Gibraltar - British or Spanish?

laoch na mona

geographically spanish but if they want to be british let them

Sunnyisland

mattjack wrote: »

Though I wonder are they Spanish or British apes ?

Maybe spaish :)

laoch na mona

soterpisc wrote: »

YAWN................slow day in boards.ie when a Poll in Gibraltar appears on boards.ie Seems like the Sinn Fein mcGuiness Campaign team have time on their hands now!.

less of that sot of thing:pac:

nice_very

where do i go from here wrote: »

Are Ceuta and Melilla Spanish or Moroccan?

Spanish run Moroccan territory, the only reason that would convince me to think about leaving things the way they are.. Imagine Spain having total control over access to the Med sea, bad idea with the PP on the way back to power.

Jimoslimos

Is there free movement of peoples between Spain and Gibraltar as there is with Spain and the UK (and all other EU states)? If so what's stopping a few hundred thousand Spainards flooding the border.

If not they can't truly call themselves British since they're not subject to the same immigration and border control laws. A la carte Britishness methinks.

mike65

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKjudF68hxc

R P McMurphy

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Is there free movement of peoples between Spain and Gibraltar as there is with Spain and the UK (and all other EU states)? If so what's stopping a few hundred thousand Spainards flooding the border.

If not they can't truly call themselves British since they're not subject to the same immigration and border control laws. A la carte Britishness methinks.

You need your passport to enter, customs are pretty strict there as well

LordSutch

Gibraltar is as British as Brighton rock, and it will remain British until the majority of people living there wish otherwise.

lorrim

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Is there free movement of peoples between Spain and Gibraltar as there is with Spain and the UK (and all other EU states)? If so what's stopping a few hundred thousand Spainards flooding the border.

If not they can't truly call themselves British since they're not subject to the same immigration and border control laws. A la carte Britishness methinks.

There is border control with passport checks by both spanish and gibraltarian police.

I work in gib, live in la linea- it ain't as bad as previous posts are making out.

La Linea doesn't have the social problems it had in the past, the new mayor is making a good attempt to solve the disasters left by the previous idiot

mike65

The border has been open since 1985

mattjack

lorrim wrote: »

There is border control with passport checks by both spanish and gibraltarian police.

I work in gib, live in la linea- it ain't as bad as previous posts are making out.

La Linea doesn't have the social problems it had in the past, the new mayor is making a good attempt to solve the disasters left by the previous idiot

Now you just ruined a perfectly good thread, by telling the truth.

Jimoslimos

LordSutch wrote: »

Gibraltar is as British as Brighton rock, and it will remain British until the majority of people living there wish otherwise.

It's British because thousands of people from the UK settled there - if thousands of people from Spain decided to upsticks and move there why shouldn't it be Spanish. My question is why shouldn't they have that right since many British people have no restictions on settling in Spain?

R P McMurphy

lorrim wrote: »

There is border control with passport checks by both spanish and gibraltarian police.

I work in gib, live in la linea- it ain't as bad as previous posts are making out.

La Linea doesn't have the social problems it had in the past, the new mayor is making a good attempt to solve the disasters left by the previous idiot

It must have cleaned up a lot in the last two years then because it was a pretty horrific place

Sunnyisland

I have been there many a time and when crossing back into mainland spain it was always spanish police/customs who were holding people up with there checks and not a smile out of any of them,This was back in the early 90,s maybe it has changed ?

Tiocfaidh Armani

So a load of Spaniards come and settle of an island off England and claim it as Spanish? No they can't, so a bit like the Falklands, only the Brits who would so arrogant to claim little pieces thousands of miles from their shore as their own.

mike65

Jimoslimos wrote: »

It's British because thousands of people from the UK settled there - if thousands of people from Spain decided to upsticks and move there why shouldn't it be Spanish. My question is why shouldn't they have that right since many British people have no restictions on settling in Spain?

How do you know they haven't got the right? What makes you think that the average Spaniard is just dying to cross the border and buy a flat?

dfx-

It can be whatever it wants...but whatever it is, it was a very stange place when I went there about 10 years ago.

Jimoslimos

mike65 wrote: »

How do you know they haven't got the right? What makes you think that the average Spaniard is just dying to cross the border and buy a flat?

I assume there is no great interest from mainland Spainards to live there, but on the other hand there isn't a great interest from mainland Brits to relocate also. I certainly don't see the people as 'Spanish' but they're about as British as say the Australians are - just the Aussies are a little more comfortable about moving away from the idea of being a colonial outpost.

LordSutch

Jimoslimos wrote: »

It's British because thousands of people from the UK settled there - if thousands of people from Spain decided to upsticks and move there why shouldn't it be Spanish. My question is why shouldn't they have that right since many British people have no restictions on settling in Spain?

Well as you should know, this has all been bashed out over centuries, with the Spanish, Portuguese, British/Irish, French & Dutch carving up underdeveloped countries all over the Globe! take the Canaries (Spanish) for example which lay off the coast of Morocco, or the Dutch East Indies, or the Falkland islands, The Philippines (former Spanish colony), Angola in Africa was a Portuguise colony until 1975. What about French Guiana?

There are so many examples all over the globe.

charlemont

British. All the people who live there are happy with the status quo.

gurramok

Spanish, stolen from Spain. Resettled with the help of like minded British people to keep it British. Sounds familiar like NI.

Sunnyisland

LordSutch wrote: »

Well as you should know, this has all been bashed out over centuries, with the Spanish, Portuguese, British/Irish, French & Dutch carving up underdeveloped countries all over the Globe! take the Canaries (Spanish) for example which lay off the coast of Morocco, or the Dutch East Indies, or the Falkland islands, The Philippines (former Spanish colony), Angola in Africa was a Portuguise colony until 1975. What about French Guiana?

There are so many examples all over the globe.

When did Ireland or Irish carv up the world ?

mike65

Jimoslimos wrote: »

I assume there is no great interest from mainland Spainards to live there, but on the other hand there isn't a great interest from mainland Brits to relocate also. I certainly don't see the people as 'Spanish' but they're about as British as say the Australians are - just the Aussies are a little more comfortable about moving away from the idea of being a colonial outpost.

That's fair enough - they are Gilbratarian. The ethnic make up of the population is interesting. 27% names British, 20% name Italian, 10% names Portuguese, French, Indian, Jews, Maltese, Andalusian Spanish (the de-facto language)

Jimoslimos

LordSutch wrote: »

Well as you should know, this has all been bashed out over centuries, with the Spanish, Portuguese, British/Irish, French & Dutch carving up underdeveloped countries all over the Globe! take the Canaries (Spanish) for example which lay off the coast of Morocco, or the Dutch East Indies, or the Falkland islands, The Philippines (former Spanish colony), Angola in Africa was a Portuguise colony until 1975. What about French Guiana?

There are so many examples all over the globe.

Indeed, one of the defining factors of the ones that remain are that they are all very small in size/population - thereby requiring a protectorate state for survival. Calling themselves 'British' is only a way of asserting that they're not Spanish - to me they're no more British than Americans (US), Canadians, Aussies or Kiwis.

Fratton Fred

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

So a load of Spaniards come and settle of an island off England and claim it as Spanish? No they can't, so a bit like the Falklands, only the Brits who would so arrogant to claim little pieces thousands of miles from their shore as their own.

Yeah, cause the Spanish, French, Dutch and Portuguese would never do that would they?

pragmatic1

Its Spanish.

mike65

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Indeed, one of the defining factors of the ones that remain are that they are all very small in size/population - thereby requiring a protectorate state for survival. Calling themselves 'British' is only a way of asserting that they're not Spanish - to me they're no more British than Americans (US), Canadians, Aussies or Kiwis.

They are what they think they are, like Norn Iron Unionists.

WolfForager

50% of the poll for Spanish. Sometimes this country annoys me.

Fratton Fred

This vote will be predictable.

All the usual Brit haters will vote Spanish (you could put outer mongolian or British and they would vote outer mongolian tbh) and everyone else will vote British.

Sunnyisland

WolfForager wrote: »

50% of the poll for Spanish. Sometimes this country annoys me.

Explain please, just asking