After Hours, one and only Queen thread

Funkfield

Richard wrote: »

I there a link to this - I'd like a listen. How many did the person get?

http://www.fm104.ie/on-air/listen-live.aspx

Miguel_Sanchez

Mark200 wrote: »

:pac:

I know! It's such a historic day! First time for everything and all that.

dj jarvis

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Over on the politics forum

lol , rural resettlement program , ah bless

The King of Moo

If these protesters hate Britain, why don't they fly over to London tomorrow and take over the place?
Both the Queen and the Prime Minister will be over here. They'll be sitting ducks!!

Dionysus

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Eh, no. Ya know, there are two types of republicans. There are the people of the Irish Republic....

Where is this "Irish Republic"?

Is it here or here? Despite innumerable ill-informed British media claims to the contrary, it can't be both.

Liam Byrne

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

And what makes your definition the correct one compared to the other million or so definitions of what a "true republican" is that I have heard over the years?

Because hypocrisy is pathetic and because if someone truly believes in freedom one doesn't set out to injure or murder others.

I respect opposing views, however someone's view must be consistent; e.g. If someone believes in an eye for an eye they can't complain when someone takes their eye out......if someone claims there was a war on they can't complain if an army then acts like there's a war on.....if someone genuinely objects to bombs murdering citizens in Dublin & Monaghan then they unequivocally cannot support putting them there themselves like this week.

Badgermonkey

dj jarvis wrote: »

lol , rural resettlement program , ah bless

Plantation of Bluster morelike.

Judgement Day

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

http://dottal.org/nazi_roots_of_the_house_of_windsor.htm

Philip is also on the record expressing his admiration for the Nazi regime. Of course that was pre the outbreak of WW2.

Your clutching at straws now. It was the Duke of Windsor that admired National Socialism before WW II not the Duke of Edinburgh and he was hardly responsible for the actions of other members of his family living in different countries. It's like blaming the Pope for being in the Hitler Youth, when the reality is that he had no other choice! Anyway, you have moved the goal posts, as you stated this 'I don't think she minds tbh.. After all, Philip liked to hang out with the SS so she mustn't be too particular about the company she keeps.'

LighterGuy

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Because hypocrisy is pathetic and because if someone truly believes in freedom one doesn't set out to injure or murder others.

I respect opposing views, however someone's view must be consistent; e.g. If someone believes in an eye for an eye they can't complain when someone takes their eye out......if someone claims there was a war on they can't complain if an army then acts like there's a war on.....if someone genuinely objects to bombs murdering citizens in Dublin & Monaghan then they unequivocally cannot support putting them there themselves like this week.

Interesting post. While I do agree, however 99.9% of people in life are hypocrites. The only difference is how much of a hypocrite a person is compared to the next.

and (2)
As silly as it may sound but the best quote about freedom is from rambo 4:


christian volunteer: "...we wanna go up river to help change peoples lives"
Rambo: "..Are you bringing in any weapons?"
christian volunteer: "Of course not"
Rambo: "you're not changing anything"

Lets be honest. How much freedom in this world has been achieved with a protest?

Wolfe Tone

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Because hypocrisy is pathetic and because if someone truly believes in freedom one doesn't set out to injure or murder others.

Sometimes you have to fight for freedom Liam.

I respect opposing views, however someone's view must be consistent; e.g. If someone believes in an eye for an eye they can't complain when someone takes their eye out......if someone claims there was a war on they can't complain if an army then acts like there's a war on.....if someone genuinely objects to bombs murdering citizens in Dublin & Monaghan then they unequivocally cannot support putting them there themselves like this week.

I've come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a "true republican". That means different things to different people.

Under your definition nearly everyone who ever called themselves a republican isn't. Under RSFs everyone except those who fill up their phonebox are not republicans.

When I use the term "republican" I use it as an umbrella term to describe those who wish to see a 32 country republic based on the 1916 proclamation. After that you have a million different varieties. Constitutional republicans etc etc etc

Xivilai

Checked a couple of American News sites and they give some nice coverage to the protestors :rolleyes:

gigino

they call the protestors the mad Irish.

A pity as our tourism industry could do with all the help it could get. The UK is our biggest tourist market, but visitors from there have been falling steadily for the last 4 years ...we have a chance to showcase the country + what do we do ?

Wolfe Tone

Dionysus wrote: »

Where is this "Irish Republic"?

Is it here or here? Despite innumerable ill-informed British media claims to the contrary, it can't be both.

If its the former does the governmental authority lie with the CIRA like RSF claim?

Liam Byrne

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Sometimes you have to fight for freedom Liam.

I've come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a "true republican". That means different things to different people.

Under your definition nearly everyone who ever called themselves a republican isn't. Under RSFs everyone except those who fill up their phonebox are not republicans.

When I use the term "republican" I use it as an umbrella term to describe those who wish to see a 32 country republic based on the 1916 proclamation. After that you have a million different varieties. Constitutional republicans etc etc etc

I once called myself one until it was made a dirty word by those people.

That's why I choose to distinguish between the two using inverted commas and the prefix "so-called".

The moment someone murders an innocent person they lose my support, and those who excuse those ultimately at fault by throwing the blame elsewhere for "not acting on warnings" lose my ear and my respect.....no bomb = no need for a warning. The blood of innocents is on their hands.

Whatever about being disgusted by that, the joke is that the same people blame the Brits for every single thing they do and don't even bother checking if there's a parallel argument; no, "Brits bad, IRA angels" is their deluded mantra.

You can decide yourself if you fit that description.

Let's just say for a second that we believe that today's objection was down to those murdered in the Dublin & Monaghan bombings.....

Let's also say that one of the bombs this weekend went off......

Would those against the British Queen today be against their own future visits to Dublin ?

Would we - under their future narrow-minded all-Ireland state, be allowed to protest against THEIR visit?

Or would that protest be somehow "unpatriotic" ?

Wolfe Tone

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I once called myself one until it was made a dirty word by those people.

That's why I choose to distinguish between the two using inverted commas and the prefix "so-called".

The moment someone murders an innocent person they lose my support, and those who excuse those ultimately at fault by throwing the blame elsewhere for "not acting on warnings" lose my ear and my respect.....no bomb = no need for a warning. The blood of innocents is on their hands.

Whatever about being disgusted by that, the joke is that the same people blame the Brits for every single thing they do and don't even bother checking if there's a parallel argument; no, "Brits bad, IRA angels" is their deluded mantra.

You can decide yourself if you fit that description.

Let's just say for a second that we believe that today's objection was down to those murdered in the Dublin & Monaghan bombings.....

Let's also say that one of the bombs this weekend went off......

Would those against the British Queen today be against their own future visits to Dublin ?

Would we - under their future narrow-minded all-Ireland state, be allowed to protest against THEIR visit?

Or would that protest be somehow "unpatriotic" ?

So Liam, historically speaking, in your book, who was a republican?

Jimmy Garlic

Judgement Day wrote: »

Your clutching at straws now. It was the Duke of Windsor that admired National Socialism before WW II not the Duke of Edinburgh

My mistake, it was only a few years ago when Philip aired his views about his family and their Nazi past..

Prince Philip has broken a 60-year public silence about his family's links with the Nazis.
In a frank interview, he said they found Hitler's attempts to restore Germany's power and prestige 'attractive' and admitted they had 'inhibitions about the Jews'.
The revelations come in a book about German royalty kowtowing to the Nazis, which features photographs never published in the UK.
They include one of Philip aged 16 at the 1937 funeral of his elder sister Cecile, flanked by relatives in SS and Brownshirt uniforms.
One row back in the cortege in Darmstadt, western Germany, was his uncle, Lord Mountbatten, wearing a Royal Navy bicorn hat.
Another picture shows his youngest sister, Sophia, sitting opposite Hitler at the wedding of Hermann and Emmy Goering.
Explaining the attraction of the Nazis, 84-year-old Prince Philip told an American academic: "There was a great improvement in things like trains running on time and building. There was a sense of hope after the depressing chaos of the Weimar Republic.
"I can understand people latching on to something or somebody who appeared to be appealing to their patriotism and trying to get things going. You can understand how attractive it was."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-379036/Prince-Philip-pictured-Nazi-funeral.html#ixzz1MeW6PRXT

holyhead

Interesting point made tonight on TV3. Basically what was said was that the Queen was acknowledging and commerating those who fought against the rule of the monarchy by laying the wreath in the garden of rememberance.
Nearly punch my telly though. There was a one on from the people before profit alliance. She simply couldn't see that this visit was a significant one in terms of history or symbolism. Whinged about the cost. I think we don't need visitors to waste our own money. E voting springs to mind. Plus the tourist spin off is potential enormous. PR you simply cannot buy. Hope no more violent protests.
The point about the Dublin/Monaghan bombings is interesting. I think fault for the timing lies more on our side than the UK. We could have postponed the visit for maybe a fortnight. Plus the Irish government apparently have files which they refuse to release on some spurious security grounds.
Ulick, can't remember his surname, made a good point. The British PM apologized unreservedly for the carnage of Bloody Sunday and the British Government spend millions into revisiting the events in terms of a report.

donfers

Wheelie King wrote: »

Terrible smell of elitism in this thread.

i have scanned through a few pages and that's my take on it

people have the right to protest (peacefully)

people have the right to criticise protesters who don't do so peacefully


but on almost every page there are references to skangers, Celtic jerseys, scumbags, junkies, bad haircuts, ugly people, poor fashion sense, social welfare spongers, pyjamas etc etc

to be honest you may be embarrassed by the conduct of some of the protesters - that's fine, but many many many of the posts in this thread are critical of the look/appearance of the protesters and these kinds of posts are also a huge embarrassment if you ask me. The self-proclaimed intellectual elite sneering at the proles beneath them, so cool and detached and above all those futile ill-considered working-class ideals. The stench of cheap populist snobbery is all over this thread and is as embarrassing as anything witnessed in Dublin city today if you ask me.

Cool_CM

LighterGuy wrote: »

christian volunteer: "...we wanna go up river to help change peoples lives"
Rambo: "..Are you bringing in any weapons?"
christian volunteer: "Of course not"
Rambo: "you're not changing anything"

Lets be honest. How much freedom in this world has been achieved with a protest?

Great Rambo quote! But you don't always need weapons to achieve freedom.

steve9859

Jimmygarlic: That is hardly particularly controversial. The whole of Germany latched onto hitler as a beacon of hope after a desperate depression. It was only later that their nastiness became apparent. In 1937 the nazis weren't in full ethnic cleansing mode. Some people are talking about the risk of the same thing happening now - the rise of previously peripheral political movements due to our own great depression. please don't tell me you have posted that in an effort to portray Philip as a hardcore nazi!!

No1J

gigino wrote: »

they call the protestors the mad Irish.

A pity as our tourism industry could do with all the help it could get. The UK is our biggest tourist market, but visitors from there have been falling steadily for the last 4 years ...we have a chance to showcase the country + what do we do ?

The people organising the trouble today love to see the country doing badly. When the Tiger was purring even these dopes could get jobs but now idle hands etc. The leaders use these events for recruiting as the dopes see other people working and feel hard done by so blame somebody, how about the Queen.

Liam Byrne

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

So Liam, historically speaking, in your book, who was a republican?

I asked my questions first.

El Horseboxo

Anyone from england or anywhere else in the world were going to come here regardless of this visit or not. There will be no jump in tourist numbers. Now if she had of visited a year or two after the GFA it may have assured some english people that it was safe to visit. But they have known here is safe to visit for a long ass time now. The downturn in tourism is due to people being broke. I'm sure Spain could report that tourism from the Irish was down last year. And i would understand that as less than half of my friends went on their usual summer trip there as they couldn't afford it. Inviting the Irish president over to Spain wouldn't magically increase the number of Irish tourists visiting their country again. The tourist angle is just a load of bollix in part of justifying the visit.

Wolfe Tone

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I asked my questions first.

Why are you asking me?
For one their objection to this visit was not based on that bombing and you well know it.

No need to be childish, I was just wondering who you would regard as a republican.

harney

Long thread, and the search tool may have missed this, but what was with that tool from the Sunday world? The first question asked, as far as I can tell, to William Hague: should we change to sterling? I hope the years studying for a degree in journalism were worth it

Liam Byrne

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Why are you asking me?
For one their objection to this visit was not based on that bombing and you well know it.

No need to be childish, I was just wondering who you would regard as a republican.

Because you queried my definition of a republican.

So if your definition is to have credibility, you must have the answers to those questions.

Challenging a view to test its consistency is far from childish; in fact, I doubt a child would even understand the concept.

Ricardo G

We should replace all those protesters with one MAN............CHUCK NORRIS !!

''Why did the Queen cross the road??
To get away from Chuck norris !!

Wolfe Tone

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Because you queried my definition of a republican.

So if your definition is to have credibility, you must have the answers to those questions.

Challenging a view to test its consistency is far from childish; in fact, I doubt a child would even understand the concept.

I didn't say yours was wrong, I just outlined what I defined as a republican. And now I am wondering who you point to as being a republican. I know who I do, I'm just wondering who you feel is a republican.

BeeJazizWafuls

I forgot it was Queen Elizabeth II that took over our country. That's why we all hate her isn't it? Should have sabotaged the royal wedding too, cos Prince William was over here ****ing **** up. Face the facts. And half the people who are writing comments about the Queen are complete hypocrites. " I HATE THE BRITISH MONARCHY, and I'm gonna give out ****e about it while I wear my Arsenal/Liverpool/Chelsea/United jersey, also while thanking the English for giving us 12 points in the Eurovision" W*nkers. I'd f**king finger the Queen. Lovely lady.

Standard Toaster

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