wage.
She is also consistently making up figures to support her argument and seems to have little or know knowledge or at least ill conceived ideas.

I wonder how she sleeps at night when she earns 100k per annum and most of the people who voted for her are on the bread line ?

The point I am making is that it is a bit harsh to be so critical of a novice TD for ' spouting idealisitic nonsense' when we have so handsomely rewarded this ' idealisitic nonsense' so very recently

BOZG

fliball123 wrote: »

Sorry well how much thus far has been saved on welfare fraud...Answer 345 million in 7 months according to the bellow!
http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Press/PressReleases/2011/Pages/pr290811.aspx


Hardly a small sum ...so that must be at least in the 5 digits figure of people frauding the dole ... and thats only the ones that have been caught

Nothing like adding a little spice to your press releases and your figures to suit your agenda.

To begin with, the figure for €345 million above is in control savings, not actual savings.

Controls savings are basically savings from the Department double checking their figures as in, Johnny claims for A, Department assess claim and rules that Johnny is not eligible. As a result, the Department saves €15,000 per annum by introducing "controls" preventing "fraud". The figures also automatically assume that anyone who's not entitled to X but is currently in receipt of X or is trying apply for X is committing or attempting to commit fraud where in many cases, it could be due to an administrative error or the person is applying to see if they're entitled or mistakenly believe they are entitled.

According to economist Michael Taft, only Social Welfare actually use these figures publicly as they're not considered to be accurate whatsoever, relying on pure speculation and manipulation. For example, does the "over seven months" relate to saving €345 million between January and July (and €600 million in a year) or does it mean that this control programme took place over seven months and that the €345 million figures constitutes speculative savings over the next 5 years?

The actual figures for SW fraud, and fraud as in, "I'm consciously conning the dole", are much smaller (€26 million in 2010) and that as a percentage of over-payments, they are declining.

Is mise le key

Just want to clarify, she takes the average wage from the salary she earns & returns the remainder to the party she is elected for, to fund campaigns for the various issues people voted her in for.

Seems fair to her voters, no?

Also, if you dont find leo, enda, lucinda & co's insincere idealistic nonsense about how everything will be grand as long as we keep on trucking with the EU more irritating than someone who pulls no punches & doesnt think this is all a bit of craic & a laugh, then you should be worried about your own priorities.

Even if you dont aggree with anything the Socialist party stand for, the smug condecending tone from FG would be more irritating to me than an opposition TD, did any of you hear leo on newstalk last week about the cencelation of the metro!!!!!

What an arrogant condecending horrible human being we have in cabinet.

fliball123

BOZG wrote: »

Nothing like adding a little spice to your press releases and your figures to suit your agenda.

To begin with, the figure for €345 million above is in control savings, not actual savings.

Controls savings are basically savings from the Department double checking their figures as in, Johnny claims for A, Department assess claim and rules that Johnny is not eligible. As a result, the Department saves €15,000 per annum by introducing "controls" preventing "fraud". The figures also automatically assume that anyone who's not entitled to X but is currently in receipt of X or is trying apply for X is committing or attempting to commit fraud where in many cases, it could be due to an administrative error or the person is applying to see if they're entitled or mistakenly believe they are entitled.

According to economist Michael Taft, only Social Welfare actually use these figures publicly as they're not considered to be accurate whatsoever, relying on pure speculation and manipulation. For example, does the "over seven months" relate to saving €345 million between January and July (and €600 million in a year) or does it mean that this control programme took place over seven months and that the €345 million figures constitutes speculative savings over the next 5 years?

The actual figures for SW fraud, and fraud as in, "I'm consciously conning the dole", are much smaller (€26 million in 2010) and that as a percentage of over-payments, they are declining.

Right I will give you that..have they not said that they will save over 600milllion over next year or 2 on this fraud ?? Proof will be in the pudding as they say