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Pyongyang

o1s1n wrote: »

Also had a load of Turbo Graphics stuff and Hu cards.

:eek::eek::eek:

Did they have Final Soldier? Air Zonk? Cotton Boomerang? Carnival 93?! Do they have a web presence? News me!

CiDeRmAn

Just playing with my new 129 euro Touchpad and browsing is pretty nice and smooth.
One thing I di find out was that the device slots perfectly into the iCade device, meaning Mame fun for me, once they finish porting either a dedicated version of the emulator or, more likely, they port Honeycomb and I just use the Android version of Mame instead.
Good times!

Gunmonkey

Hyh, so seems Sonic CD is going to be released on XBLA sometime soon, with a showing at PAX Prime this weekend. About time, always wanted to give it a spin but never had a MegaCD.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-23-sonic-cd-heading-to-xbox-live-arcade

CiDeRmAn

Don't get too excited, it's not quite as wonderful as Sega fanboys would have you believe, a bit like the Mega CD tbh.

Retr0gamer

Yeah I was expecting great things from Sonic CD but it's really not great. The levels are absolutely huge with 3 different versions of them but that doesn't matter when the level design is so poor. There's no personality to any of the levels with no memorable moments meaning that they tend to drag on longer than they should. Also the different zones bar one or two are pretty much interchangeable with each other since there's so little difference between them.

pdbhp

Don't know how true this is but FFS Nintendo.
If the below turns out to be true then Nintendo are fooked and I don't think that even my rabid Nintendo fanboyism will get me to buy another console.

Rumor: Nintendo to launch 3DS redesign in 2012 with less of a focus on the 3D and name change?
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There’s an interesting batch of rumours from 01net relating to the 3DS. In addition to the possibility of a second analog stick being added to the 3DS, they’re saying that:

Nintendo is currently preparing a new 3DS for a 2012 release. This new version would radically tone down the whole “3D“ angle, with a new design and even probably a different name.

This makes “sense” in that it would be a response to the mistakes Nintendo has made with the 3DS. But it feels like a weird thing for the company to be talking about so early on. They haven’t even felt the effects of the price drop yet, so making huge changes in their approach seems premature.

MegaSourceO'rama

Dr Bob

pdbhp wrote: »

MegaSourceO'rama

Reading comments on mainstream consoles causes me pain, possibly as its "teh kidzzz" posting , for example , that blog post about the 3ds generated:

10% discussion of issue
10% random key presses or spelling/textspeak so bad it may as well be
70% discussion of an unrelated southpark episode, and lastly
10% random 1 word posts relating to said south park episode, that make zero sense if you haven't seen it...And not much more if you have.

...face it , as a species we're doomed

amacachi

3D isn't selling the console so Nintendo's only option is to forget it and get developers and everything else moved onto it from the DS as quick as possible. A redesigned console would be a pretty cynical move to increase the price a few months after sales (should) pick up following some bigger releases.

James Howlett

Nintendo 3DS now = future Virtual Boy later.
Could just do.

Myrddin

amacachi wrote: »

3D isn't selling the console so Nintendo's only option is to forget it

Its the lack of games thats not selling it, why anyone would think otherwise is beyond me. There's no reason to buy one, so why would anyone?

amacachi

EnterNow wrote: »

Its the lack of games thats not selling it, why anyone would think otherwise is beyond me. There's no reason to buy one, so why would anyone?

Yeah but Nintendo seemed to think the novelty would be enough to get people to buy it and it hasn't been. They'd be right to stop focussing on 3D and get the games out damn quick. It's amazing how few of even the "casual" franchises have made it so far.

Andrew76

I wonder how 3DS console sales compare to the original DS, better or worse? And is there still a good bit of life left in the current DS to make devs bother about creating new games with 3D specific functionality.

Mr.Saturn

Between the sudden price drop, the lack of titles and the rumored revision, Gen 8 Nintendo are starting to look like late Gen 4 Sega. That is, a little all over the shop. Mind, I have a tendency to laugh at early adopters, but in this case, understand a shrivel of their frustration, it's baffling Nintendo didn't launch it with at least one killer app. By that, I do mean a generational killer app, not a port of an N64 title.

CiDeRmAn

So, we're now looking at a wholesale redesign of the device, mostly cosmetic but with the inclusion of a second circle pad.
Holy New Revision of Ninty Hardware Batman!!!

Yes it's the wonderful/disturbing news of a wholesale redesign and retargeting of the 3DS console with a new name, possibly, and less emphasis on the 3D.
So, we'll end up with a next gen handheld with 2 analogue controls and mostly 2D output coupled with a touch screen...
Sounds like the Vita is going to have a, potentially, easy time wiping the floor with it, assuming Sony can avoid screwing it up.

So, where does it leave the 3DS buying fanboy?
Well, check this out..
Shocking news!!!
Looks like the existing 3DS owners, all ten of them, will be able to purchase an addon that will be the extra circle pad, and presumably a firmware addon to go with it.

Interesting times ahead me-thinks.
Faint whiff of early 90's Sega in the air as hardware uncertainty could lead to a lack of consumer confidence, driving everyone to buy Atari Jaguars Sony Vitas!

megaten

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Faint whiff of early 90's Sega in the air as hardware uncertainty could lead to a lack of consumer confidence

This is exactly what I thought.

amacachi

Nintendo are right, who wants games when you can buy sticks.

DinoRex

amacachi wrote: »

Nintendo are right, who wants games when you can buy sticks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiocKzeR7BE

Retr0gamer

3DS sales have picked up a lot since the price drop and it's selling much better than the DS at this point in it's life I'd imagine. I really doubt those redesign rumours are true, such a massive redesign seems a bit drastic. Still stranger things have happened.

CiDeRmAn

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

Between the sudden price drop, the lack of titles and the rumored revision, Gen 8 Nintendo are starting to look like late Gen 4 Sega. That is, a little all over the shop. Mind, I have a tendency to laugh at early adopters, but in this case, understand a shrivel of their frustration, it's baffling Nintendo didn't launch it with at least one killer app. By that, I do mean a generational killer app, not a port of an N64 title.

Well, so few were bothered with the 3DS launch that, perhaps just perhaps, a relaunch with a new name, maybe, and a killer lineup of games in 2012 will seal the deal, certainly the backwards compatibility with existing DS game collections will mean its attractive.
And the online store feels nicer than the PS Store does.
I don't know where this is all going to lead.

Don't underestimate the power of Playstation, certainly the power of Sony to screw this up.
Of the gaming devices they launched they did good with PS and PS2 but screwed up, with change, the PSP and PS3 and the PSP:Go deserves special mention as a complete cluster fup.

Myrddin

amacachi wrote: »

Yeah but Nintendo seemed to think the novelty would be enough to get people to buy it and it hasn't been. They'd be right to stop focussing on 3D and get the games out damn quick. It's amazing how few of even the "casual" franchises have made it so far.

3D has nothing to do with the dismality of the 3DS, the feature can be turned on or off anyway, its not essential to the console. Its not the focus on 3D thats the problem, its the lack of any focus whatsoever thats the problem.

Like aside from OoT, there's still no must have reason to own a 3DS, nothing at all. Either its a b1tch to develop for, too costly to develop for, or nobody will invest in it now because Nintendo f"cked up...prob a combination of all three.

Nintendo showed their hand too early, releasing it & seemingly forgetting they had to make games for it has now tagged the 3DS as a bit of a gamble for dev houses/companies...I reckon it'll sink. Fast.

CiDeRmAn

Nintendo also gave little thought to third party developers.
The inclusion of WiiSports and Wii Sports Resort may have been a boon for gamers but for developers trying to sell games it was a disaster, why invest in another game when a high quality compilation of games is available with the system?
And so developers who had abandoned the Gamecube and tested the waters with the Wii got burned again, so little wonder that the 3DS has had so little support.

Perhaps most people don't want what the 3DS offers, I mean, what does it offer?
What does it give people that they don't already play on the DS?
Puzzle games, Crosswords, Peggle, PuyoPuyo and Zookeeper variants, minigame compilations, hard to imagine people wanting to "upgrade" to the 3DS from, say the DSiXL, with a bigger more comfortable screen and stylus.
They care nothing for processing power or 3D at all, in fact 3D seems to have turned as many people off the system, most of my gaming friends, both of them, aren't interested because it makes their eyes sore.

So, how do Nintendo save this one?
How indeed, perhaps do a Touchpad, dump the machine and bring out something new in 2012.
Sony will take for ages to turn the Vita into a market leader, PS3 IPs on it will appeal to PS3 owners, great if you live in Japan, little impact here.
Maybe Nintendo should bite the bullet and partner with Apple?
Who knows.

One thing's for sure, 2012 is going to be really interesting.

Retr0gamer

Games don't sell consoles though, not in the first year or so, marketing does and so far nintendo have made a balls of it. It's been advertised enough but what's wrong is the name. After the DS lite, DSi and DSi XL to the lay person the 3DS sounds like another iteration of the DS hardware with a tacted on 3D display. The price as well was way off the mark. I think nintendo should really reconsider the Wii U name since most people think it's just another Wii peripheral.

Sony on the other hand I think won't mess up the PS Vita. They got complacent after the playstation and the PS2 should have been a complete flop if it wasn't for brand recognition. The PSP didn't do too badly but software sales were terrible and if it wasn't for Monster Hunter in Japan the machine would have been dead 2 years ago. The PS3 was a big slap in the face for Sony to cop on.

DinoRex

Just saw this Sony advert that is popular in Japan right now... they used the same actors from a 1999 PS1 advert in an advert for the 2011 PSP remake:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7o9yhORJ-o

Mr.Saturn

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Games don't sell consoles though, not in the first year or so, marketing does and so far nintendo have made a balls of it. It's been advertised enough but what's wrong is the name. After the DS lite, DSi and DSi XL to the lay person the 3DS sounds like another iteration of the DS hardware with a tacted on 3D display. The price as well was way off the mark. I think nintendo should really reconsider the Wii U name since most people think it's just another Wii peripheral.

In fairness, Nintendo have copped onto this the past few months. They've got those late-night ads with Simon Pegg narrating, bookended by this statement:

'This is no DS, this is 3DS'

CiDeRmAn

DinoRex wrote: »

Just saw this Sony advert that is popular in Japan right now... they used the same actors from a 1999 PS1 advert in an advert for the 2011 PSP remake:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7o9yhORJ-o

They should bring back the Society Against Playstation!
With the great "Stick" ad!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HLufcE7jxY

Retr0gamer

I'm amazing that ren and stimpy's creators didn't take Sony to the cleaners for those adverts since they are such a blatant copy.

DinoRex

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

They should bring back the Society Against Playstation!
With the great "Stick" ad!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HLufcE7jxY

I just did... a few posts back!

DinoRex

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'm amazing that ren and stimpy's creators didn't take Sony to the cleaners for those adverts since they are such a blatant copy.

They ripped off Big Train as well too with their fake nature documentary adverts.

Did they also steal the imaginary gun shooting stuff from Spaced at one point as well?

CiDeRmAn

Well, sorry for repeating said post, I hang my head in shame....

johnny_ultimate

Just as I read this 3DS related gloom and doom, I just got an email saying mine is finally in the post. Half tempted to trade it in for a US one

Retr0gamer

Who would want an EU machine and miss out on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-Ou1zV2dH4

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Games don't sell consoles though, not in the first year or so

In fairness though, thats because usually there's more than a 15 year old rom port to keep you going isn't it? In this case, games would help....a lot.

valleyoftheunos

EnterNow wrote: »

In fairness though, thats because usually there's more than a 15 year old rom port to keep you going isn't it? In this case, games would help....a lot.

Its all down to games, doesn't matter how technically impressive a system is, without any software worth buying, the system isn't worth buying no matter what its capable. the same is true for the Vita, doesn't matter if it can make can cook your dinner for you without games, it won't sell.

Interestingly the opposite is also true, underpowered machines will sell if the games people want are there, ala the DS.

Retr0gamer

EnterNow wrote: »

In fairness though, thats because usually there's more than a 15 year old rom port to keep you going isn't it? In this case, games would help....a lot.

Well there was the 'fantastic' PS2 launch and post launch line up which had... fantavision and ports of Gradius 3 and 4 as it's best games. The DS also had a port of Mario 64 and Rub Rabbits if you must as it's must have until Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow came out a few months later.

Retr0gamer

I think nintendo needs a breackthrough casual gaming hit to increase the numbers of 3DS consoles sold. Nintendogs did it for the DS and made it a viable platform to develop for. I think not releasing Pokemon black and white on the 3DS in time for christmas was a big mistake.

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Well there was the 'fantastic' PS2 launch and post launch line up which had... fantavision and ports of Gradius 3 and 4 as it's best games. The DS also had a port of Mario 64 and Rub Rabbits if you must as it's must have until Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow came out a few months later.

The PS2 was going to sell in droves regardless, Sony really owes itself to the PS1 even today.

The DS? Well had that got a superior rival breathing down its neck at the time, a la Vita? If not then maybe Nintendo could take their time with it a bit more & the pressure wasn't on. This is an entirely different situation

The 3DS is a new technology/high risk investment by Nintendo. Its very much in their interests to get this right. It's got a rival about to jump on board, which like the PS2, will sell by the bucketload based on name alone. In the almost six months that have passed since the 3DS launch, Nintendo are running the risk of having the 3DS name stained as a headache inducing paperweight, simply by not giving people anything to do on it.

I'd love to see it doing well, I love the effect. Why is there no film functionalty? Too 'mainstream' for Nintendo maybe? Still ages away from any half decent looking game release too. If I were in the market for a new handheld, I know which looks more promising. I'm sorry but they've completely & totally neglected the 3DS even after nearly six months. I can't believe they're scratching their heads wondering why it isn't selling, it's so stupid its actually amusing.

Steve X2

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Just playing with my new 129 euro Touchpad and browsing is pretty nice and smooth.
One thing I di find out was that the device slots perfectly into the iCade device, meaning Mame fun for me, once they finish porting either a dedicated version of the emulator or, more likely, they port Honeycomb and I just use the Android version of Mame instead.
Good times!

Didn't know you had an iCade as well. What do you make of it?

.

Retr0gamer

EnterNow wrote: »

The DS? Well had that got a superior rival breathing down its neck at the time, a la Vita? If not then maybe Nintendo could take their time with it a bit more & the pressure wasn't on. This is an entirely different situation.

The PSP? it was released a few months after the DS with a stupidly good launch line up and while EU and NA were waiting people were picking them up from japan. The DS was pretty much ridiculed on launch.

All I'm saying is give it some time. The start of Summer was a stupid launch window since it's such a lull for sales and releases. If by after christmas there's still trouble then it's time to get worried. No good games for months after launch is what always happens with new consoles. It was the same with the 360 and PS3, worse even for the PS3, and for older consoles like the Megadrive and even SNES.

TGS is also coming up and if Nintendo announce something like Monster Hunter on 3DS or a new Dragon Quest then the whole game is changed.

Jack burton

Sorry I've been away for a while fighting demons and trying to find Gracie, what have i missed?

did general retro discussion fill up or somthing?

SdoowSirhc

Retr0gamer wrote: »

The PSP? it was released a few months after the DS with a stupidly good launch line up and while EU and NA were waiting people were picking them up from japan. The DS was pretty much ridiculed on launch.

All I'm saying is give it some time. The start of Summer was a stupid launch window since it's such a lull for sales and releases. If by after christmas there's still trouble then it's time to get worried. No good games for months after launch is what always happens with new consoles. It was the same with the 360 and PS3, worse even for the PS3, and for older consoles like the Megadrive and even SNES.

TGS is also coming up and if Nintendo announce something like Monster Hunter on 3DS or a new Dragon Quest then the whole game is changed.

A Monster hunter would be great, but a pokemon game would be a huge helping hand to its sales.Saints row 3 would be great too, that is if it could handle it

Retr0gamer

Jack burton wrote: »

Sorry I've been away for a while fighting demons and trying to find Gracie, what have i missed?

did general retro discussion fill up or somthing?

All threads over 10,000 posts had to be closed. In other words it was too awesome for boards to contain it.

SdoowSirhc wrote: »

A Monster hunter would be great, but a pokemon game would be a huge helping hand to its sales.Saints row 3 would be great too, that is if it could handle it

Pokemon is a long way off.

SdoowSirhc

Retr0gamer wrote: »

All threads over 10,000 posts had to be closed. In other words it was too awesome for boards to contain it.



Pokemon is a long way off.

So is your face:cool:
I knoe, but still.. it's a nice taught for a nintendo fan

SdoowSirhc

Sorry I know this question doesnt belong in this tread (sorry mods) but i don't think i should start a new tread for a quick inquiry:p
you guys play alot of video games, what sorta of melee/magic weapon should a water based character have in there arsenal?

Retr0gamer

SdoowSirhc wrote: »

Sorry I know this question doesnt belong in this tread (sorry mods) but i don't think i should start a new tread for a quick inquiry:p
you guys play alot of video games, what sorta of melee/magic weapon should a water based character have in there arsenal?

Jack burton

SdoowSirhc wrote: »

Sorry I know this question doesnt belong in this tread (sorry mods) but i don't think i should start a new tread for a quick inquiry:p
you guys play alot of video games, what sorta of melee/magic weapon should a water based character have in there arsenal?

definitely, definitely an electricity based weapon. Wont backfire on you at all and sure we all know water and electricity is a cocktail best served cold

SdoowSirhc

Jack burton wrote: »

definitely, definitely an electricity based weapon. Wont backfire on you at all and sure we all know water and electricity is a cocktail best served cold

Ofcourse!:rolleyes:
maybe a seaweed whip

Retr0gamer

There's always Tidus'd watery sword from FFX.

Jack burton

Are you making a game or somthing and looking to find a weapon to break away from the norm or just looking for an typical weapon

SdoowSirhc

Jack burton wrote: »

Are you making a game or somthing and looking to find a weapon to break away from the norm or just looking for an typical weapon

lol
no.
Im not making a game:rolleyes: although I want to go into Game design when I finish school:p
Im just doing a few character designs
I want aa unexpected weapon for him>>>for the forest version of this character he has a warhammer made from a deer leg(inspired from bear gryllss when he used one as a walking stick)

Im doing several forms of the same druid/mage such as forest,water and air

even though i am not really happy with the drawing style i used. Its way too cartoony