Bond 23 - "Skyfall" *spoilers from post 595*

syklops

Paudie223 wrote: »

News is out that Skyfall is going be about 2hrs and 25 minutes in duration. Roughly the same running time as Casino Royale and much longer than QOS. Not 100% confirmed mind you.

So at least it will be value for money.

krudler

I'm a big fan of Dalton in the role, he had the cold blooded thing down way before Craig did it, Licence To Kill is one of the more underrated Bonds, has some spectacular stunts in it. The opening helicopter/plane stunt, the skiless waterskiing, the truck chase, all excellent.

Paudie223

Yes, if anything it means that's more depth to script than there was with QOS.

syklops

krudler wrote: »

I'm a big fan of Dalton in the role, he had the cold blooded thing down way before Craig did it, Licence To Kill is one of the more underrated Bonds, has some spectacular stunts in it. The opening helicopter/plane stunt, the skiless waterskiing, the truck chase, all excellent.

The Living Daylights has always been one of my favourites. Dalton really got the moody, pissed off with his job, would rather be chasing girls and drinking martinis Bond, which in many was is truer to the books.

krudler

syklops wrote: »

The Living Daylights has always been one of my favourites. Dalton really got the moody, pissed off with his job, would rather be chasing girls and drinking martinis Bond, which in many was is truer to the books.

watch Archer, its like the animated version of that :pac:

syklops

krudler wrote: »

watch Archer, its like the animated version of that :pac:

Saw it. Wasn't crazy about it.

senordingdong

Saw the feature trailer last night, and am feeling very torn on the Q/gadget element.

road_hog

krudler wrote: »

I'm a big fan of Dalton in the role, he had the cold blooded thing down way before Craig did it, Licence To Kill is one of the more underrated Bonds, has some spectacular stunts in it. The opening helicopter/plane stunt, the skiless waterskiing, the truck chase, all excellent.

licence to kill was good but it was not particulary bond like , the villian ( robert davi ) was more like a charechter out of miami vice or something

road_hog

syklops wrote: »

The Living Daylights has always been one of my favourites. Dalton really got the moody, pissed off with his job, would rather be chasing girls and drinking martinis Bond, which in many was is truer to the books.

the living daylights had a few big flaws

terrible bond girl
pretty lame vilian though not as lame as the french squirt from QOS

syklops

road_hog wrote: »

the living daylights had a few big flaws

terrible bond girl

+1. I never liked her admittedly. Too thin and too moany. And not moany in a good way. On a recent trip to Bratislava I saw dozens(possibly hundreds) of better looking potential Bond-girls

If the prohibition lasts much longer, I might have to make another trip to Bratislava.

pretty lame vilian though not as lame as the french squirt from QOS

Which villain did you mean, Georgiy Koskov or Brad Whittaker? Tbh I liked them both. The only thing I didnt like was the use of Joe Don Baker as the bad guy, and in the following Bond movie he is working for the CIA in Russia(not the same character obviously, but same actor).

Loved the Mujaheddin being on the side of the good guys, and also love the bit at the end with the Mujaheddin and the Russian Officers who all seem to know each other and are all friendly despite politically being enemies. Great score as well, I have it running in my head now.

Sleepy

Very much horses for courses, Maryam d'Abo was always one of my favourite Bond Girls!

syklops

Sleepy wrote: »

Very much horses for courses, Maryam d'Abo was always one of my favourite Bond Girls!

Really?? If you don't mind me asking what do you see in her?

Sleepy

I'm not quite sure, just always found her cute. In the same vein as Julie Delpy - not classically beautiful but extremely attractive anyway.

Maybe it's as much to do with the age I would have been when The Living Daylights came out, the fact it's my favourite actor playing Bond and one of the best storylines (i.e. more like a Ludlum thriller instead of just another megalomaniac trying to take over the world from a secret base built under a mountain etc.).

syklops

Sleepy wrote: »

I'm not quite sure, just always found her cute. In the same vein as Julie Delpy - not classically beautiful but extremely attractive anyway.

Maybe it's as much to do with the age I would have been when The Living Daylights came out, the fact it's my favourite actor playing Bond and one of the best storylines (i.e. more like a Ludlum thriller instead of just another megalomaniac trying to take over the world from a secret base built under a mountain etc.).

I don't disagree with you on any of your points about The Living Daylights. The gadgets were perfectly believable, while still remaining cool. The car, oh the car. Snowboarding(before snowboarding was popular), through the Austrian border. All low key stuff really, and therefore more like a real spy movie, as opposed to some of the previous and more recent ones where he has a car that turns invisible but he only has 36 hours to stop an evil genius from blowing up the sun.

grames_bond

Adele confirmed to be performing the theme song!

Raekwon

syklops wrote: »

+1. I never liked her admittedly. Too thin and too moany. And not moany in a good way. On a recent trip to Bratislava I saw dozens(possibly hundreds) of better looking potential Bond-girls

If the prohibition lasts much longer, I might have to make another trip to Bratislava.

The Living Daylights is one of my favourite Bonds too but I agree that Maryam d'Abo is a very weak Bond girl. I'm not sure why they didn't just hire an authentic Czech or Slovak actress for the role as it was suppose to be based partly in Bratislava (but actually shot in the more picturesque city of Vienna a few miles away) and like syklops mentioned, they are not exactly short of stunners over there.

It still has one of the best Bond movie posters ever

krudler

grames_bond wrote: »

Adele confirmed to be performing the theme song!

3 minutes of crying over being dumped by Bond.

Sarxos

Here is a page with all of the trailer, clips, posters and images released from the film to date.

Sleepy

krudler wrote: »

3 minutes of crying over being dumped by Bond.

Ah be realistic... you mean being "rejected by Bond"...

Never seen Bond with a fat girl before!

krudler

Sleepy wrote: »

Ah be realistic... you mean being "rejected by Bond"...

Never seen Bond with a fat girl before!

Thats all the icecream after he broke up with her. Bond themed icecream at that. "Choctopussy"

Sivousplait

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

I have read most of the novels and Dalton is a far better representation of Fleming's Bond.
He is a tough merciless super spy who still could be super suave.
He was dark, he was ruthless, and he managed to show precisely what Bond was all about: a merciless, calculating, professional assassin. He was also good looking and charismatic.
Craig is not good looking or charismatic.
Dalton was cool,he had that glint in his eye ,I dont see that with Craig ,all is see is testosterone .
Craig's Bond is too physical. Perhaps it was because Craig's Bond came in the same era as the very successful Jason Bourne films, but nonetheless there is such a thing as too much. Fleming's Bond wasn't like that. He wasn't in fights every hour. He also had a slim physique.
Craig has a bruiser quality, a churlishness, a chip on shoulder thing going on that is not a trait of Bond in the books. The villains might have a chip on their shoulder, but Bond rarely did.


They have made Bond grittier, darker and less jokey.
Ironically, the very characteristics that got Dalton slammed are the very same things that people are praising Daniel Craig for.:rolleyes:


Moore actually wanted to stop doing Bond long before he finished but the producers kept on postponing his replacement.He was 57 when he finished .
He stated A View to a Kill as his least favourite film and mentioned that he was mortified to find out that he was older than his female co-star's mother.

The fact that Bond had gone rogue 20 years before Casino Royale seems to have been lost on many people.
Daltons Bond was ahead of its time.

The way I look at Craig is that he looks like a Bond villain rather than Bond himself. His physicality and features just aren't Bond. I think the producers rushed in with choosing him as Bond. For previous Bond films, A LOT of actors were tried out for the position.

I am looking forward to Skyfall because I am a big Bond fan and will always go, but I think the producers have lost a lot of elements that were vintage Bond. Most importantly, the film scores. I noticed in that trailer that there was no classic Bond-esque scores. It has become too modern and doesn't feel like Bond anymore. It is becoming too much like the competition at the moment (Bourne, Taken etc.). It is what would set it apart that would make the film what it is.

On the subject of Dalton, one of my favourites..if not my favourite! his portrayal of Bond was ruthless when necessary but charming. He could turn nasty when he wanted to and used his wit to effect. I'm glad they lost the slapstickness that had been associated with Moore...I don't fully know whether it was the writers or Moore that brought that element. But Dalton said he read the books day and night to nail what he felt Bond should be like. Living Daylights is my favourite Bond films. The score is magnificent. I think that element of music in Bond used to effect to make the scene more edgy needs to be utilised more. Hopefully, Skyfall will deliver on this element. Fans can often overlook the importance of scores to Bond films but it very much made the scenes in past films, particularly in Dalton's films.

Sivousplait

syklops wrote: »

The Living Daylights has always been one of my favourites. Dalton really got the moody, pissed off with his job, would rather be chasing girls and drinking martinis Bond, which in many was is truer to the books.

"stuff my orders. If M fires me, i'll thank him for it.....whoever that girl was it must have scared the Living Daylights out of her"

Sivousplait

syklops wrote: »

+1. I never liked her admittedly. Too thin and too moany. And not moany in a good way. On a recent trip to Bratislava I saw dozens(possibly hundreds) of better looking potential Bond-girls

If the prohibition lasts much longer, I might have to make another trip to Bratislava.




Which villain did you mean, Georgiy Koskov or Brad Whittaker? Tbh I liked them both. The only thing I didnt like was the use of Joe Don Baker as the bad guy, and in the following Bond movie he is working for the CIA in Russia(not the same character obviously, but same actor).

Loved the Mujaheddin being on the side of the good guys, and also love the bit at the end with the Mujaheddin and the Russian Officers who all seem to know each other and are all friendly despite politically being enemies. Great score as well, I have it running in my head now.

Necros is a hero. The fight scene with him and Bond on the plane. :cool::cool::cool:

krudler

Sivousplait wrote: »

The way I look at Craig is that he looks like a Bond villain rather than Bond himself. His physicality and features just aren't Bond. I think the producers rushed in with choosing him as Bond. For previous Bond films, A LOT of actors were tried out for the position.

I am looking forward to Skyfall because I am a big Bond fan and will always go, but I think the producers have lost a lot of elements that were vintage Bond. Most importantly, the film scores. I noticed in that trailer that there was no classic Bond-esque scores. It has become too modern and doesn't feel like Bond anymore. It is becoming too much like the competition at the moment (Bourne, Taken etc.). It is what would set it apart that would make the film what it is.

On the subject of Dalton, one of my favourites..if not my favourite! his portrayal of Bond was ruthless when necessary but charming. He could turn nasty when he wanted to and used his wit to effect. I'm glad they lost the slapstickness that had been associated with Moore...I don't fully know whether it was the writers or Moore that brought that element. But Dalton said he read the books day and night to nail what he felt Bond should be like. Living Daylights is my favourite Bond films. The score is magnificent. I think that element of music in Bond used to effect to make the scene more edgy needs to be utilised more. Hopefully, Skyfall will deliver on this element. Fans can often overlook the importance of scores to Bond films but it very much made the scenes in past films, particularly in Dalton's films.

I like The Living Daylights, the opening scene in Gilbratar is excellent, and the plane stunt at the end is spectacular (and shamelessly ripped off in Uncharted 3)

Sarxos

90 seconds of the theme has leaked. The record company is very quick at yanking down the uploads but it's gone viral now.

It's reminiscent of an old-school Bond song. Not quite Goldfinger but I expect it'll do well.

Paudie223

Sivousplait wrote: »

The way I look at Craig is that he looks like a Bond villain rather than Bond himself. His physicality and features just aren't Bond. I think the producers rushed in with choosing him as Bond. For previous Bond films, A LOT of actors were tried out for the position.

I am looking forward to Skyfall because I am a big Bond fan and will always go, but I think the producers have lost a lot of elements that were vintage Bond. Most importantly, the film scores. I noticed in that trailer that there was no classic Bond-esque scores. It has become too modern and doesn't feel like Bond anymore. It is becoming too much like the competition at the moment (Bourne, Taken etc.). It is what would set it apart that would make the film what it is.

On the subject of Dalton, one of my favourites..if not my favourite! his portrayal of Bond was ruthless when necessary but charming. He could turn nasty when he wanted to and used his wit to effect. I'm glad they lost the slapstickness that had been associated with Moore...I don't fully know whether it was the writers or Moore that brought that element. But Dalton said he read the books day and night to nail what he felt Bond should be like. Living Daylights is my favourite Bond films. The score is magnificent. I think that element of music in Bond used to effect to make the scene more edgy needs to be utilised more. Hopefully, Skyfall will deliver on this element. Fans can often overlook the importance of scores to Bond films but it very much made the scenes in past films, particularly in Dalton's films.

Craig was one of a number of actors that were screen tested for the part of Bond. I think there were 6 or 7 actors which screen tested. Producers said that he was well above everyone else during the auditions.

krudler

I really wish Muse would be given a stab at a Bond theme, some of their recent stuff would suit it perfectly, rock with big orchestra strings.

senordingdong

Sarxos wrote: »

90 seconds of the theme has leaked. The record company is very quick at yanking down the uploads but it's gone viral now.

It's reminiscent of an old-school Bond song. Not quite Goldfinger but I expect it'll do well.

Don't get this approach, they went to alot of work to break the Bond mold and pulled it off brilliantly, and now they appear to be trying to undo it all.

Also, this product placement is turning my stomach, Heineken, Coke Zero and now a Bond aftershave?

krudler

this would make a great Bond song, would love to see Muse get a crack at doing the next one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPeufV4xCGU

you can even hear a Bond-esque string section in it

eyeball kid

krudler wrote: »

I really wish Muse would be given a stab at a Bond theme, some of their recent stuff would suit it perfectly, rock with big orchestra strings.

You're right, not really a Muse fan but I think they would really suit that type of song.

Had to google the last couple of themes songs, could not remember them at all. Chris Cornell and Jack White/Alicia Keys. Doubt Adeles will live long in the memory but it sounds a bit more Bond like than the last two.