Why no ghettos in dublin?

Monty Burnz

COYW wrote: »

Have to agree with you. There is a small minority of scumbags around but I always feel very safe walking through the city at any time of the day or night. Also, when you go abroad to the likes of India, you see what real poverty is.

There's a difference between poor and dangerous (although you may not be implying otherwise). I felt quite safe in - say - Cusco, but the poverty was disturbing.

And I'd characterise the scumbags and drunken non-scumbags in Dublin as a large minority.

Monty Burnz

John_Rambo wrote: »

"my lord" if you think Dublin's cultural enclaves are ghettos that are comparable to Paris, London, Barcelona, Rome etc... you gotta get out of this country for a small trip.

John, the inhabitants don't have to be non-Irish or of non-Irish origin to form a ghetto, so I don't know where you are getting your 'cultural enclaves' from.

mikemac

Try Lego Land OP, Balbriggan

Alopex

multiculturalism is an absolute disaster. don't care what colour you are(and i welcome the hot asian/arab/african genes to our limted island gene pool) but conform to our values and culture or get lost.

unfortunately the eu ensures we must facilitate multiculturalism which always ends up in ghettos. only thing that has stopped it is high house prices in irish cities.

in 20 years you'll you have ghettos and race tensions. of course the multicultural defending useful idiots will blame racism and say we need to be more tolerant.

doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity - will people please look at the history of attempts at multiculturalism

John_Rambo

Monty Burnz wrote: »

John, the inhabitants don't have to be non-Irish or of non-Irish origin to form a ghetto, so I don't know where you are getting your 'cultural enclaves' from.

Hi Monty, I wasn't making a general statement, I was simply answering the OP, he specifically mentions Black and Asian ghettos. I am getting at cultural enclaves from the second post of the thread which idiotically implies that Dublin has ghettos of Black and Asians that are comparable to other large European cities, they are not. Generally, a ghetto is used to describe an overcrowded urban area often associated with a specific ethnic or racial population.

If anyone one thinks Dublin is not safe, they simply haven't been out and about much!

W.Shakes-Beer

Darndale isn't really a ghetto but more like the wild west!

Where lads chase eachother on horses and scramblers, where you can cook a wheely bin over an open fire, the bright stars impossible to see through the thick black smoke, where the odds of you getting rallied over by a stolen Toyota Landcruiser are higher than waking up the next morning.

The wild west is where **** goes down

Monty Burnz

John_Rambo wrote: »

Hi Monty, I wasn't making a general statement, I was simply answering the OP, he specifically mentions Black and Asian ghettos.

Ah, fair enough.

listermint

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I have to say that I think this is total BS. I lived in Dublin for about 7 years, and the place is not safe. I've seen and encountered trouble in Dublin loads of times. I've lived in a few other places, and travelled to a couple of dozen other capitals and I don't know if I'd even have Dublin in the safer half of those.

Hi Monty,

Based on your 'living in dublin for 7 years' and living elsewhere. Can you tell me why you found dublin to be less safe than these places, Also can you tell me where these destinations were ?

Because i tiinkk yor maad blud if you tink daablin is baad san.

Alter-Ego

cournioni wrote: »

There's one in Dundalk beside the cinema hey...

I've always wondered about that place. Is it some sort of refugee re-housing complex?

Monty Burnz

listermint wrote: »

Hi Monty,

Based on your 'living in dublin for 7 years' and living elsewhere. Can you tell me why you found dublin to be less safe than these places, Also can you tell me where these destinations were ?

I found it less safe because of the number of violent or threatening incidents I saw in my time there, and the propensity for it to happen in central areas - you didn't have to seek out bad neighbourhoods. I'm not just talking about skangers - I'm also thinking of the atmosphere in the city on nights out. The amount of scraps and assholes looking for a fight, falling around the place etc. - not good.

I don't want to be too exact about where else I've lived as I appreciate a degree of anonymity here, but I've lived at various times in countries including Germany, Switzerland, Belgium and Argentina. As in lived, not for a holiday. And when I live somewhere, I like to get around and spend time in whatever cities are around, so in Germany for example I've been to Berlin, Cologne, Dusseldorf, Stuttgart, Munich, Essen and probably a couple of other cities for multiple visits in the past 10 years, plus lots of other cities I would only have visited once for a weekend or whatever. In Belgium (where I am now) I've spent considerable time in Antwerp, Ghent and Brussels, plus other cities you may not know like Hasselt and Leuven.

I've travelled fairly widely on hols too - like many people here, I'm not a beach person - I prefer to visit new countries and cities. Racking up cities is almost a hobby. So I'm not comparing Dublin with one or two other places. I don't think it would be an exaggeration to say that I could find my way around by memory if dropped into at least 50 cities around the world. I could sit down and try to figure out a total number for how many I've visited at least once, but it would take quite a while and it wouldn't tell you much of value. Just to give you an idea, I'm leaving Tokyo out of the list of cities I know my way around because I was only there for 3 weeks and it takes longer than that to get to know the place.

py2006

There are no ghettos in Ireland..............YET!!!!!!!!

Ireland is a relatively safe country!!

Dublin is not a safe county relative to the other counties!

Class dismissed!

cosmicfart

dont know about ghettos but we have plenty of 'Chinatowns'

Fratton Fred

John_Rambo wrote: »

Our lack of empirical misadventures is the reason.

Empirical adventures has nothing to do with it, unless Ireland had a colony in China that no one knew about.

The vast majority of migrants are economic and only go where they can earn money. Up until fairly recently there was no point emigrating to Ireland because Ireland was frantically exporting people itself.

Hannibal Smith

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Empirical adventures has nothing to do with it, unless Ireland had a colony in China that no one knew about.

The vast majority of migrants are economic and only go where they can earn money. Up until fairly recently there was no point emigrating to Ireland because Ireland was frantically exporting people itself.

I think John_Rambo said the lack of empirical adventures. Whilst you're right in what you say about the type of immigration we've experienced in recent years, I do think the fact that we didn't have any colonies in the past has something to do with us not having the ghettos you see in other European countries today.

listermint

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I found it less safe because of the number of violent or threatening incidents I saw in my time there, and the propensity for it to happen in central areas - you didn't have to seek out bad neighbourhoods. I'm not just talking about skangers - I'm also thinking of the atmosphere in the city on nights out. The amount of scraps and assholes looking for a fight, falling around the place etc. - not good.

I don't want to be too exact about where else I've lived as I appreciate a degree of anonymity here, but I've lived at various times in countries including Germany, Switzerland, Belgium and Argentina. As in lived, not for a holiday. And when I live somewhere, I like to get around and spend time in whatever cities are around, so in Germany for example I've been to Berlin, Cologne, Dusseldorf, Stuttgart, Munich, Essen and probably a couple of other cities for multiple visits in the past 10 years, plus lots of other cities I would only have visited once for a weekend or whatever. In Belgium (where I am now) I've spent considerable time in Antwerp, Ghent and Brussels, plus other cities you may not know like Hasselt and Leuven.

I've travelled fairly widely on hols too - like many people here, I'm not a beach person - I prefer to visit new countries and cities. Racking up cities is almost a hobby. So I'm not comparing Dublin with one or two other places. I don't think it would be an exaggeration to say that I could find my way around by memory if dropped into at least 50 cities around the world. I could sit down and try to figure out a total number for how many I've visited at least once, but it would take quite a while and it wouldn't tell you much of value. Just to give you an idea, I'm leaving Tokyo out of the list of cities I know my way around because I was only there for 3 weeks and it takes longer than that to get to know the place.

I appreciate your response. Thank you. having only less then half of those destinations I cannot comment on these cities.

But I will say that safety is relative as in. I felt extremely unsafe in LA not for any apparent reason or any pre-existing notions of the city but it just felt wrong.

This has to be the only city i have visited where I genuinely didnt like. Dublin fits my safety scale quite well.

Monty Burnz

listermint wrote: »

I appreciate your response. Thank you. having only less then half of those destinations I cannot comment on these cities.

But I will say that safety is relative as in. I felt extremely unsafe in LA not for any apparent reason or any pre-existing notions of the city but it just felt wrong.

This has to be the only city i have visited where I genuinely didnt like. Dublin fits my safety scale quite well.

That's fair enough. Let's be clear: I'm not making out that I walk around Dublin bricking it - I don't, I will walk anywhere (within reason) at any time of the day. But I'm not going to pretend or claim either that Dublin is a particularly safe city in the way that Zurich or Tokyo are.

Monty Burnz

Hannibal Smith wrote: »

I think John_Rambo said the lack of empirical adventures. Whilst you're right in what you say about the type of immigration we've experienced in recent years, I do think the fact that we didn't have any colonies in the past has something to do with us not having the ghettos you see in other European countries today.

Sorry, I've got to address this:

Empirical: denotes information gained by means of observation or experiments.
Imperial: pertaining to empires.

*takes off pedant hat*

Carry on.

John_Rambo

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Empirical: denotes information gained by means of observation or experiments.
Imperial: pertaining to empires.

Oops... I meant Imperial.

Seriously lads, spend a day knocking around the Neukölln district in Berlin or Villiers-le-Bel in Paris and tell me Dublin's suburbs are tough.

amacachi

jimpump wrote: »

you really need to grow a set of balls pal, along with all the other spineless boards members who are scared of your own shadows

Lol.

Ray Palmer

Dublin is a safe city by comparison to many cities it is simply a fact. People with chips on their shoulders about always disliking the capital just love to talk about their hate.

There are ghetto areas in the country where people have little chance of ever moving up the social ladder.

What is interesting from a social commentary point of view is people from such areas talk about how they are ignored. Not having a racial element to claim the reason for it they use the same terms as other people who can use a racial slant.

" The government don't care about us"

" Their is prejudice against us"

The reality is there are poverty traps in most countries and the poor and ill educated will suffer. It is very easy to spot a person in Ireland who is likely to act in an anti-social way, poorly educated and general scumbag attitude. Luckily the race element hasn't come into it here yet but I just think when race is an element people think it is all about race when it isn't.

longhalloween

Ever been to Mosney?

barnacle

Skerries is quite the ghetto too!

Tobyglen

CiaranC wrote: »

Considering I was born there, yes.


Are you taking the piss? Even after the economic crash Dublin has one of the highest GDP per capitas on earth.


It doesnt have a particularly high level of problem drug use.
http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/stats11/pdutab1a

I meant poorest as in a dump. It's filty in places & had a load of scumbags trawling the city. It's a desperate city for seeing/doing things. Guinness museum & a knees up is about it.
I also lived in Tallaght & it's reminiscent of a slum in areas.

wolf moon

jimpump wrote: »

it is actually one of the reasons dublin is probably one of the safest places to live in europe

:pac::pac::pac:

Monty Burnz

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Dublin is a safe city by comparison to many cities it is simply a fact. People with chips on their shoulders about always disliking the capital just love to talk about their hate.

And that it is less safe than other cities is also a fact. The point of dispute is how far along the line to either extreme Dublin is.

I've certainly no chip on my shoulder regarding the city I was born in, lived in, and plan to buy a home in in the future.

philologos

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Dublin is a safe city by comparison to many cities it is simply a fact. People with chips on their shoulders about always disliking the capital just love to talk about their hate.

I don't know. If I was to give an example off the top of my head I haven't been in very many cities where drug addiction is as overt as in Dublin.

My travels are by and large limited to varying parts of Europe and the US but still.

wixfjord

Iliana Ancient Spokesman wrote: »

And take it from a guy who has served in war torn cities which were safer than Dublin - Dublin is a dangerous kip.

What a load of absolute bollocks.

If this isn't sarcasm, this is an idiotic thing to say.
Dublin City mod my arse :rolleyes:

Killer Pigeon

One word; Balbriggan. Some of the more racist locals are beginning to call it "Black-briggan". This isn't coming from me.

annascott

jimpump wrote: »

unlike most large cities in europe,we dont have any large mainly black/asian areas like peckham,brixton etc. in London.

it is actually one of the reasons dublin is probably one of the safest places to live in europe IMO.

it is obvious that multiculturalism has failed in europe like in countries such as england,france,holland,belgium etc.

ireland has thankfully avoided the situation england is in at the minute

:eek::eek::eek:

John_Rambo

Tobyglen wrote: »

Guinness museum & a knees up is about it.
I also lived in Tallaght & it's reminiscent of a slum in areas.

Any other places you know fookall about you want to tell us about?

wixfjord wrote: »

What a load of absolute bollocks

Agreed Wixfjord, Makikomi, if that's your limited view of the city, you obviously don't know it and it will be hard to take anything you say seriously on the Dublin City forum. Fair enough if you spend your nights taxiing and bouncering with the dregs, most of us don't and we enjoy what the city has to offer.