Bus Eireann routes 109/109A Changes

Whatsdastory

Current 30 Timetable

Cavan 0655 Bus Aras 1730
Virginina 0725 Airport 1750
Airport 0830 Virginia 1855
Bus Aras 0850 Cavan 1925

why cant even 1 bus a day operate below times for Cavan commuters who work/study in city center. 60 minutes from Virginia to BA is slightly ambitious and breaking speed limit, probaly 65-70 more accurate, but you get the idea. All via M3 & DPT

Cavan 0710 Bus Aras 1720
Virginia 0740 Virgina 1820
Bus Aras 0840 Cavan 1850

Commuter109

Anyone hear any more on the revised Navan service, which I think was due to commence in Jan?

Thanks

gazzer

Commuter109 wrote: »

Anyone hear any more on the revised Navan service, which I think was due to commence in Jan?

Thanks

No news on the Bus Eireann website anyway. I was hoping that the new service from Cavan to Dublin would be starting early in the new year. I am going to be using it a lot over the next few months so would like to not have to do the spend the guts of 2 and half hours on the bus.

tom23

Any news on the changes? Or will these be put on the back back back burner now that bus eireann is going through industrial unrest?

I'm a 100 minutes on the 109 and still 10 minutes off getting to Navan.

Conway635

I'd imagine that the unsettled IR landscape for BE may make it more difficult to bring in the changes, but you never know.

I'm a daily commuter on the 109 from Kells to Stephens Green and return, and I'll be watching carefully to see what the changes bring for me.

They have promised to keep a few journeys in peak time between Kells and "south city". I don't mind if I end up having to walk down to Busaras in the evening, but in the morning the straight-through journey works well for me timing wise.

C635

Commuter109

Still nothing on the 109X, though I did hear that they ran a test morning bus last week via the new route i.e up the kentstown road, in through Johnstown and joined motorway at Skyrne Exist etc.. apparently took over an hour to reach Finglas alone, which doesn't bode well.

Whatsdastory

January 2015, leaflets on 109 buses regarding proposed new routes, still no change.....
No wonder company is going under

munchkin_utd

Whatsdastory wrote: »

January 2015, leaflets on 109 buses regarding proposed new routes, still no change.....
No wonder company is going under

well, to turn that the other way, if the company is in turmoil about the bigger picture so its not surprising that management have other things to be looking at than making massive changes to services.

malene

BUS STRIKE - ALTERNATIVES PLEASE.

AFTERNOON AND LATE BUSES IF ANY.

Thanks,

horseburger

malene wrote: »

BUS STRIKE - ALTERNATIVES PLEASE.

AFTERNOON AND LATE BUSES IF ANY.

Thanks,

For getting to Dublin from Navan and Dunshaughlin, Sillian Tours is the other option.

After that the nearest you'd get to Navan would be the Drogheda train from Dublin, or Matthews Coaches which covers Drogheda, or Collins Coaches which runs services between Carrickmacross and Dublin which covers Slane, Ardee and Collon.

http://sillan.ie/bus-timetables

Here is a note, on Sillan Tours facebook page, which indicates that it will prioritize its regular customers first.

"Bus Eireann strike to begin at midnight tonight Thursday 23rd March. We want to reassure our customers that our daily services are not affected by this. All SILLAN customers will be accommodated as per usual."

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/15_dublin-dundalk.pdf

http://www.matthews.ie/admin/image/timetable_pdf/14803481696951406.pdf

http://collinscoaches.ie/images/collins_coaches_timetable_to_dublin_oct_2016.pdf

kerosene

How are commuters coping with the strike? I checked Sillian Tours webpage and they stress they were already at near full capacity and there is very limited spaces for bus eireann customers.

I would usually be on the 5.50am bus from navan so the earliest sillian bus wouldnt get me to work on time anyway.

malene

it would be great if some company provided a nitelink around 00.30 as well.

gazzer

Its a pity that there is no private bus service from Cavan Town to Dublin. I know there was one a few years ago but it only ran for a few months. It was a great service. Virginia to Dublin in 65 minutes.

paulboland

With the Airport bus 109A not operating due to the strike this also leaves lot of navan and kells customers who need to get to Ratoath/Ashbourne left with no transport

No private bus goes from Navan to Ashbourne

There is a private bus from Dubiln to Ashbourne/Ratoath but the timetable is not much use if you want to get from Dubiln to Navan early in the morning

Sillan first bus from Dublin is 13.00 to Navan that's not much use to anyone who requires a Bus Dublin To Navan from 7.00 am

Do private bus providers not understand lot of night shift workers use public transport and not everyone works in Dublin
A lot of workers travel from Dublin/Ashbourne to work in other Co Meath locations as in Navan//Kells and other counties outside of Dublin.

If you work in Dublin during the day hours 9-5 you have options but not if you work outside Dublin 9-5 or Night Shifts

If you work Night Shifts or need to travel early in the morning from Dublin or Ashbourne to Navan/Kells etc you have no Bus transport provider beside Bus Eireann



Just announced this evening Dublin Bus and Irish Rail workers to ballot for strike action in support of Bus Eireann Workers on Strike

This possible Dublin Bus and Irish Rail strike needs to be stopped and Bus Eireann Strike be ended ASAP

A lot of the public don't drive a car and rely on public transport to get to work

A lot of the Public not able to get to work and also retail stores not having customers due to a bus strike will have serious affects on the economy

This Bus Eireann Strike needs to end and also stop any other possible strike by Dublin Bus
Public Transport should always be available and operating it's an essential service

Transport Minster and the rest of the government needs to make sure the strike is ended and have public transport in full operation

horseburger

paulboland wrote: »

With the Airport bus 109A not operating due to the strike this also leaves lot of navan and kells customers who need to get to Ratoath/Ashbourne left with no transport

No private bus goes from Navan to Ashbourne

There is a private bus from Dubiln to Ashbourne/Ratoath but the timetable is not much use if you want to get from Dubiln to Navan early in the morning

Sillan first bus from Dublin is 13.00 to Navan that's not much use to anyone who requires a Bus Dublin To Navan from 7.00 am

Do private bus providers not understand lot of night shift workers use public transport and not everyone works in Dublin
A lot of workers travel from Dublin/Ashbourne to work in other Co Meath locations as in Navan//Kells and other counties outside of Dublin.

If you work in Dublin during the day hours 9-5 you have options but not if you work outside Dublin 9-5 or Night Shifts

If you work Night Shifts or need to travel early in the morning from Dublin or Ashbourne to Navan/Kells etc you have no Bus transport provider beside Bus Eireann



Just announced this evening Dublin Bus and Irish Rail workers to ballot for strike action in support of Bus Eireann Workers on Strike

This possible Dublin Bus and Irish Rail strike needs to be stopped and Bus Eireann Strike be ended ASAP

A lot of the public don't drive a car and rely on public transport to get to work

A lot of the Public not able to get to work and also retail stores not having customers due to a bus strike will have serious affects on the economy

This Bus Eireann Strike needs to end and also stop any other possible strike by Dublin Bus
Public Transport should always be available and operating it's an essential service

Transport Minster and the rest of the government needs to make sure the strike is ended and have public transport in full operation

You are correct on that. It is a very important difference between the services operated by Bus Éireann, compared to services operated by other companies.

It is an important aspect to highlight, and in much of the media coverage of the strike, it is not being highlighted - on radio and tv coverage of the strike.

On RTE news, reporters Ingrid Miley, on Thursday 23rd March 2017, and Paschal Sheehy, on Saturday 25th March 2017, have suggested that Bus Éireann users might change to using private coach services permanently, from Bus Éireann services.

Ingrid Miley in her report, on Thursday 23rd March on the 9pm news, cited the NTA, stating that the NTA were "pointing out that there are alternatives and advising passengers to look at the NTA journey planner".

The report by Paschal Sheehy showed a video clip of Aircoch buses and a Dublin Coach bus on Patrick's Quay in Cork. It then showed an Aircoach bus stopping to pick up passengers who were waiting. It then showed Paschal Sheehy doing a vox pop with a man on a bus going to Dungarvan from Cork, saying he took this bus because Bus Éireann was on strike.

The impression given in the report, by the way it showed an Aircoach bus stopping to pick up passengers, and then the vox pop with the passenger going from Cork to Dungarvan, was that Aircoach are running this service from Cork to Dungarvan.

It is Dublin Coach that is running that service.

I would imagine that Dublin Coach weren't too happy with whoever it was, that edited the video, that went with Paschal Sheehy's report.

http://www.rte.ie/news/player/nine-news-web/2017/0323/

http://www.rte.ie/news/player/nine-news-web/2017/0325/

http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/rte-news-nine-oclock-30003250/10703650/

http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/rte-news-nine-oclock-30003250/10704670/

Such an option, of alternatives, does not apply for anyone who travels on Bus Éireann's services between Cavan and Dublin. There is no private company operating a service that is any way comparable to the 109, or the 109A service that provides a 24 hour service between Kells and Dublin, while also serving Navan, Dunshaughlin, Raotoath, Ashbourne and the airport.

Also, many private coach services operate fewer services to and from Dublin, on Saturdays and Sundays, where in comparison, Bus Éireann operate a very regular service throughout the day at weekends, to and from Dublin, for example on the 109 and 109A services, to and from Dublin, where passengers have the option of going to Dublin in the morning, and going from Dublin in the morning.

Even from Monday to Friday, many private services only have an option to go to Dublin in the mornings, and only provide services from Dublin, in the afternoons and evenings. This is a major difference, in comparison to many of the services operated by Bus Éireann.

As an example, the first Kearns service from Dublin daily is at 4.10pm.

http://www.kearnstransport.com/index.php/dublin-timetable/from-dublin

Another example, from Monaghan Town, McConnons operate a different service, compared to the number 32 and 33 services that cover Monaghan, to and from Dublin.

http://www.mcconnonsbuses.com/?p=home

http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1478276752-32.pdf

http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1470909505-33.pdf

http://www.mcconnonsbuses.com/content/mcconnons_timetable_july_2013.pdf

Slippin Jimmy

So with all the talk of insolvency I doubt we are ever going to see the proposed route changes take effect. What will happen if/when Bus Eireann go bust?

tom23

No 07:05 express and 07:20 express 20 minutes late departing Navan. Driver apologetic but god can it get any worse than this when one is simply trying to get to work on a Monday morning? Customer are just resigned to silent mutterings st the stop. Has to get better simply has to.

cournioni

tom23 wrote: »

No 07:05 express and 07:20 express 20 minutes late departing Navan. Driver apologetic but god can it get any worse than this when one is simply trying to get to work on a Monday morning? Customer are just resigned to silent mutterings st the stop. Has to get better simply has to.

Don't expect anything more from a public service in this country. If they are told to be on time by their manager/supervisor there will probably be a full on strike.

Would you not just get Sillan from Navan?
http://www.sillan.ie/images/Sillan_Timetable_to_Dublin_2016-2017.pdf

Fiskar

We are so near Dublin city it beggars belief how difficult it is to get into the city by car, bus or rail. The long term solution is get the rail link to Navan.
How we get the train link on the political agenda and keep it there is to set-up a local working group to keep the focus on our politicians. The working group would need to look at the rise in the commuting population and project it for the next 5/10/15 years.
Nothing will be done to improve transport infrastructure in Navan until it take 3 to 4 hours to get into Dublin or to get home and then it could take years.
I would be willing to participate in such a group as a train-car commuter.

Stroke Politics

Fiskar wrote: »

We are so near Dublin city it beggars belief how difficult it is to get into the city by car, bus or rail. The long term solution is get the rail link to Navan.
How we get the train link on the political agenda and keep it there is to set-up a local working group to keep the focus on our politicians. The working group would need to look at the rise in the commuting population and project it for the next 5/10/15 years.
Nothing will be done to improve transport infrastructure in Navan until it take 3 to 4 hours to get into Dublin or to get home and then it could take years.
I would be willing to participate in such a group as a train-car commuter.

Probably need to start a new thread for that one, Fiskar. There was a monumental thread about this topic which faded away in the aftermath of the M3 motorway. A new pressure group does need to be formed to tackle this, the Meath on Track domain name is for sale again, hopefully someone buys it up before Peadar or Shane.....

http://meathontrack.com/?hg=0&nr=0

Commuter109

This morning was an absolute nightmare, driver who eventually did turn up did his best, but i could see the fella was embarrassed at the shambolic level of service. Train badly needed

tom23

Train service is badly needed. Apart from the uncertainty off 'is my bus going to turn up this morning' getting to and from the city centre is getting more difficult on a yearly basis. Though from reading between the lines today it seems 'bus allocation' was the reason behind a no show and a 15 minute late departure. Not good enough IMO.

horseburger

cournioni wrote: »

Don't expect anything more from a public service in this country. If they are told to be on time by their manager/supervisor there will probably be a full on strike.

Would you not just get Sillan from Navan?
http://www.sillan.ie/images/Sillan_Timetable_to_Dublin_2016-2017.pdf

I think your comment, suggesting that drivers don't bother being at the bus stops on time, is unfair.

It is clear, from Commuter109's comment, that the driver did not intentionally arrive late, at the bus stop. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103845327&postcount=1282

Sillan Tours runs a great service, but the difference between Sillan Tours service and Bus Éireann's service, to and from Dublin and Navan, is that Sillan Tours last service from Dublin from Monday to Friday is at 7.15pm - which is fine, if you don't need to be in Dublin after 7.15pm from Monday to Fridays.

Sillan Tours runs a different service to and from Dublin on Saturdays and Sundays, whereas with the 109 Bus Éireann service. you can get a bus, scheduled to operate every hour - as well as every 30 minutes during the day - to and from Dublin and Navan, every day. Also, the 109A service has been operating 24 hours every day, since 31st July 2016, and serves Bus Aras during the night to and from Navan and Kells.

http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1425902151-109.pdf
http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1473263565-109A.pdf
http://www.sillan.ie/images/Sillan_Timetable_to_Dublin_2016-2017.pdf
http://www.sillan.ie/images/Sillan_Timetable_from_Dublin_2016-2017.pdf

tom23

Stroke Politics wrote: »

Probably need to start a new thread for that one, Fiskar. There was a monumental thread about this topic which faded away in the aftermath of the M3 motorway. A new pressure group does need to be formed to tackle this, the Meath on Track domain name is for sale again, hopefully someone buys it up before Peadar or Shane.....

http://meathontrack.com/?hg=0&nr=0

AGREE. We don't need the same cut and paste information that makes up most of this thread. Proper discussion. But a lobby group for a a train is badly needed. Small acorns

n97 mini

tom23 wrote: »

AGREE. We don't need the same cut and paste information that makes up most of this thread. Proper discussion. But a lobby group for a a train is badly needed. Small acorns

Between Meath Co Co running a sewer pipe along the track bed, difficulties in a rail line crossing the new M3 motorway, the only 24-hour publicly funded bus route in the country, and a pile of other rail projects looking for scarce public funding, I'd say re-opening the line to Navan is probably even less likely to happen than opening the WRC to Tuam and beyond.

Commuter109

Same rubbish this morning . No 7.05 service , one single decker turned up for the 7:20 . Just about managed to take the crowd on the square .

No room at the inn for the 40 plus people waiting at the Ard Boyne . Joke Shop

munchkin_utd

tom23 wrote: »

Train service is badly needed. Apart from the uncertainty off 'is my bus going to turn up this morning' getting to and from the city centre is getting more difficult on a yearly basis. Though from reading between the lines today it seems 'bus allocation' was the reason behind a no show and a 15 minute late departure. Not good enough IMO.

well, there is a train on the Navan line which goes as far as M3 parkway.

By rights Irish rail should be providing a bus shuttle shuttle to/ from their train at its existing terminus down the motorway in advance of that route being (in the distant future) being extended to Navan.
If theres a case for the line being extended then you need to build the commuting patterns.

Why there isnt such a service I dont know, but can only presume that the subsidies on the 109 service are such that Bus eireann (as the obvious bus company to be asked) wouldnt possibly agree to operating a shuttle and CIE as parent company have no interest in promoting the rail line to the detriment of their national bus company and their cash cow 109.

tom23

Commuter109 wrote: »

Same rubbish this morning . No 7.05 service , one single decker turned up for the 7:20 . Just about managed to take the crowd on the square .

No room at the inn for the 40 plus people waiting at the Ard Boyne . Joke Shop

Simply not good enough. I guess we can expect more less the same fir the forseeable future.

Commuter109

tom23 wrote: »

Simply not good enough. I guess we can expect more less the same fir the forseeable future.

Simply not good enough and getting worse. Biggest farce of the week today, no 7.05, no 7.20. Everybody forced to use the one slow coach that turned up. Mayhem. People that were there at 7.00 for the 7.05 ended up getting to O' Connell Street at circa 8.40.

No explanation, no apology, you couldn't make it up.

LXFlyer

If this persists get onto BE management, the NTA and local TDs - something is clearly wrong if key departures aren't showing up.