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NO NO NO Schools have to include religion classes, forum told

the culture of deference · 2011-06-24 11:05:00

Prof John Coolahan said that “it would appear the State is prohibited” from allowing non-religious schools. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0624/1224299524995.html IT IS not possible under current legislation for a school in the Republic to be religion-free, educationalists were told yesterday. Prof…

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#932 06-07-2011 3:10pm
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MrPudding wrote: »

I absolutely despise the catholic church,

An excellent argument for you not being allowed to have power over Catholics.

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#933 06-07-2011 3:11pm
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crucamim wrote: »

An excellent argument for you not being allowed to have power over Catholics.

I don't want power over catholics...

MrP

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#934 06-07-2011 3:13pm
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crucamim wrote: »

When or where did I state that "all non-Catholic are out to get Catholic children"? Please stick to facts.

when you described people supporting secularism as anti-Catholic, many of whom are Catholic. You never refer to non-Catholics as anything other than anti-Catholic, and then you're suprised when people presume you view all non-Catholics as out to get Catholic children?

If you can read this, you're too close!

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#935 06-07-2011 3:31pm
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crucamim wrote: »

I believe that Catholic schools should [...] employ only practising Catholics [...] to keep Catholics safe.

Have you not heard about the clerical abuse scandal?

Are you living on the same planet as the rest of us?

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#936 06-07-2011 3:40pm
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crucamim wrote: »

Well said. I believe that Catholic schools should exclude all non-Catholci students and should employ only practising Catholics. That is the whole point of Catholic schools - to keep Catholics safe.

This of course isn't going to happen and the trend is in the opposite direction.
You need a Plan B.

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#937 06-07-2011 5:18pm
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Maybe what crucamim wants is only a temporary measure until the Starship arrives to take them all away?

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#938 06-07-2011 8:29pm
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Zillah wrote: »

I'm not sure you got the purpose of the comic.

I took it at face value and obviously interpreted it differently..... enlighten me!

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#939 06-07-2011 8:39pm
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Dades wrote: »

Agreed. Access all areas = all schools secular.

I only care about moving religion class from school hours. Honestly, it's not that difficult to just do proper education during the day and allow RE to be taught after the bell to those whose parents want it.

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The CEO of Educate Together has stated that very, very few parents in Ireland want their kids educated in a non belief system. Following on, would it not seem reasonable to exempt from RE those that wished to be, as opposed to holding a huge majority back when the 3pm bell tolls....:)

And sure all the parents need their chat in the schoolyard at the same time !

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#940 06-07-2011 9:01pm
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Mistress 69 wrote: »

Following on, would it not seem reasonable to exempt from RE those that wished to be, as opposed to holding a huge majority back when the 3pm bell tolls....:)!

Just my gut feeling, but I'd imagine that getting all the non-christian kids to stand up and leave the room during the day would be a very good way to single those kids out for school yard bullying.

Additionally the majority opinion is that there is no problem with RE so long as that's what it is, educating kids about religions, after all a lot of people believe this stuff so it's useful for the kids to know, but it should be all religions and not just catholicism (hopefully all religions are covered now, back in my day it was just catholicism and that protestants were wrong in some non-descript way) . What is objectionably is the religious indoctrination that is currently taught or the teaching of morality in a purely religious context.

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#941 07-07-2011 9:55am
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Knasher wrote: »

Just my gut feeling, but I'd imagine that getting all the non-christian kids to stand up and leave the room during the day would be a very good way to single those kids out for school yard bullying.

Additionally the majority opinion is that there is no problem with RE so long as that's what it is, educating kids about religions, after all a lot of people believe this stuff so it's useful for the kids to know, but it should be all religions and not just catholicism (hopefully all religions are covered now, back in my day it was just catholicism and that protestants were wrong in some non-descript way) . What is objectionably is the religious indoctrination that is currently taught or the teaching of morality in a purely religious context.

Regardless of the current topic school bullying exists and it is the duty of the school to deal with that, which to their credit lots of schools do. Granted, it is an issue and I had not thought about it.I know that the RE class for primary schools is department issue and very basic stuff tailored for kids and there is probably very little point in trying to educate 7 year olds in other religions. I think most parents would agree with that. Morality in my view is not dependent on religion and the kids will develop their own sense of morality based on lots of factors.

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#942 07-07-2011 8:37pm
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crucamim is certifiably a troll as far as I see it.

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#943 07-07-2011 9:18pm
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philologos wrote: »

crucamim is certifiably a troll as far as I see it.

Nah-ah, he's one of yours like it or lump it! :P

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#944 07-07-2011 9:57pm
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CerebralCortex wrote: »

Nah-ah, he's one of yours like it or lump it! :P

Are you REALLY trying your damnest to get Philogos to remind us of Jobee?

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#945 07-07-2011 10:18pm
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philologos wrote: »

crucamim is certifiably a troll as far as I see it.

He wants to be safe from the anti-Catholics. No trolling there, unfortunately

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#946 07-07-2011 10:27pm
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CerebralCortex wrote: »

Nah-ah, he's one of yours like it or lump it! :P

As long as you have rohatch and as Malty T has suggested jobee I'm fine with that :pac:

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#947 07-07-2011 10:46pm
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philologos wrote: »

As long as you have rohatch and as Malty T has suggested jobee I'm fine with that :pac:

Who is/was rohatch?

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#948 07-07-2011 10:49pm
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CiaranMT wrote: »

Who is/was rohatch?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/member.php?u=286351

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#949 07-07-2011 11:01pm
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CiaranMT wrote: »

Who is/was rohatch?

Who wasn't rohatch? :pac:

Although in fairness to them Dades and robindch dealt with him, although sometimes I wish they hadn't

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#950 07-07-2011 11:07pm
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Woah! Before my time, unfortunately

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#951 08-07-2011 3:32pm
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philologos wrote: »

Who wasn't rohatch? :pac:

Although in fairness to them Dades and robindch dealt with him, although sometimes I wish they hadn't

I was actually trying to remember rohatches name to include with Jobee:D

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#952 09-07-2011 2:01am
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philologos wrote: »

Who wasn't rohatch? :pac:

Although in fairness to them Dades and robindch dealt with him, although sometimes I wish they hadn't

Ooh my ..Philologos Is that a

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#953 10-07-2011 11:21pm
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Schools in Canada allow in religious preachers, because "freedom of religion" trumps the Education Act:

http://www.parentcentral.ca/parent/education/article/1022385--board-runs-afoul-of-education-act-with-prayer-services

Menstruating schoolgirls, down the back plz.

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#954 11-07-2011 2:35pm
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Crucamim, do you also think there should be "whites only" schools?

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#955 11-07-2011 2:37pm
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I would guess only if they are catholic whites...

MrP

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#956 11-07-2011 2:50pm
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robindch wrote: »

Schools in Canada allow in religious preachers, because "freedom of religion" trumps the Education Act:
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I guess "freedom from religion" doesn't trump it :rolleyes:

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#957 11-07-2011 3:18pm
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liamw wrote: »

I guess "freedom from religion" doesn't trump it :rolleyes:

One can only hope!

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#958 11-07-2011 3:43pm
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achtungbarry wrote: »

Crucamim, do you also think there should be "whites only" schools?

gvn wrote: »

How about sending black children to one school and white children to another?

I can't see a distinction between a) sending children of different ethnicity to different schools, and b) sending children to different schools because of the beliefs of their parents.

On what basis can you say that a) is right and b) is wrong?

crucamim wrote: »

They would both be right.

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