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Will The Queen Apologize for the Past?

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    #62
    youtheman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭youtheman


    cosanostra wrote: »
    I hope she makes a heartfelt apology it might bring some closure to the whole conflict thing and allow people to move on!

    I think this is a gas notion. Imagine Paddy ringing his friend :

    " Mick, did you hear the news".
    " Wha, did we win the lottery in work ?."
    " Shag that - no, even better, Lizzie made an apology ".
    " You're not fu***ng serious".
    " Yes, and do you know what that means ? "
    " Not really !!!"

    " CLOSURE "

    " I can't believe it, I'm speechless. How do we follow that ?"


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    #63
    lcrcboy
    Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭lcrcboy


    orourkeda wrote: »
    No.

    Get over it.

    I did not state an opinion in either direction so your point has no meaning


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    #64
    annascott
    Registered Users Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭annascott


    I don't think that she has anything to apologise for. I find it quite annoying when heads of state 'apologise' for things that they personally didn't have any control over.


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    #65
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Im not hung up on history but an apology is needed. Im not against her visit nor would I want more than an apology. Im happy that were building bonds with the British by showing them the bueaty of our Island.

    I hope she does. Personally I don't want her here and would (physically) turn my back to her if I she passed me by.


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    #66
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    annascott wrote: »
    I don't think that she has anything to apologise for. I find it quite annoying when heads of state 'apologise' for things that they personally didn't have any control over.

    She won't be apologising herself. She will be apologising as a representative of Britain. For the thuggery perpetrated on the Irish people down through the centuries.


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    #67
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Im sorry for the conlict between our two nations Im sorry for any suffering of irish people because of their religion, nationality or race under british rule would be an excellent one.
    +1 to that.


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    #68
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    I hope she does, it can only be positive.


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    #69
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    We should apologise for kidnapping St Patrick when he was just a young fella, and she in turn should apologise for him coming back to spread christianity - look at the mess it got us all in.


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    #70
    Dogdaysareover
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭Dogdaysareover


    The past is the past is the past is the past etc............


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    #71
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    RMD wrote: »
    she'll have to say something, whether at her own will or heckling from journalists or the like. .

    I sincerely doubt that the Irish media will heckle her somehow. They'll be too busy labelling everyone who is even the slightest bit indifferent to, or not bothered by the visit as "dissidents".


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    #72
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    PeterIanStaker wrote: »
    I sincerely doubt that the Irish media will heckle her somehow. They'll be too busy labelling everyone who is even the slightest bit indifferent to, or not bothered by the visit as "dissidents".

    Vincent browne could heckle her :P


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    #73
    Predator_
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    A real apology would involve removing British soldiers from Irish land.


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    #74
    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Vincent browne could heckle her :P

    NEWS JUST IN: Vincent Browne is a baby murdering provo dissident apologist - Sunday Indo.


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    #75
    CitizenKeane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭CitizenKeane


    PeterIanStaker wrote: »
    I sincerely doubt that the Irish media will heckle her somehow. They'll be too busy labelling everyone who is even the slightest bit indifferent to, or not bothered by the visit as "dissidents".

    And 'living in the past'....
    The media love to trot out that we have 'matured as a nation' when they are giddy with excitement over the Queen's visit (or any Irish-British event).
    In fact, it's a sign of immaturity.
    If we were mature, we wouldn't be particularly bothered either way about the visit of a neighbouring Head of State.


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    #76
    m@cc@
    Registered Users Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Will the IRA apologise what they did to Lord Mountbatten?

    Do you think the IRA and the head of the British state are comparable?


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    #77
    CitizenKeane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭CitizenKeane


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    Do you think the IRA and the head of the British state are comparable?

    Exactly, the IRA were not representatives of the Irish state or an official state organisation.
    That's like expecting the Queen to apologise for murders of Billy Wright and the UVF - nobody expects that.


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    #78
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users Posts: 23,984 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    I hope she does. Personally I don't want her here and would (physically) turn my back to her if I she passed me by.

    She'll probably be glad to see the back of you.:P


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    #79
    upandcumming
    Registered Users Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭upandcumming


    I hope she doesn't. No need to either.


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    #80
    minidazzler
    Registered Users Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    I don't think the gardai really have any authority to search you just because you are in the same area as the queen.


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    #81
    mcwhirter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭mcwhirter


    Don't think so, she is probably glad ireland isn't part of the commonwealth anymore


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    #82
    CitizenKeane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭CitizenKeane


    upandcumming wrote: »
    I hope she doesn't. No need to either.

    Fair enough if you think she doesn't need to.
    But why would you actually hope that she doesn't? You're suggesting you'd be disappointed if she did. Why?


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    #83
    upandcumming
    Registered Users Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭upandcumming


    CitizenKeane wrote: »
    Fair enough if you think she doesn't need to.
    But why would you actually hope that she doesn't? You're suggesting you'd be disappointed if she did. Why?

    Well I hope she doesn't because there is no need. And I wouldn't be disappointed, I just don't really give a shit!
    I don't see why people are hoping or wanting her to do so.


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    #84
    dan719
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭dan719


    Athlone_Bhoy wrote: »
    A very legit target. Maybe we'll get her when she comes here.

    Going to attack her from behind your computer are you?

    Keyboard warriors are funny, but IRA keyboard warriors are f*cking hilarious.


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    #85
    CitizenKeane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭CitizenKeane


    upandcumming wrote: »
    Well I hope she doesn't because there is no need. And I wouldn't be disappointed, I just don't really give a shit!
    I don't see why people are hoping or wanting her to do so.

    I'm not particularly bothered whether she does or doesn't. It won't make a difference to me, but I can see why many other people would want her to and I think it would be a good thing.
    She's the Head of the British Armed Forces, and as such it would be her place to apologise for the wrongs they committed.
    It doesn't mean you hold her personally responsible, or that she's apologising in a personal capacity.


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    #86
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,067 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    upandcumming wrote: »
    Well I hope she doesn't because there is no need. And I wouldn't be disappointed, I just don't really give a shit!
    I don't see why people are hoping or wanting her to do so.

    tbh I can understand why some people would genuinely welcome an apology from her.. and be willing to reciprocate the sentiment.. I've a feeling that others might see it as a full acceptance of blame and use it to perpetuate their own ideologies without ever acknowledging it for what it's supposed to be.


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    #87
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    upandcumming wrote: »
    Well I hope she doesn't because there is no need. And I wouldn't be disappointed, I just don't really give a shit!
    I don't see why people are hoping or wanting her to do so.

    Because it would mean a lot to people have have suffered under british rule. I wasnt affected by austrailias treatment of aborigines but I was happy to see an apology to the people affected.


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    #88
    Nodin
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    For centuries, to escape the ravages of english soldiery, Irish women had to climb trees to hide. As a result, they have evolved very long, hairy, toes. I want, therefore, an apology from Mrs Windsor, for the long hairy toes of Irish women. I think it only fair.


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    #89
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    The word on the wires is that the worlds journos only want to be in one place...Croke Park. So I reckon the word is out that something of significance will happen there.
    She believes in the 'divine right of Kings and Queens' and she believes that when she speaks, she speaks for her people and her government and as long as they (her government) withhold information about crimes committed here (Dublin/Monaghan bombings etc) then her visit is unwelcome and her apology on behalf of her Government and people is hollow. JMHO


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    #90
    Rented Mule
    Registered Users Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    I wonder if her apology will sound like this ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWmf3Waio9E


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    #91
    dan719
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭dan719


    A genuine question- do people not have more important sh*t to be worrying about than whether Lizzie apologises for things that she as a *figurehead* had nothing to do with?

    Before the smart ass replies kick in, I'm a student so no.

    But seriously, in the last week, a leading economist has suggested that we turn our back on the EU/IMF bailout and cut our deficit to zero this year, unemployment remains stubbornly high, and people are emigrating in their droves. What do the good denizans of AH get worked up about, an elderly woman who never fired a shot in the bogside, nor planted bombs in Dublin, yet is expected to apologise for this and more. I give up.


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