Will The Queen Apologize for the Past?

lcrcboy

When the Queen arrives do you think she will Apologize for the past occupation or will she avoid the topic completely. Does she have to apologize because of what happened in the past or should she represent Britain's current understanding and recognition of Ireland, what do you think??

stimpson

I imagine she will.

I doubt it will make any difference to the average republican hardliner.

My name is URL

I hope she doesn't tbph, but reckon she will.. It would only be an empty gesture anyway and I doubt it will appease the people who're still very much hung up on history.

Thatnastyboy

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

MR. CONWAY TWITTY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ej9Dqhe5p4

mikemac

If she goes to Croke Park she will

And that will be it, one statement at Croke Park

And the usual suspects here on boards will be demanding more

They'd want a sackcloth and ashes apology
Oops! Where have I heard that phrase before

xxtattyberxx

I can see a 'bart simpson' apology but I dont think it'll make any difference at this stage. Peoples minds are made up and some people are very much about their history

Dionysus

lcrcboy wrote: »

When the Queen arrives do you think she will Apologize for the past occupation or will she avoid the topic completely. Does she have to apologize because of what happened in the past or should she represent Britain's current understanding and recognition of Ireland, what do you think??

I'd be fairly certain by the end of her visit to Dublin it will be Irish people who'll be apologising. You don't need to be Nostradamus to know this visit is not going to be good for Ireland Inc.

steddyeddy

My name is URL wrote: »

I hope she doesn't tbph, but reckon she will.. It would only be an empty gesture anyway and I doubt it will appease the people who're still hung up on history.

Should the japanese not have apologised to the chinese?
Should the german people not have apologised for the crimes against the jewish peoples?
Should austrailia not have apologised for their treatment of the first nation tribes in austraila?
Should america not have apologised for their treatment of african peoples?

All these happened in the past yet they have been apologised for. There has been few apologies for the injustices and murders of the past in this Island north and south of the border. Many people who have lost family and friends in the north for example are still alive, an apology is needed. A statement like "people hung up on history" is born out of ignorance in paticular to the activities that went on in the north.

KeithAFC

She probably will.

Rented Mule

Did the Queen fart or something ?

hondasam

lcrcboy wrote: »

When the Queen arrives do you think she will Apologize for the past occupation or will she avoid the topic completely. Does she have to apologize because of what happened in the past or should she represent Britain's current understanding and recognition of Ireland, what do you think??

Some people will not be happy no matter what she does. Time we moved on, stop living in the past.

KeithAFC

Many people who have lost family and friends in the north for example are still alive, an apology is needed. A statement like "people hung up on history" is born out of ignorance in paticular to the activities that went on in the north.

Will the IRA apologise what they did to Lord Mountbatten?

3hn2givr7mx1sc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHaCzb3yYk

Something along those lines?

cosanostra

It will be a well worded apology something like i'm sorry for the suffering the conflict between our two nations has caused!

If its at Croke Park she wont say i'm sorry for our lot coming in here and opening fire on everything that moved and then taking the moral high ground on world affairs.

steddyeddy

Im not hung up on history but an apology is needed. Im not against her visit nor would I want more than an apology. Im happy that were building bonds with the British by showing them the bueaty of our Island.

Chinasea

when we apoligise for invading the UK ever since

Randomer.

KeithAFC wrote: »

Will the IRA apologise what they did to Lord Mountbatten?

There wouldn't have been an IRA if it wasn't for the British Empire, so that point makes no sense.

Athlone_Bhoy

KeithAFC wrote: »

Will the IRA apologise what they did to Lord Mountbatten?

A very legit target. Maybe we'll get her when she comes here.

She should say sorry for the past just like the IRA did, but whats she going to say? I'm sorry my country committed genocide against Ireland. If she said that it would be enough for me personally, will she? Not a chance.

My name is URL

steddyeddy wrote: »

Should the japanese not have apologised to the chinese?
Should the german people not have apologised for the crimes against the jewish peoples?
Should austrailia not have apologised for their treatment of the first nation tribes in austraila?
Should america not have apologised for their treatment of african peoples?

All these happened in the past yet they have been apologised for. There has been few apologies for the injustices and murders of the past in this Island north and south of the border. Many people who have lost family and friends in the north for example are still alive, an apology is needed. A statement like "people hung up on history" is born out of ignorance in paticular to the activities that went on in the north.

Those are fair points. I'm sure the people who have lost loved ones would certainly welcome an apology. I still don't believe that any apology will be enough to appease the people who are most vocal in demanding one.

Pauleta

Athlone_Bhoy wrote: »

A very legit target. Maybe we'll get her when she comes here.

She should say sorry for the past just like the IRA did, but whats she going to say? I'm sorry my country committed genocide against Ireland. If she said that it would be enough for me personally, will she? Not a chance.

You're in the IRA?

mike65

lcrcboy wrote: »

When the Queen arrives do you think she will Apologize for the past occupation or will she avoid the topic completely. Does she have to apologize because of what happened in the past or should she represent Britain's current understanding and recognition of Ireland, what do you think??

she might apologise :mad:

Spook_ie

steddyeddy wrote: »

Should the japanese not have apologised to the chinese?
Should the german people not have apologised for the crimes against the jewish peoples?
Should austrailia not have apologised for their treatment of the first nation tribes in austraila?
Should america not have apologised for their treatment of african peoples?

All these happened in the past yet they have been apologised for. There has been few apologies for the injustices and murders of the past in this Island north and south of the border. Many people who have lost family and friends in the north for example are still alive, an apology is needed. A statement like "people hung up on history" is born out of ignorance in paticular to the activities that went on in the north.

So anyone apologising for the murder of the people in the Birmingham Bombings, The Manchester Bombings, The London Bombings, The disappeared, in fact has anyone apologised.

I do recall the PM David Cameron apologising about the bloody Sunday in Derry but apologies in general seem very thin on the ground.

steddyeddy

KeithAFC wrote: »

Will the IRA apologise what they did to Lord Mountbatten?

They should!

catbear

I think it will go something like this;
"We apologize for the great harm visited upon Ireland and if we had known what depths of destitution our careless inaction could lead to we would have made more effort to protect this land and not let it fall into the hands of the Gombeen King. Now can we please have our monogramed postboxes back, family property you know."
Short and sweet.

steddyeddy

Spook_ie wrote: »

So anyone apologising for the murder of the people in the Birmingham Bombings, The Manchester Bombings, The London Bombings, The disappeared, in fact has anyone apologised.

I do recall the PM David Cameron apologising about the bloody Sunday in Derry but apologies in general seem very thin on the ground.

As I said the Ira should apologise for all innocent people murdered, where did I say they shouldnt?

PS a lot of ira members have apologised for the killing of innocent peoples im still waiting on an apologies from many more groups in northern Ireland like some former members of the ruc to name one.

Xivilai

As for the Mountbatten thing, I think they need to apologise for killing his family members and the young Irish boy too

My name is URL

KeithAFC wrote: »

Will the IRA apologise what they did to Lord Mountbatten?

What's the point in anyone ever apologising for anything if that sort of childish mindset is the basis for it.

steddyeddy

My name is URL wrote: »

Those are fair points. I'm sure the people who have lost loved ones would certainly welcome an apology. I still don't believe that any apology will be enough to appease the people who are most vocal in demanding one.

Some people wont be happy but I might get slack for this but I dont think the queen represents the worst elements of the British empire in fairness but as head of state an apology would be required.

KeithAFC

steddyeddy wrote: »

They should!

Thats why i asked the question Steddyeddy because we keep hearing about apologies and yet it seems one sided.

CorkMan

Yes, hello..I think we got an official statement from Buckingham Palace, it says:

NEVA!!!

steddyeddy

KeithAFC wrote: »

Thats why i asked the question Steddyeddy because we keep hearing about apologies and yet it seems one sided.

The Ira should apologise for all innocent victims and civilian casualties which were not part of the war.

mike65

Athlone_Bhoy wrote: »

A very legit target. Maybe we'll get her when she comes here.

She should say sorry for the past just like the IRA did, but whats she going to say? I'm sorry my country committed genocide against Ireland. If she said that it would be enough for me personally, will she? Not a chance.

Pauleta wrote: »

You're in the IRA?

I wonder would Athlone_Bhoy bob or sink if you throw him in the water?

KeithAFC

My name is URL wrote: »

What's the point in anyone ever apologising for anything if that sort of childish mindset is the basis for it.

How is it? You expect the Queen to apologise for things which have happened and yet no one will come out and apologise what happened to him.

Its a valid question in my opinion.

My name is URL

KeithAFC wrote: »

How is it? You expect the Queen to apologise for things which have happened and yet no one will come out and apologise what happened to him.

Its a valid question in my opinion.

No it isn't. Te Queen is a head of state.. the voice of its people. The IRA is an illegal group of subversives.. not the voice of the people of Ireland.

catbear

What difference will it make if she did, none. Ireland will still carry on creating great social iniquity without outside help.

El Horseboxo

The difference between an apology from lizzie and the IRA is that she officially represents a country as head of their military. The IRA officially represent nothing from Ireland. It would be like Saudi Arabia apologizing to the US for September 11th. So why should Ireland ever apologize for anything republicans have ever done.

G_R

Athlone_Bhoy wrote: »

A very legit target. Maybe we'll get her when she comes here.

must...not...feed...troll!!

R P McMurphy

Full text of Irish Republican Army (IRA) statement of apology
16 April 2002



"Sunday 21 July marks the 30th anniversary of an IRA operation in Belfast in 1972 which resulted in nine people being killed and many more injured.

While it was not our intention to injure or kill non-combatants, the reality is that on this and on a number of other occasions, that was the consequence of our actions.

It is therefore appropriate on the anniversary of this tragic event, that we address all of the deaths and injuries of non-combatants caused by us.

We offer our sincere apologies and condolences to their families.

There have been fatalities amongst combatants on all sides. We also acknowledge the grief and pain of their relatives.

The future will not be found in denying collective failures and mistakes or closing minds and hearts to the plight of those who have been hurt. That includes all of the victims of the conflict, combatants and non-combatants.

It will not be achieved by creating a hierarchy of victims in which some are deemed more or less worthy than others.

The process of conflict resolution requires the equal acknowledgement of the grief and loss of others. On this anniversary, we are endeavouring to fulfil this responsibility to those we have hurt.

The IRA is committed unequivocally to the search for freedom, justice and peace in Ireland.

We remain totally committed to the peace process and to dealing with the challenges and difficulties which this presents. This includes the acceptance of past mistakes and of the hurt and pain we have caused to others."



P O'Neill, Irish Republican Publicity Bureau, Dublin.


The statement from the IRA was received by An Phoblacht (Republican News) on Tuesday, 16 July:

Liam Byrne

Given that she's the English Queen I don't think she'll be using any American words, no.

El Horseboxo

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gardai-warn-of-road-closures-during-queens-visit-504678.html

They can fúck right off with this. Searches me bleeding hole.

steddyeddy

R P McMurphy wrote: »

The statement, signed by P O'Neill, as in all statements from the IRA leadership, said: "While it was not our intention to injure or kill non-combatants, the reality is that on this and on a number of other occasions, that was the consequence of our actions."
It added: "It is, therefore, appropriate on the anniversary of this tragic event, that we address all of the deaths and injuries of non-combatants caused by us.
"We offer our sincere apologies and condolences to their families.
"There have been fatalities amongst combatants on all sides. We also acknowledge the grief and pain of their relatives."
The IRA said the future would not be found in "denying collective failures and mistakes or closing minds and hearts to the plight of those who had been hurt. That includes all of the victims of the conflict, combatants and non-combatants.
"It will not be achieved by creating a hierarchy of victims in which some are deemed more or less worthy than others."
It said the process of conflict resolution required the equal acknowledgement of the grief and loss of others.
"On this anniversary, we are endeavouring to fulfil this responsibility to those we have hurt." The statement said: "The IRA is committed unequivocally to the search for freedom, justice and peace in Ireland.
"We remain totally committed to the peace process and to dealing with the challenges and difficulties which this presents. This includes the acceptance of past mistakes and of the hurt and pain we have caused to others."

I never saw that in full thanks for posting! Excellent apology hopefully the queen will manage one half as good.

Mint Sauce

Even if she did apologise, I reakon people would still find ways of blaming Charles, William and his offspring when they are King/Queen.

Micky Dolenz

All right, heres the deal.

KeithAFC, if you speak about IRA, Real IRA, I can't believe it's not the IRA, The UVF, LVF,UDA etc etc. Basically anything about NI. You will be banned.

I have had it up to here *Points to tip top of head* with Loyalist/Republican tit for tat round about arguments.

Everyone is weary from it.

R P McMurphy

steddyeddy wrote: »

I never saw that in full thanks for posting! Excellent apology hopefully the queen will manage one half as good.

Was issued in 2002 in relation to Bloody Friday

steddyeddy

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Was issued in 2002 in relation to Bloody Friday

Well excellent apology as I said you wouldnt get much more out of either side after a war.

cosanostra

I hope she makes a heartfelt apology it might bring some closure to the whole conflict thing and allow people to move on!

I hope her visit passes off peacefully because every republican should realise that the path things are moving on in the north are heading for a united Ireland far more quickly than ever before!

orourkeda

lcrcboy wrote: »

When the Queen arrives do you think she will Apologize for the past occupation or will she avoid the topic completely. Does she have to apologize because of what happened in the past or should she represent Britain's current understanding and recognition of Ireland, what do you think??

No.

Get over it.

steddyeddy

orourkeda wrote: »

No.

Get over it.

People dont have to get over anything they are entitled to feel how they like about perceived injustice.

mattjack

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

All right, heres the deal.

KeithAFC, if you speak about IRA, Real IRA, I can't believe it's not the IRA, The UVF, LVF,UDA etc etc. Basically anything about NI. You will be banned.

I have had it up to here *Points to tip top of head* with Loyalist/Republican tit for tat round about arguments.

Everyone is weary from it.

the voice of reason...

Liam Byrne

steddyeddy wrote: »

I never saw that in full thanks for posting! Excellent apology hopefully the queen will manage one half as good.

Can't see anything "excellent" about it, to be honest. The "never our intention to kill innocents and non-combatants" is completely contradicted by their actions, and therefore renders the whole "apology" useless due to lack of credibility.

"We're sorry for deliberately putting live bombs near innocent people and know it was completely unacceptable" might have had some credibility.

What amuses me is the use of the phrase "the Queen", as if there was only one or as if she were "ours"; it's completely at odds with the sentiment being expressed by the OP.

steddyeddy

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Can't see anything "excellent" about it, to be honest. The "never our intention to kill innocents and non-combatants" is completely contradicted by their actions, and therefore renders the whole "apology" useless due to lack of credibility.

"We're sorry for deliberately putting live bombs near innocent people and know it was completely unacceptable" might have had some credibility.

What amuses me is the use of the phrase "the Queen", as if there was only one or as if she were "ours"; it's completely at odds with the sentiment being expressed by the OP.

I was cleary referring to queen beatrix :rolleyes: