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Half-baked Republican Presidential Fruitcakes (and fellow confections)

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    #2192
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Bachmann is one of those peculiar American pentecostal protestants who get into politics on god's behalf, because they believe in dominion theology.
    They are normally obsessed with "the Holy Land" as having some special significance (along with the USA) in god's master plan.

    Unlike the traditional RCC view which was negative towards jews and blamed them for killing Jesus, they exhibit a fawning admiration for zionism and Israel.

    When in power, they devote as much of the US's resources to defending Israel's interests as to their own country.

    They hate Iran and the Palestinians, because these are seen as the enemy of Israel. They won't say a word against Saudi Arabia though, even though no other country in the world has done more to export Salafist terrorism around the globe.

    If they shifted their support from Saudi to Iran, the world would be a much safer place, but in their worldview, they can't see that.


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    #2193
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Small beer in the greater scheme of things, but Trump licensed his name to a multilevel vitamin-related marketing scam, pretended to be fully onboard, then dropped it like a hot potato when the license expired:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/23/the-trump-network-sought-to-make-people-rich-but-left-behind-disappointment/


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    #2194
    recedite
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    Oh, my god, people cried when they heard it was him,” says Jenna Knudsen, who worked as a high-ranking saleswoman for Ideal Health at the time. “They cried and looked at each other and said, ‘We’re going to be millionaires!’ ” Knudsen and her colleagues sold customized vitamins and other health products as part of a controversial business model known as multilevel marketing, in which companies pay salespeople commissions for selling products and recruiting more representatives.
    Can't say I feel much sympathy for salespeople who don't make as much money selling crap as they thought they were going to.


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    #2195
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    recedite wrote: »
    Can't say I feel much sympathy for salespeople who don't make as much money selling crap as they thought they were going to.
    While it might undermine the forum's libertarians' belief in a continuously and infinitely rational public, unfortunately, reality suggests there are, in fact, a lot of people out there who are unable, emotionally or intellectually, to make rational decisions about their own future.

    Charlatans like Trump make a good living from deceiving them, hence the occasional law enacted to protect them.


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    #2196
    JPNelsforearm
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    robindch wrote: »
    While it might undermine the forum's libertarians' belief in a continuously and infinitely rational public, unfortunately, reality suggests there are, in fact, a lot of people out there who are unable, emotionally or intellectually, to make rational decisions about their own future.

    Charlatans like Trump make a good living from deceiving them, hence the occasional law enacted to protect them.
    I dont think you can accuse Trump in this one, he's guilty of being a rapacious capitalist and leveraging his brand/name to maximise revenue, but he didnt actually run the "company".

    I dont suppose you've heard of Herbalife? Probably the biggest and most successful of the "MLM" aka ponzi/pyramid schemes ever. Plenty of big wheel stockmarket guys are invested heavily in its success, eg George Soros. MLM aka ponzi companies are mainstream, now if Trump the politician was using his leverage as a political figure to sell whatever crap product the MLM company was using for their scam, you could rightfully pin it on him. As it is, he was just engaging in regular everyday capitalism.


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    #2197
    recedite
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    robindch wrote: »
    a lot of people out there who are unable, emotionally or intellectually, to make rational decisions about their own future..
    Yes, but the "duty of care" is less for sales professionals and investors than it is for the ordinary public who might be buying the products. I know that investors and professionals are people too, but they are expected to be a bit more savvy than the ordinary public when it comes to business decisions.

    The Washington Post article seems to be current but refers back to 2009. It smacks of mudslinging IMO. They must be getting desperate if that's the only "mud" they can come up with.


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    #2198
    Igotadose
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    Hey, they've arrested Trump's campaign manager for assault on a Breitbart reporter. Amusing at so many levels.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/29/politics/trump-campaign-manager-charged-with-simple-battery/index.html

    As for stuff about Trump, if he's the nominee, just wait. Taxes, anyone? 2 ex-wives? A third one that poses nude for GQ? All great fodder for the reality TV that's this years election. Just need Trump to recruit reality star Tila Tequila to be a spokesdroid...


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    #2199
    robdonn
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    If Trump gets elected, which he won't, he'll probably be the catalyst for the largest bipartisan action in congress in a long time - his impeachment.


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    #2200
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,463 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Not specifically Trump, but very much dealing with right wing misinformation from the republic side using think tanks and the media

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3771626/

    Trailer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh3TeTxgNVo


    Just watching it this evening,


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    #2201
    robindch
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    Cabaal wrote: »
    Just watching it this evening,
    Any good? Required watching for Popette, I'd have thought :o


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    #2202
    Custardpi
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    That looks interesting, where can I see it? Is it available online?


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    #2203
    Delirium
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    :pac:
    https://twitter.com/Kia_Mak/status/717379359993118720

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #2204
    The Randy Riverbeast
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    Delirium wrote: »
    :pac:
    https://twitter.com/Kia_Mak/status/717379359993118720

    With it being her I could very well believe that there were no mistakes there.


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    #2205
    robindch
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    The gloves seem to be coming off in the Republican party with the former Speaker of the House of Representatives, John Boehner, calling Ted Cruz - wait for it - "Lucifer in the flesh":

    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36163188


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    #2206
    meeeeh
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    Trump is getting all the headlines but I find Cruz way more scary prospect. Trump doesn't believe half of the nonsense he is saying but Cruz does. I would guess that between two of them Trump is the saner option.


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    #2207
    oscarBravo
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    ...Trump is the saner option.

    I never thought I'd live to see a universe where that phrase makes sense in any sentence.


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    #2208
    KingBrian2
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    Trump did really well last night and over the previous months. He has got to receive a lot of support from the delegates after all this.


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    #2209
    Links234
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    Ted Cruz is the far scarier option. Even if Trump does believe half the **** he says, it's still all bluster and hot air.


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    #2210
    KingBrian2
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    Trump attracts the frightened voter why do so many people find that hard to believe?


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    #2211
    oscarBravo
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    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Trump attracts the frightened voter why do so many people find that hard to believe?

    I've heard that one a few times now. When did Americans get so scared that their most important decisions are informed by fear rather than logic or reason?


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    #2212
    PopePalpatine
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    Probably the Red Scare? :pac:


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    #2213
    KingBrian2
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    Americas always seem to lurch from one extreme position to another. They either go for full on intervention or else total isolation. The never stop and reassess the world and their place in the world. Reorganise their efforts towards diplomacy and cooperating with long lost allies and prevent a lot of the large scale abuses that occur across the world.


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    #2214
    Lurkio
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    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Probably the Red Scare? :pac:

    It seemed to be implied it was more brown this time round.


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    #2215
    meeeeh
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    It's people who are disillusioned with official politics. Trump and Sanders are the closes to independents Americans will get. (And how many independents were elected in Ireland). The professionals in new industries might not be affected but there is a whole cohort of people who used to matter but are now languishing in dying industries. Trump might be the wrong answer but he is also the only one who speaks to that group of people. I don't think he has a snowball's chance in hell to win against Hilary but that doesn't mean issues his supporters face are any less valid. And neither they should be just dismissed as dumb white trash.


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    #2216
    Hotblack Desiato
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    oscarBravo wrote: »
    I've heard that one a few times now. When did Americans get so scared that their most important decisions are informed by fear rather than logic or reason?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGYFRzf2Xww

    There is no future for Boards as long as it stays on the complete toss that is the Vanilla "platform", we've given those Canadian twats far more chances than they deserve.



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    #2217
    JPNelsforearm
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    double post


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    #2218
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    This is what happens when your cuckservative media empire has been decimated by Donald Trump
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIKhr158cD4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRPMaaNfjy0


    Counting down the days until Cruz is BTFO and Beck finally becomes fully unhinged.


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    #2219
    oscarBravo
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    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    ...cuckservative....

    What?


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    #2220
    Lurkio
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    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    This is what happens when your cuckservative media empire has............

    What sad pit in the internet did you drag that one from?


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    #2221
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    What?
    Its the insult/label du jure of 2016, for those who use nationalism/conservatism as a badge of convenience for their true political beliefs, which in Glenn Becks case, are religious mania/zionism, far more cutting then the usual RINO(Republican in name only). Essentially a sham conservative.


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