Where do you find rest?

fatmammycat

My mother offered to pray for me once, I offered to diet for her in return.

Zillah

fatmammycat wrote: »

My mother offered to pray for me once, I offered to diet for her in return.

Ouch.

oldrnwisr

Donatello wrote: »

Well no, because lesbianism/homosexuality is a developmental thing, rather than something that one is born with.

It must be nice to live in a world where everything is a black and white issue. The truth of the matter is that nothing in the real world is ever that simple. You can't assert that homosexuality is developmental and not biological because even those people who study the matter don't have a consensus.

The only agreement is that homosexuality is not a choice:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/113/6/1827?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=%22Sexual+orientation+and+adolescents%22&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT#SEC3

There have been studies which have determined biological causes of male homosexuality such as those done by Simon LeVay and Dean Hamer but they are still a matter of debate. There is no one cause of homosexuality but it is likely that it is a blend of factors including, but not limited to, genetic, biological, developmental (in a biological sense), and cultural.

Irish Fire

fatmammycat wrote: »

My mother offered to pray for me once, I offered to diet for her in return.

:)

Galvasean

Donatello wrote: »

It hasn't actually.

Anyone else get this image in their head?

Dave!

Anyone see Donnie Darko? Donatello reminds me of that Jim Cunningham guy played by Patrick Swayze.

All of your happiness and fulfillment and satisfaction is just a product of FEARRRRRR!!!

AhSureTisGrand

Donatello wrote: »

My warning was just a heads up to all that I wouldn't tolerate mockery or scorn towards my beliefs. In that case I take my ball and go home!

And that would be simply tragic.

Donatello wrote: »

I don't mock the atheist creed, nor it's origins, so perhaps the same courtesy should be extended to me.

Seeing as there is by definition no "atheist creed", I can't imagine you do

liamw

Dave! wrote: »

Anyone see Donnie Darko? Donatello reminds me of that Jim Cunningham guy played by Patrick Swayze.

All of your happiness and fulfillment and satisfaction is just a product of FEARRRRRR!!!

LOL, it's him look at 0:50..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE3hXKdTmRs

GO_Bear

Donatello wrote: »

Why the shock that rape is included in a list of sins? Do you think rape is not a sin?

Wow I love your little confused smiley, stop being willingly ignorant for 2 minutes and read back over my post again and you might see why I was shocked when I seen rape in the same list of sins as lust

Undergod

Yeah, looks like I'm being ignored by Donatello.

liamw wrote: »

LOL, it's him look at 0:50..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE3hXKdTmRs

Hahaha, Seth Rogen at 1:38. I always forget that.

MrPudding

Undergod wrote: »

Yeah, looks like I'm being ignored by Donatello.



t.

Nah. He is done with this thread, remember? You may notice a pattern. He posts a load of bull, people respond, he posts some more sh1t usuall with a link to something the crap wizard of child rapists has said or the catchecism or that other idiotic site, then this challenged, he then says he is finished cos he is right and you are wrong, then be moves on. Don't feel ignored, standard MO.

MrP

The Mad Hatter

fatmammycat wrote: »

My mother offered to pray for me once, I offered to diet for her in return.

Am I the only person who read this in Hannibal Lecter's voice?

fatmammycat

Ah whay hallo Mad Hatter, luv yer hat.

Ambersky

The question, where does one find love, peace, joy, rest, is an interesting one. Its one I find myself addressing in other forums where I write more often.
However the OP states right in the first post that if

“I seek to fill the emptiness some other way, though I know it is futile. Only God satisfies.

So it doesn’t matter what anyone else says, this thread was not started as a listening, two way respectful conversation trying, trying to develop an understanding of those who see the world differently.
In fact the invitation is only put out there in order to knock down the ways anyone else finds peace, love, joy, rest and to prove them wrong.

I find this kind of thing personally irritating but I’m use to it.
I also think I know the Achilles heel of conservative christianity, forget logical argument on the grounds they put forward and go straight to the issue of women. Thats what they cant stand thats when they put their hands to their ears and go la la la la la I cant hear you, or see you, you don’t exist.
In all their language they speak directly man to man
Donatello says

“If you have a lot of money, you can buy distractions - cars, for instance, or houses. Or women. Whatever.”

What! I can buy women as a distraction, me, a woman, uh oh that would be dirty lesbians again and of course he wasn’t addressing me.
They don’t really realise they are speaking as men to men but don’t know how to do anything else.

Women are kept out of it, women = sex sex = base instincts, animal nature and ultimately the devil.
There are only two models for women, the temptress Eve or the obedient virgin and mother Mary.
You will read some really wild stuff if you start looking into the position of wome in religion. Do go and read some of the writing on why women cant be priests.

The all male club that is the catholic hierarchy (and the protestant churches aren’t far behind) hate having to discuss the issue of women, it really shows up the lunacy with talk of brides and us all being female in spirit but no actual living women being allowed.
Then of course there is the implication and fear of homosexuality.

An all male club, male culture, male language, loads of testosterone, suppression of sexuality and a fear of women. How could they not be f****d up. Its sad really.
Im not saying they are all gay, though some certainly are, Im actually saying patriarchy, the rule of the fathers, messes everyone men and women and children up.

Patriarchy is a social system in which the role of the male as the primary authority figure is central to social organization, and where fathers hold authority over women, children, and property. It implies the institutions of male rule and privilege, and is dependent on female subordination.

Historically, patriarchy has manifested itself in the social, legal, political, and economic organization of a range of different cultures. Patriarchy also has a strong influence on modern civilization, although many cultures have moved towards a more egalitarian social system over the past century

Thats why I had a go at the image put forward of god the father because he of course underpins all this.
If your image is one of a patriarchial father figure all the other structures coming from that mirror that image.
Its archaic I know and we like to think we are far removed from the influences of this but society is very much still influenced by it.
If you get tired of the round and round logic Just keep talking about women it will drive them mad.:D

Zillah

I for one am shocked that Donatello has not returned with convincing evidence for homosexuality being developmental.

fatmammycat

Zillah wrote: »

I for one am shocked that Donatello has not returned with convincing evidence for homosexuality being developmental.

That would require honesty.

recedite

Donatello wrote:

Actually, all souls are ultimately female. Souls are part of the Mystical Bride of Christ, the Church. Christ is male, the Church is female. The reason ordained priests must be male is because they must represent the male Christ, who is the head of the Church. If there were female priests, then that would represent spiritual lesbianism. If you can understand this, you are doing a lot better than the dissident 'Catholics' who advocate women priests

I would have liked to hear more about the spritual lesbians. :pac:
BTW aren't the nuns sometimes referred to as Brides of Christ?
Does this mean that priests, being male, are outside The Church (which is female)?
Or that any man who joins the church becomes female?
When a straight male atheist dies, he turns into a female soul?
Does that make him a dead homosexual :mad:?

So many questions, so few answers