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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    source wrote: »
    You need to familiarise yourself with the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution, which was signed into law on 05/01/73:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland
    The Fifth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland removed from the constitution a controversial reference to the "special position" of the Roman Catholic Church as well as recognition of certain other named religious denominations. It was effected by the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution Act, 1972 which was approved by referendum on 7 December 1972 and signed into law on 5 January 1973.
    Contents

    Changes to the text

    Deletion of the entirety of Article 44.1.2:

    The State recognises the special position of the Holy Catholic Apostolic and Roman Church as the guardian of the Faith professed by the great majority of the citizens.

    Deletion of the entirety of Article 44.1.3:

    The State also recognises the Church of Ireland, the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, the Methodist Church in Ireland, the Religious Society of Friends in Ireland, as well as the Jewish Congregations and the other religious denominations existing in Ireland at the date of the coming into operation of this Constitution.

    (Article 44.1.1 correspondingly renumbered as Article 44.1)

    [edit] Contemporary viewpoint

    In drafting the Irish constitution in 1936 and 1937, Éamon de Valera and his advisers chose to reflect what had been a contemporary willingness by constitution drafters and lawmakers in Europe to mention and in some ways recognise religion in explicit detail. This contrasted with many 1920s constitutions, notably the Irish Free State Constitution of 1922, which, following the secularism of the initial period following the First World War, simply prohibited any discrimination based on religion or avoided religious issues entirely.

    De Valera, his advisers (Fr. John Charles McQuaid, the future Archbishop of Dublin), and the men who put words to de Valera's concepts for the constitution (John Hearne and Mícheál Ó Gríobhtha) faced conflicting demands in his drafting of the article on religion.

    The demand from conservative Roman Catholics that Catholicism be established as the state religion of Ireland;

    Protestants' fears of discrimination.

    Prevailing attitudes of anti-semitism.

    The fact that most people in Ireland belonged to some religion, and that the education system and to a lesser extent the health system were denominational in structure, with Roman Catholicism, the Church of Ireland, the Presbyterian Church, the Methodist Church, the Jewish community and others running their own schools and non-governmental agencies.

    De Valera's solution was Article 44. In contemporary terms, it marked a defeat for conservative Catholics, and Pope Pius XI explicitly withheld his approval from it:

    Catholicism was not made the state church.

    Catholicism was given an undefined "special position" on the basis of being the church of the majority. This was not consistent with the stance of pre-Vatican II Catholicism, which claimed the right to legal and political influence on the basis of the claimed objective truth of its teachings rather than the size of its following.

    Other religions were named and recognised on a lower level. The use of the Church of Ireland's official name antagonised conservative Catholics, who saw Catholicism as being the proper and rightful "church of Ireland".

    The Jewish community in Ireland was also given recognition. The explicit granting of a right to exist to the Jewish faith in Ireland marked a significant difference to the legal approach to Jewish rights in other European states, though contemporary Irish society was far from free of anti-semitism.

    Though perceived in retrospect as a sectarian article, Article 44 was praised in 1937 by leaders of Irish Protestant churches (notably the Church of Ireland Archbishop of Dublin) and by Jewish groups. Conservative Catholics condemned it as "liberal".

    When the contents of Article 44 were put to Pope Pius XI by Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII), the pope stated in diplomatic language: "We do not approve, nor do we not disapprove - we will remain silent". It was said that the Vatican was privately more appreciative of the constitution, and Pius XII later praised it.[1]
    [edit] Viewpoint in the 1970s

    By 1972 an article once condemned by critics as liberal and indeed by some as offensive to Catholicism, had come to be seen as out of place, dated, and potentially discriminatory to Protestants. The "special position" of the Catholic Church had granted to that church, albeit in an undefined manner, was a special status that was out of step with post-Vatican II Catholic thinking on the relationships between the churches. The Protestant churches, though they had declined in adherents, were more outspoken and willing to express their unhappiness than they had been in the Ireland of the 1920s and 1930s, when many were fearful that criticism of the Irish state would be seen as criticism of Irish independence and so implicitly a preference for the British regime that had ruled Ireland before 1922.

    In addition, in the rapprochement between Northern Ireland and what was now known as the Republic of Ireland, many southerners perceived the "special position" as a barrier between a north-south relationship and even a potential source of discrimination against minorities. In addition the explicit recognition of certain denominations was seen as unnecessary because of the provisions Article 44.2 which contains guarantees of freedom of worship and against religious discrimination. Though the changes shown above are those made to the English language version of the constitution, constitutionally it is the Irish text that takes precedence.

    This Fifth Amendment was introduced by the Fianna Fáil government of Jack Lynch and supported by every other major political party. The Catholic Church did not voice any objection to the amendment but it was opposed by some conservative Catholics. Some leading members of the Church of Ireland and the Jewish Community said during the campaign that while they appreciated the Article's recognition of their existence (and in the case of the Jewish Community, their right to exist, in contrast to anti-Jewish laws in other states) in 1937, it was no longer needed in the 1970s and had lost its usefulness.

    The referendum on the amendment occurred on the same day as the referendum on the Fourth Amendment which lowered the voting age to eighteen. The Fifth Amendment was approved by 721,003 (84.4%) in favour and 133,430 (15.6%) against.

    Having completed its passage through the Oireachtas and been adopted by the people, it was enacted by being signed into constitutional law by the President of Ireland, the man who had drafted the original article, Éamon de Valera.

    I may have missed it as I am reading on a phone, but does it recognise the non-religious?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭selfrep


    marketty wrote: »
    Wow

    I hear they eat their first born too

    unless you have untenable proof there is not a God, wont be a second coming and the bible is a load of rubbish and i said untenable then i would suggest you start paying attention to this pivotal unique moment in irish and world history.

    Details of our new flag, details of the kingdom of Ireland based on 32 counties and details or our new currency available at this link http://stores.lulu.com/2012 free of charge the name of the file you need is "KINGDOM OF IRELAND" and when you read the details of our new flag, currency and Kingdom you will eat humble pie......
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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Oh FFS. Do I move this to Conspiracy Theories or After Hours? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭selfrep


    So, apart from the babble at the end, the constitution recognises me as a citizen, despite not being Christian. Still don't where to stand on that, I live in theocratic constitutional democracy, according that that document. If the proportion of Christians in this country coutinues to fall, would you see a need to amend this, as it is clearly discriminatory against non-Christians? Is discrimination a Christian teaching?

    its not a question worth answering because the number of christians will be on the increase very very soon.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭selfrep


    source wrote: »
    You need to familiarise yourself with the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution, which was signed into law on 05/01/73:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland

    the removal of special mentions or favours towards the vatican doesnt change the fact we are christian nation whom believes in God and await a second coming, the vatican teachings nor beliefs override our constitution and besides the vatican is the whore of babylon from the book of revelation " Fallen Fallen, Babylon has Fallen"....good riddance to bad rubbish


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    RE: untenable proof

    1) There is no such thing as proof outside of mathematics, which itself is an abstraction.

    2) Since god/s are defined as supernatural, it is not possible for something existing in the natural world to test for the supernatural.

    As a test, could someone provide untenable proof that Thor does not exist. Cheers.

    Glad to have cleared that up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    Oh FFS. Do I move this to Conspiracy Theories or After Hours? :D

    AH! More fun!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,271 ✭✭✭source


    selfrep wrote: »
    unless you have untenable proof there is not a God, wont be a second coming and the bible is a load of rubbish and i said untenable then i would suggest you start paying attention to this pivotal unique moment in irish and world history.

    Details of our new flag, details of the kingdom of Ireland based on 32 counties and details or our new currency available at this link http://stores.lulu.com/2012 free of charge the name of the file you need is "KINGDOM OF IRELAND" and when you read the details of our new flag, currency and Kingdom you will eat humble pie......
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    Do you have untenable proof that there is a god?

    All any church can say is that you have to have faith and believe in a divine power.

    Bull plop.

    Bet you don't believe in the theory of evolution either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    selfrep wrote: »
    So, apart from the babble at the end, the constitution recognises me as a citizen, despite not being Christian. Still don't where to stand on that, I live in theocratic constitutional democracy, according that that document. If the proportion of Christians in this country coutinues to fall, would you see a need to amend this, as it is clearly discriminatory against non-Christians? Is discrimination a Christian teaching?

    its not a question worth answering because the number of christians will be on the increase very very soon.....

    Or because you can't answer it while maintaining interal consistency. I boxed you into that corner very nicely.

    :-)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭selfrep


    source wrote: »
    Do you have untenable proof that there is a god?

    All any church can say is that you have to have faith and believe in a divine power.

    Bull plop.

    Bet you don't believe in the theory of evolution either.

    wait for the ark of the covenent to be discovered under the hill of tara, why do you think tara is known as the seat of the high king of Ireland....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭selfrep


    Or because you can't answer it while maintaining interal consistency. I boxed you into that corner very nicely.

    :-)

    you didnt box me into any corner, the constitution will never be changed to ommit beliefs in God EVER and only those with the marking of the beast 666 deny God and his existence and his son and his sons second coming and they do their utmost to discredit anyone who highlights their darkness....furthermore the job of satan is to lead as many souls astray so that they are not prepared for the second coming.....with you sir he has won a victory with me he has lost.....and its you thats in a dark corner ......


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,271 ✭✭✭source


    selfrep wrote: »
    wait for the ark of the covenent to be discovered under the hill of tara, why do you think tara is known as the seat of the high king of Ireland....

    Because that's where it is believed in Irish mythology/history the high king was located??????

    What does the seat of the high king have to do with the ark of the covenant.............................Also, just as I thought, you have no evidence of the existence of the Gods.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    Is there a full moon by any chance?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,271 ✭✭✭source


    OP you do realise the bible, quoran, torah etc etc were all written by humans, who decided what stories were put in.

    Jesus was a living, breathing human being, I fully believe the person existed and that he was spreading a message of good will. But to say that he was a supernatural being is folly, and a thing that is better left to children's stories. I put much more weight behind science which can produce evidence as to the why's and when's of the universe.

    Sure wasn't the world supposed to end this year.....or was it last year???? Either way......we're having this conversation on the planet Earth. So EVIDENCE would lead me to believe that it didn't happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭selfrep


    source wrote: »
    Because that's where it is believed the high king was located??????

    What does the seat of the high king have to do with the ark of the covenant.............................Also, just as I thought, you have no evidence of the existence of a god or Gods.

    the prophet jeremiah was instructed by god to bring the Ark of the covenant to ireland along with a descendent of the family from King David to Ireland to marry an irish King and to have offspring so as to continue the royal blood line of David and bring us the messiah the second time...... this is all historical facts those whom disbelieve it dont want it to be true for fear they might be wrong....the fear of being wrong in people who dont believe in god is a fear they will do their utmost to avoid exists...... http://jahtruth.net/jere.htm


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭silja


    Op, since you keep refering to the bible... you do realise most of the conditions listed for the second coming have not been fullfilled?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭selfrep


    The
    Prophetic
    Book
    Of
    Kells
    800 AD

    The Monks of Columbkille were now faced with the biggest task of their life. They had to create a book and encode it with the secrets of Ireland, the details of the Second Coming. In 716 AD The Columbkille Monastery established in Iona accepted the Roman church date for Easter and used this in their teachings to predict the Second Coming.

    The Book of Kells, as its name suggests originates from a monastery in Kells, County Meath. It dates to around 800 AD though it was over 200 years in the making. It is a series of wonderful manuscripts and ancient prophecies regarding the future of Ireland. It is indeed the bible of Ireland and yet little attention is paid to it. It features the oldest Madonna and Child manuscript in the western world. When one sees the intricacy of the book it becomes quite clear that even back then they wished to capture our attention regarding the Gospel and Our Lady and namely that of the promise contained in the scriptures regarding the Second Coming. Foundation work for the book was also done in Iona, Scotland but it was taken to Kells for completion and safe keeping. It is the map of salvation for the world, a prediction that Ireland would be home to The Second Coming.

    Although damaged in various raids the book survived, thankfully and although misread and misunderstood many people are beginning to realise the importance of this sacred manuscript. This group of Monks who spent years creating this work of art were trying to tell us about the importance of The Madonna and Child both in Ireland and the world. Indeed The Madonna of Ireland and the Holy Family appeared in County Mayo in 1879 in an apparition cast in mysterious light to fifteen people in a prophetic vision predicting the Second Coming. Over the years however this apparition has been discounted by many as nonsense. Few believed that if indeed the apparition was true it would come true and fewer believed that Our Lady would once again return to The Emerald Isle to explain this mysterious appearance, after all lightning does not strike twice……….

    The Madonna and child manuscript in the book of Kells is a prophecy that Mary would come to Ireland and illuminate us. These monks wanted to make their work as illuminated as possible so as to draw our attention to the importance of certain aspects of the bible namely the Gospels and Mary because they knew as prophesised that one day Ireland would be the land of the Rising Son.

    461px-KellsFol007vMadonnaChild_V2.jpg

    What baffles Theologians most is the four bodies inside the piece of art. These four bodies are crouched inside small half circular troughs, burial chambers, like those of Newgrange. However only two of these troughs contain bodies the third is empty. The 4 Angels and The 4 Masters were vitally important. It is the first work of art that features Mary as both The Madonna with her Son and as one of The Archangels.

    Also baffling are the six men facing away from the Madonna and Child in disrespect. This a prophecy that Ireland would turn its back on The Madonna. Six men of course representing six thousand years, 4004 BC-2000AD, one man for each thousand years. Their backs are turned, when their least expecting it the Madonna and Child will show up.

    There was however a lot more they knew and which they encrypted into their manuscripts. In 1049 an unknown Irishman, Aaron of Cologne who was a Monk set about on fulfilling a mission. Having read the Book of Kells he headed to Krakow in Poland where he was consecrated a Bishop. The Irish were doing their part in the redemption of mankind even in 1049. Pope John Paul II himself was also a Bishop of Krakow.

    The monks used animal hairs and wove them intricately into several pages. These animal hairs however were not native to Ireland. Columbkille had received a vision via the Madonna of Ireland during which she entrusted him with some secrets. The Queen of Ireland, Our Lady of Tara revealed to Columbkille what was underneath The Holy Mount or Hill of Tara. His monks also used colours and paints that were not native to Europe. How the book came about in its era is a miracle in itself.

    Having learned the secrets of Tara, Columbkille in return secretly built tunnels that led underneath The Holy Mountain. From there they retrieved their tools to make the Book of Kells.

    So secret was their mission they had to travel from Meath to Scotland to pass on their findings to their fellow Monks.

    They received the details of The Second Coming from the Madonna of Ireland and were told it must remain a secret. “Our Lady of Light will watch over the land of Eire.” Throughout the book of Kells a number of recurring themes and prophecies are predicted about Ireland :

    The Second Coming will occur and will have something to do with a book. The Angels, The Son and the four Gospel writers all appear throughout holding a book. Throughout the folios there are also several scenes with mice and rats (pests) nibbling at the eucharist and running away with it in their mouth, this reflects the battle Jesus will have when he returns with his own priests, they are the mice and rats, the pests who ran off with their own version of events. Also depicted throught the pages are men pulling their hair out and tugging at each others beards. These men also depict the priests who will be tearing their own hair out when they realise the eucharist mistakes they made. Just as God enlightened prophets like Isaiah, Ezekiel and Malachi to warn the people of Israel about the first coming of the messiah, so too did he use Irish prophets and priests to prepare the people of Ireland for the second coming of his son.

    Certain elements of the Gospels are highly important and folio 33r shows the Tree of Life. Another folio depicts The Son as having a crown, thus predicting his victory and he is holding a book.

    460px-KellsFol032vChristEnthroned.jpg

    The crowned Saviour holding a book. When the Son returns he will fulfil this prophecy by writing a book which will contain the details about The Second Coming.

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    The manuscripts were prepared with great detail in order to prepare the Irish for The Second Coming in some way shape or form.


    In 1007 the Book of Kells was stolen, pages removed, pages that predicted the location and calculations pertaining to the Second Coming. It was retrieved two months later. The retrieved book however was no use without the missing manuscripts and the missing manuscripts no use without the book. The codes for the creation of mankind and for Judgement Day were now no longer secrets that could be passed on.

    When the book fell into Bishop Usshers hands he used it to calculate the date of creation some 600 years later. Without the lost pages however he was unable to predict the Judgement Day or Second Coming. When the Second Coming happens whomever it is will take comfort in knowing these monks predicted it.

    For 1,200 years The Catholic Church and Leading scholars whom have studied this book were all in agreement that the book contained two errors.
    1) The geanology of Jesus had one extra name inserted that differed from the Gospel of Luke. An extra mans name would bring us the Son of Man.
    2) Matthew 10:34 reads “I come not to bring peace but a sword” but the monks put the following phrase in “I come not only to bring peace but also joy”.

    When one sees the intricacy of this book it is clearly evident that these Monks were guided and these were not mistakes but prophecies about The Second Coming. The Messiah the second time around would be brought to us by one other person hence the extra name in the genealogy and when he does come he will bring both peace and joy to the world. He will be the son of a man. Let us hope when Trinity College; where the book now resides; eventually realise the importance of this prophetic manuscript they return it to its rightful home in Kells, County Meath.


    Upon his return the Son of Man will fulfil the Gospels and Book of Kells prophecies thus proving Ireland is the Kingdom of God. This will be his calling. The Vatican don’t hold this ancient prophecy about the Second Coming with any major regard thus showing they too will learn from the Son when he returns. If they choose to listen that is their own business.
    How I wish that someone would remember my words and record them in a book. JOB 19:23


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭selfrep


    silja wrote: »
    Op, since you keep refering to the bible... you do realise most of the conditions listed for the second coming have not been fullfilled?

    'THE SUN WILL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD, BEFORE THE GREAT AND GLORIOUS DAY OF THE LORD SHALL COME acts 2:2

    Eclipse June 2011 :
    lunar.jpg

    Isaiah 13:10 The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.
    Joel 2:31 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
    Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the distress of those days "'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'
    Acts 2:19 I will show wonders in the heaven above and signs on the earth below, blood and fire and billows of smoke.
    Acts 2:21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'

    I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, REV 6:12


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭selfrep


    The
    Prophecy
    Of
    Malachy
    1139

    Back to Ireland and The Archangel Mary was once again revealing herself in the Emerald Isle. This time with a prophecy to do with the Second Coming of her Son and that it would occur in Navan, County Meath.

    Flag of Meath - King upon a throne :
    detail

    Saint Malachy 1094 -1148

    There are few aware of this man’s existence let alone his prophetic visions. Over the years this has suited many people. Born in 1094 in Armagh, Ireland he was ordained a priest in 1119. Amongst the other titles he earned included Abbot of Bangor, Bishop of Connor and in 1132 he became Primate of Armagh. Before becoming Primate he had to purchase The Staff of Jesus from Niall of The 9 Hostages. Niall you see not only had The Staff but he also had come in contact with the missing manuscripts from The Book of Kells. Along with purchasing the staff, Malachy it is alleged also purchased some of the missing manuscripts.

    Malachy was noted for his meekness, humility, obedience, modesty, diligence and dedication to his studies. He had the gift of prophecy and was blessed by the Holy Spirit. One can only assume that if the Holy Spirit inspired his visions then the same Holy Spirit would ensure these prophetic visions would come true. Saint Malachy was the first Irish saint to be canonised by Rome. Malachy spent much time in France at a monastery run by St Bernard of Clairvaux. St Bernard became a doctor of the church and he also had a complete devotion to Our Lady. Ironically enough St Bernard died on August 20th 1153, one day before the feast day of Our Lady of Knock which of course occurred some 800 years later. This great Irish prophet foretold the day and time of his own death. His last words to St Bernard “Always have faith in the Madonna of Ireland.” Nostradamus would use his writings in his own prophecies. The Vatican had never experienced such a gifted prophet before so much so they did not know what to do with him. What do you do with a man that predicts the Second Coming?

    During visions with Our lady of Navan, Malachy was given various phrases that would be in some way shape or form associated with the Second Coming of the Son of God. Our Lady also told Malachy that one of the next 111 Popes would be associated with the return of the Son and Saviour. Pope Benedict XVI is the last in this line of Popes. Just like there were prophecies about the first coming of the messiah, God was providing the Irish people and the world with a prophecy about the second coming of the Son. There would be 111 Popes before The Second Coming after which St Peter whom was the first Pope would reign again during Judgement. In other words when the son returns he would chose someone just as he chose St Peter to be the rock upon which he would continue to feed his flock and build his new church.

    Gloriae Olivae
    His glory and ambition will lead to the offering of the peace Branch.
    De Labore Solis
    The worker of The Sun (Son), of the eclipse of the Sun, Unique Childbirth. (Immaculate Conception)
    De Medietate Lunae
    Midpoint of the month, half moon.
    Flos Florum
    He will be youthful and blossom like a flower.

    Pastor Angelicus
    The shepherd will belong to the Angels.
    Fides Intrepida
    He will be loyal and undaunted.
    Religio Depopulata
    The ravaged will be in awe.
    Ignis Ardens
    With a glow of passion he will ignite a bright glowing flame.
    Lumen in Coelo
    Light of the world.
    Crux de Cruce
    Tormented and crucified. Cross from a Cross
    Aquila Rapax
    Grasp the silver eagle on the pole.
    Peregrinus Apostolicus
    A Pilgrim Pope.
    De Bona Religione
    Worshipping of a brave woman.
    Bellua Insatiabilis
    Insatiable beast (the battle against)
    Poenitentia Gloriosa
    Famous Penance
    Rastrum in Porta
    He will bring the people to the entrance gates
    De Flumine Magno
    A large Wave/flood
    Sydus Olorum
    New star in a constellation, evangelisation.
    Jucunditas Crucis
    Charming, remaining pleasant during crucifixion.
    In Tribulatione Pacis
    In the midst of distress comes Peace and Harmony.
    Gens Perversa
    Overthrow evil corruption of a nation.
    De Rore Coeli
    Rose Mary, Dew of Heaven
    Axis in Medietate Signi
    A sign from heaven, pole/axis.
    Aesculapii Pharmacum
    Poisonous Snake
    De fide Petri
    Faith of Peter
    Hyacinthus Medicorum
    Fourth finger of the hand, blue cloth/sash
    De Craticula Politiana
    Iron Curtain, Polish, Grid Iron
    Rosa Composita
    Rose Collector (through Rosary)
    Draco Depressus
    Crushing of the dragon, evil.
    Ex Undarum Benedictione
    A consecrated blessing/wave
    Signum Ostiense
    Image/statue is the doorway
    Avis Ostiensis
    The bird at the doorway.
    Comes Laurentius
    A follower, Adorning a laurel crown
    Canonicus de Latere
    Constructor of a cathedral, brickwork by a Canon.
    Comes Signatus
    Designate and put in order.
    De Schola Exiet
    Visible as a follower
    Ensis Laurentii
    With sword crowned with laurel.
    Sus in Cribro
    Sift through the pigs.
    Lux in Ostio
    A light to the doorway, entrance of the underworld.
    Ex Tetro Carcere
    Ugly Traps, released from prison.
    Via Transtiberina
    Journey beyond Tiber
    Inimicus Expulsus
    Enemy expelled
    Ex Castro Tiberis
    From the fort on the Tiber. As in, from The Vatican.

    The prophecy was hand delivered to the Pope by Malachy and from there we are told it went straight to the archives and very little was spoken about it. 400 years later it was stumbled upon and released in the public domain. What was not released was that it was a prophecy about one Pope that would preceed the second coming. Rumours began to surface that it was a prophecy about the next 111 popes and since then that is how the story was allowed to develop.

    We must once again remember the words of the famous Irish Prophet St. Columbkille “The clergy shall be led into error, by the misinterpretation of their readings.”


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭selfrep


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    The map of the second coming from israel to Ireland
    Ireland 588 A.D.
    The map of The Second Coming


    Skellig Michael – Great Rock of Michael.
    It is located eight miles off the tip of the Iveragh Peninsula off the coast of Kerry in Ireland and spans 44 acres. Few have been there, fewer know of its existence. It is the most sacred Christian foundation site in Europe where many a Saint spent time in idle prayer and received the powers to spread the word of God namely that of the Second Coming of the son of man. It was the focal point to train monks and pass on the secrets of Ireland to them. It was eternally blessed as was Ireland by The Madonna of Ireland and the Archangel Michael.

    Using a map one can trace a distinct line of pilgrimage sites that pass through France, Italy, Greece and end at Mount Carmel in the Palestine. This became known as the St Michael Axis and what is startling is that the axis passes through some of the worlds other famous sites dedicated to the Archangel Saint Michael.

    It is a steep rocky island that is accessed by sea. It stands 230 meters high and sitting almost atop of it is an ancient Irish Christian Monastery that can be traced back to 588 A.D. To access it one must climb 600 stone steps and standing at 714 feet above sea level one can stand in awe looking at this ancient settlement. There are 6 beehive huts, 2 oratories and some small terraces. One must ask oneself how the raw materials and manpower arrived in this remote location; its existence is a miracle in itself. The site was favoured by Hermits and Monks and the blessings of St Michael, the Patron Saint of the Island was received by all visitors. It was inhabited for 600 years before the monks moved to a monastery on the mainland but continued to be visited by pilgrims. It survived many raids and attacks remaining virtually unscathed almost as if protected as sacred ground.

    The slate huts look round from the outside but inside they are rectangular and have basic shelving and sleeping platforms. The terraces were used as small vegetable patches which provided food. Fish and eggs were also the stable diet. There are three wells on the islet each was said to have their own healing properties. On the Southern most peak of the Island lies an oratory which is inaccessible today.

    It is said to be the final battle ground of good versus evil in Ireland and is the point where St Patrick finally declared that he had rid Ireland of the snakes (evil). St Michael indeed is always seen with a sword battling the forces of evil.

    Today it is a UNESCO World Heritage Site and a nature reserve. It is exceptionally preserved and is a classic example of just how sparce a life these future missionaries adapted to in order to preserve and live their lives according to the word of God.

    It became the training ground for those taking part in the redemption of mankind. A similar axis exists in the UK which ends around Walsingham. Many people believe the axis of Saint Michael is a map linking the first coming of the messiah to the Mount Carmel area and his second coming to Ireland. Many more would say this is nonsense but you should have nothing to do with them. One of God’s most revered Angels does not leave a distinct line across a portion of the world unless he has very good reason to. Again there are simply no coincidences in Providence. The powers these Angels possess come from the creator and to doubt their power is to doubt the creators power.... Be totally on your guard then.


    The Michael-Apollo Line passes from northeast to southwest through :
    Skellig Michael,
    St. Michael's chapel on Carn Brea in Cornwall,
    St. Michael's Mount in Cornwall,
    Mont St. Michel in Brittany,
    Bourges,
    Sacra di San Michele in Piedmont,
    San Michele at Castiglione di Garfagna,
    Perugia,
    Monte Sant' Angelo, Monte Gargano, the site of the first recorded appearance of the Archangel Michael.
    Kerkyas
    Delphi
    Athens
    Delos
    Lindos
    Mount Carmel in the Holy Land


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭selfrep


    I would like to draw the readers attention to the facts about the CHI RO symbol. The fact that it looks like an X and a P is just myth and rumour. Constantine saw a vision and was simply told to recreate what he saw and was told : In this sign you will conquer, it will be a sure defence in battle there is no recorded evidence at all that Constantine said it was an X and P

    has anyone ever considered that when the Alpha and Omega child returns he himself will explain the meaning of the CHI RO symbol to us? what if he uses the symbol to conquer evil during his second coming and use it as is his defence in the great battle of revelation?

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    Consider if you will turning the CHI RO symbol on its side and consider the semi circle as the Newgrange Tombs in Navan County Meath http://www.newgrange.com/ which were built over 4,000 years ago, nobody knows why but the chamber at newgrange was built to bring attention to december 21st. Now consider the X as being " X marks the spot" and consider it to represent the galactic alignment due to take place on 21-12-2012 at 11:11 am. I put it to believers that the CHI RO symbol is a map depicting the second coming of the prophesised Alpha and Omega Child. I would also like to introduce the following image and note it is not a moon the Virgin Mary is stood upon but rather the Newgrange tomb :

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    Now a great sign appeared in heaven:
    a woman clothed with the sun,
    with the moon ( newgrange tomb under her feet,
    and on her head a garland of twelve stars.
    2. Then being with child,
    she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth...revelation 12

    now consider the 12 stars around her head to reflect the mazzaroth and 12 constellations and consider the son when he arrives the 13th sign - Ophiuchus, the man battling the serpent

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    and please also research keplers supernova which was located in the heel of Ophiuchus : And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." Genesis 3:15

    consider 11:11 as the wake up call Psalm 57:8 psalm 108:1 and if one is to google 11:11 one will see many are being awoken but they do not know why..... http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourc...w=1003&bih=381 and to understand the wake up one should visit http://www.crystalinks.com/11.11.html :

    You will experience a sudden awakening after which reality is
    never the same. You are going to create clarity, healing and
    balance for yourself. Do not expect others in your life to be
    on this journey with you. It is yours alone as it is for most
    souls. You will have to seek new friends of like mind who are
    also being triggered by the digits. Once you open the Digital
    Door, there is no going back. Your soul will automatically and
    quickly move you from level to level of experience until you
    'get it'. Your consciousness is expanding and therefore you will
    manifest faster and with greater comprehension, becoming
    more aware of the meaning of synchronicities that will
    become more and more frequent. They are created by your
    soul to help you remember that you are a soul spark in a
    physical program that involves evolving back to higher
    consciousness. 11:11 is said to be ones wake up call.

    This soul awakening that people go through is part of the
    ongoing evolution of mankind and part of the plans that God
    has for his kingdom. Your soul comes from God and if it is
    being awakened then you should pay close attention as you
    form a pivotal part in what lay ahead. John 11:11 “ Our friend
    Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I am going there to wake him
    up”. This was Jesus predicting he had the power to not only
    raise the physically dead but also awaken the spiritually dead
    from their slumber and belief in God. Spiritually dead people
    get awoken but very often do not want to understand it
    because they do not realise they are asleep.

    “A new age will be awakened” Esdras 7:31. “ Why are you
    sleeping? Get up and pray that you will not fall into
    temptation” Luke 22:46. “So wake up and strengthen what
    you have before it dies completely” Revelation 3:2. “If you do
    not wake up, I will come upon you like a thief, and you will not
    even know the time when I will come” Revelation 3:3.

    11:11 - God wakes us up
    22:22 - God teaches us through his Spirit
    33:33 God teaches us through his spirit and his son ( TRINITY)
    44:44 : God teaches us through his spirit, son and Mother
    55:55 : The son teaches about the Mother through the fifth and final mystery of the rosary
    66:66 - The marking of the beast is explained
    77:77 The seven seals of the scroll are opened.....

















    Navan is a town in county meath Ireland : I would refer you to the flag of this county :
    Flag_of_Mide.png
    For many this is just another county in Ireland but for those
    with wisdom it is the seat of the High King of Ireland that is to
    come. The promised one, The Christ, The Star Child, The Alpha
    and Omega, The anointed one.

    It is situated in the East of Ireland and is home to the Hill of
    Tara which legend holds is the location of the missing Ark of
    the Covenant and is also home to Newgrange, the mysterious
    ancient mystical landmark that has baffled the world since its
    discovery. It predicts something will occur in Ireland on
    December 21st 2012. The whole county is one biblical ticking
    time bomb awaiting to explode. Many believe the Son of Man
    when he returns for his second coming will emerge from this
    County.

    It was once known as ‘Mide’ which when translated means
    ‘middle’. Its flag has a crowned King sitting upon a throne, a
    depiction and prophecy that the King will come from here and
    rule the world during Judgement Day.

    From all the countries in the world you have chosen this one
    small land. 2 Esdras 5:24.

    "Numbers are the perfect way for the deity to remain in touch with mankind" - Saint Augustine said and when we take NAVAN the town and apply its alpha numeric numbers to the letters ( a=1 b =2 c=3 etc...) we get :
    N =14:A=1:V=22:A=1:N=14 – 11:11:22:44 – 22:22:44 – 44:44 please also note the date of creation calculated by Bishop Usher as being 4004 BC October 22nd and note the space between the two 4's in the date of creation. then think of the dimensions of Noahs ARK where he was told to leave a space of 44......


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Moved to Conspiracy Theories.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Crann na Beatha


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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Veles wrote: »
    :confused:
    Cliff Notes: Jesus is back and he's Irish. WHOOP WHOOP!


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    Cliff Notes: Jesus is back and he's Irish. WHOOP WHOOP!

    You left out the whole "I'm suing Kenny & Shatter for not being Christian", or some such.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    selfrep wrote: »
    It is situated in the East of Ireland and is home to the Hill of
    Tara which legend holds is the location of the missing Ark of
    the Covenant and is also home to Newgrange, the mysterious
    ancient mystical landmark that has baffled the world since its
    discovery. It predicts something will occur in Ireland on
    December 21st 2012. The whole county is one biblical ticking
    time bomb awaiting to explode. Many believe the Son of Man
    when he returns for his second coming will emerge from this
    County.



    As an archaeologist all I can say is that the ark of the covenant is not there.

    It is true that a load of crackpot gentlemen from the British Israelites dug up the hill in search of the ark back in the 20's and in the process destroyed a lot of archaeological features.

    The site was extensively examined including excavations in the 50's by Sean P. O Riordain and then by his successor Dr. Ruaidhri de Valera, both from the UCD school of archeology. Burial deposits, cists tombs among others were discovered on the site. No holy grail, or ark of the covenant were ever found.

    It is true that its an obviously important archaeological site with remains of activity dating from the late Mesolithic right up the the late Iron age. An obvious important landscape for people living in boyne valley in the past.

    In the recent past there has been no excavations on the hill, partly because of the negative public attraction it would attract in my opinion. However there has been extensive non invasive geophysical (resistivity surveys, ground penetrating radar ect....) work on the hill and this has yielded no fantasy religious objects.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    selfrep wrote: »
    Or because you can't answer it while maintaining interal consistency. I boxed you into that corner very nicely.

    :-)

    you didnt box me into any corner, the constitution will never be changed to ommit beliefs in God EVER and only those with the marking of the beast 666 deny God and his existence and his son and his sons second coming and they do their utmost to discredit anyone who highlights their darkness....furthermore the job of satan is to lead as many souls astray so that they are not prepared for the second coming.....with you sir he has won a victory with me he has lost.....and its you thats in a dark corner ......



    I saw something similar to this before. It was written on a toilet wall in sh1t.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭marketty


    selfrep wrote: »
    This time with a prophecy to do with the Second Coming of her Son and that it would occur in Navan, County Meath.

    I'm from Navan, first we had Pierce Brosnan, then Tommy Tiernan and Hector, now the second coming of Christ? I wonder will they name a street after him like they did for that Paddy O'Brien chap.

    Pave Tara.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭marketty


    BX 19 wrote: »
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    Now ye made Jesus facepalm. Have ye no shame?


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