Burning (Deleting) Half a Million Qur'ans!

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Killer Pigeon wrote: »

I know, it's ironic, but that's the whole point.

Spoken like a teenager. Protesting against/for something by doing that something. It doesn't work for me in this instance.

Killer Pigeon

stimpson wrote: »

Attacks by fundamentalist nutjobs actually. Burning the Quaran would be stupid because:

1. You would offend (and possibly radicalise) peace loving muslims too
2. You are using the tools of a fundie christian nutjob to protest against religuous fundamentalism.
3. You would be following a great tradition of book burning streching back to 1930's Germany

Deleting an electronic copy would be stupid and pointless for a whole host of other reasons, regardless of how symbolic you think it is.

Fundamentalist atheists like you give us regular atheists a bad name.

1. According to Islamic tradition, drawing a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad is regarded as deeply offensive too. Yet, after the Draw Muhammad Day nothing happened ... no real indication of a rise in radicalism, you might even say there was a decrease.
2. Yes, it is comparable to book burning, in the traditional sense of destroying ideas, but it's the irony that counts.
3. No, I'm not a gnostic atheist fundamentalist, and I don't see how that matters. I could easily be Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, etc.. and still believe strongly in freedom of speech and expression.

Iwasfrozen

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

1. According to Islamic tradition, drawing a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad is regarded as deeply offensive too. Yet, after the Draw Muhammad Day nothing happened ... no real indication of a rise in radicalism, you might even say there was a decrease.
2. Yes, it is comparable to book burning, in the traditional sense of destroying ideas, but it's the irony that counts.
3. No, I'm not a gnostic atheist fundamentalist, and I don't see how that matters. I could easily be Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, etc.. and still believe strongly in freedom of speech and expression.

1. Tradition is tradition, there's nothing religious about the Arabs historic preference for calligraphy. It's just cultural.
2. Deleting a copy of the Qur'an off your computor is not the same as burning an actual copy. No matter what way you want to spin it. Also Muslims believe the Qur'an is the literal word of God and burning the word off God isn't cool.
3. Yes you have a right to freedom of speech but you don't have to be a dick about it. Using your freedom of speech to shout down some one else's belifes in silly ways like "draw Muhammad day" tells me that you have a good deal of growing up to do.

CrazyRabbit

I have the right to burn any book or religious symbol, including the Qur'an.
However, I choose not to. Probably because I'm not an insensitive prick.

Just because you have the right to do something, it doesn't mean that you should.

Ted Haggard is an angry, hate filled little man whose ignorance and disrespectful actions are partially responsible for the death of several innocent people.

As for those religious zealots that directly committed these heinous cold blooded murders...they are not true Muslims. Their faith has been twisted into something vile, by equally angry & hate filled Imans.

A true Muslim would never condone such murders. The Qur'an & the prophet Mohammed teaches tolerance of other people's beliefs, and respect for the lives of innocent people.

(For the record, I'm not Muslim...but have many Muslim friends & I have read the Qur'an.)

Glico Man

Aoifey! wrote: »

I read 'Korans' as 'Koreans' and thought this thread was a whooole different thing.

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Edited to alternative spelling.

Koran --> Qur'an

Sadly it still didn't prevent me from misreading the title... I thought you meant This lot Way too much Mass Effect recently

Nodin

Solnskaya wrote: »

On a more serious note, I think we in the west really have no idea of the threat implied by Muslim Fundamentalism. Firstly, we are soft and weak by comparison, secondly they are outbreeding us by a country mile, and thirdly they are convinced they are right and we are wrong and should convert or die. This worries me, and I believe they will prevail, no question about it. It is just a matter of conviction, and they are more convinced than we. We are too liberal and wet - if we moved to a Muslim nation and attempted to impose our views upon them they would cut our throats, vice versa, we implement "tolerance"programmes - they must view us a soft touch for assimilation, and I would think the day that happens is not too far distant.

Funny, thats the kind of thing that has been aimed at catholics, slavs and jews at one point or another......we must be slow learners as a species....

Nodin

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Theo van Gogh was killed because he decided to draw a depiction of Muhammad. ............

Ostensibly it was because he made a short film slagging off the Koran. Not aiding his popularity with the extremist element was - for years - not referring to "muslims" as muslims, but as "goatfuckers" and other such jolities. He wasn't gone on Jews either, for some reason. Suffice to say that he was a 'complex' character. This isn't to say he deserved shooting, I might add.

loremolis

Wow, how quickly did this thread turn deadly serious.

Why is no one taking offencebat an earlier post suggesting that half a million Koreans should be burned?

Can anyone guess why there aren't regular flag burning demonstrations in O'Connell st?

Because we're not nuts, have some common sense, have better things to do and our parents brought us up to have a little bit of respect.

If the Koran reading murderers are not happy that some other nut job in America burned their favourite book......get over it, get a boyfriend, have a beer and calm the f$&? down.

Life is too short.

James T Kirk

I actually managed a fap to that clip.

Was hard to get going at first, but I did it. :cool:

stimpson

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

1. According to Islamic tradition, drawing a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad is regarded as deeply offensive too. Yet, after the Draw Muhammad Day nothing happened ... no real indication of a rise in radicalism, you might even say there was a decrease.

How do you know this. You can't measure it empirically. Just because it wasn't in Sky News doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[*]Yes, it is comparable to book burning, in the traditional sense of destroying ideas, but it's the irony that counts.

You don't understand the concept of irony. If your actions lead to a clampdown on free speech, that would be ironic. What you are proposing is just idiotic.

[*]No, I'm not a gnostic atheist fundamentalist, and I don't see how that matters. I could easily be Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, etc.. and still believe strongly in freedom of speech and expression.

You don't need to be religious to be a fundamentalist. Apparently you just need to be mental.

Wibbs

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

The Qur'an & the prophet Mohammed teaches tolerance of other people's beliefs, and respect for the lives of innocent people.

(For the record, I'm not Muslim...but have many Muslim friends & I have read the Qur'an.)

Then I suggest you read it again and throw in the hadith(life of the prophet) while you're at it, because although this is trotted out by well meaning people, that's simply not true. Tolerance is in pretty short supply. Mohammed himself ordered and/or condoned the deaths of any who dared to stand against him(including a pregnant woman http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/ask.pl?q=6491&act=view). He particularly hated poets. This is a guy who raided camel trains and stole and enslaved on the back of his religion(that's of course if he even existed. Evidence is actually more scant than you might imagine). This is a faith that was written in blood from the start. Hell of the first four caliphs(religious/military leaders) after Mohammed three were assassinated.

Ask yourself this; if it's such a tolerant and peaceful religion how come the more religious and observant someone becomes the more likely they are to be violent nutjobs? If it's such a tolerant and peaceful religion how come so many of the imams and scholars who know it far better than you or I seem to be violent nutjobs? Oh sure you can read and interpret it in a peaceful way if you ignore the obvious bits and since people the world over tend not to be violent nutjubs that's what the vast majority of Muslims do, but don't kid yourself that its any less violent and fcuked up than the Christian faith at the height of the inquisition. Difference is we're not living in the middle ages anymore.

partyatmygaff

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

As for those religious zealots that directly committed these heinous cold blooded murders...they are not true Muslims. Their faith has been twisted into something vile, by equally angry & hate filled Imans.

Imans? For someone who says they have read the Qur'an and have Muslim friends surely you would know they are called Imams? Why is it that there are quite a good few Imams preaching said hate? Not only in Afghanistan but elsewhere. Surely they can't all be inherently evil. Where did this hate originate from? What is common between them all?

A true Muslim would never condone such murders.

Does Muhammad count as a true Muslim? He seemed to hold awfully different views on morality in comparison to the supposed true Muslims of today.

The Qur'an & the prophet Mohammed teaches tolerance of other people's beliefs, and respect for the lives of innocent people.

Does it really? Muhammad didn't seem to be at all tolerant of whose who criticised him during his life or indeed those who simply refused to obey him.

landsleaving

Can someone give me a tl;dw on that video, I don't have 8 minutes to waste on that when I could masturbate.

Going by the posts, I should burn/delete a copy of the Koran/Qu'ran, to promote freedom of speech? Because it's ironic?

Just because something is ironic, doesn't mean it isn't still a terrible idea. Have you seen the glasses hipsters wear?

strobe

Solnskaya wrote: »

On a more serious note, I think we in the west really have no idea of the threat implied by Muslim Fundamentalism. Firstly, we are soft and weak by comparison, secondly they are outbreeding us by a country mile, and thirdly they are convinced they are right and we are wrong and should convert or die. This worries me, and I believe they will prevail, no question about it. It is just a matter of conviction, and they are more convinced than we. We are too liberal and wet - if we moved to a Muslim nation and attempted to impose our views upon them they would cut our throats, vice versa, we implement "tolerance"programmes - they must view us a soft touch for assimilation, and I would think the day that happens is not too far distant.

Pffft. 'We' in 'the west' may be soft and weak but we have F22 Raptors and F35 Lightning mark 2's, which are not. Conviction won't do you much good when you are in 100,000 different pieces. :rolleyes:

Edit: Airplane porn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_j-ho4y5Tw

landsleaving

strobe wrote: »

Pffft. 'We' in 'the west' may be soft and weak but we have F22 Raptors and F35 Lightning mark 2's, which are not. Conviction won't do you much good when you are in 100,000 different pieces. :rolleyes:

"These Muslims have us on our backs boys, send in the dinosaurs and weather."

"Sir!"

Muckie

Loved the Air plane porn.

As for the "Squid in the room", i reckon the "elephant" would stomp all over it.

Durkka durk ka.

We need Team America!

loremolis

strobe wrote: »

Pffft. 'We' in 'the west' may be soft and weak but we have F22 Raptors and F35 Lightning mark 2's, which are not. Conviction won't do you much good when you are in 100,000 different pieces. :rolleyes:

Now we're talkin'.

Lets see them protest and flag burn their way out of that fight.

Ireland should buy one of those. We could trade in the Garda Helicopter for it.

How much?

strobe

loremolis wrote: »

Now we're talkin'.

Lets see them protest and flag burn their way out of that fight.

Ireland should buy one of those. We could trade in the Garda Helicopter for it.

How much?

They go for only 150-200 million each. Bargain says I. Let Anglo go under and we can use their bailout money to buy a couple of squadrons.

loremolis

strobe wrote: »

They go for only 150-200 million each. Bargain says I. Let Anglo go under and we can use their bailout money to buy a couple of squadrons.

We should borrow the money to buy a couple.

Maybe Barrack will lend us one or two to try out and we could take the rest on hire purchase.

FAS could start a new course training people to service them.

When we have enough we invade Portugal and take over their banks.

James T Kirk

landsleaving wrote: »

Can someone give me a tl;dw on that video, I don't have 8 minutes to waste on that when I could masturbate.

Going by the posts, I should burn/delete a copy of the Koran/Qu'ran, to promote freedom of speech? Because it's ironic?

Just because something is ironic, doesn't mean it isn't still a terrible idea. Have you seen the glasses hipsters wear?

And it's a hipster behind that vid, I'll wager.

Download then delete the Koran...

Some people spend too much time online.

Saila

say the name of this thread to an IT geek and watch his head explode

LighterGuy

I absolutely agree with so much of that guy is saying. made some very good points.


HOWEVER! .... towards the end of the vid he is just a person using his tone and words to "work" you. I call it intellectual hypnotic bulls*it.
He cites that by not doing anything we are giving in. Agree 100%. But actually says if we dont do anything out of fear of peoples lives we give in (he mentioned soldiers)

I dont see him grabbing a gun do we?
Its all easy to say what we should do and say when it aint our asses on the line. When backlash aint going to effect us. The video opens up with that american burning the Qur'an and then people dying as an reaction. The video poster is the same as him! someone who will make a statement but of course, doing so thousands of miles away in comfort and security :rolleyes:


I understand what he is saying.... dont give into them. he is right. But lets face facts, what if what he posted caught on? only been up 3 days with 40,000+ hits. So lets look at recent events. 14 people got killed from Paster Jones burning the Qur-ran. Lets say this guy incites more people to be killed? ... is it him at risk? is it anyone he knows? ... no. You wanna make a statement or you wanna make a stand do so when its your ass on the line.

James T Kirk

When - or if - 'the time comes to make a stand', I'll burn stuff with the best of 'em.

Especially for the right to freedom of expression and belief.

But I'll be fcuked if I'm gonna download a thousand Korans...

then delete them.

Who's gonna notice FFS?!

Jesus wept, it's art school bull crap at best!

James T Kirk

Saila wrote: »

say the name of this thread to an IT geek and watch his head explode

"You're gonna totally frag your hard drive, dude. Not to mention waste valuable bandwidth..."

Or something like that? :pac:

old_aussie

Yummy, calamari for dinner

Turtwig

Sorry I really don't understand this.

Is this about freedom of speech? Is it about Islam? Or is it just a vain attempt to piss as many people off as possible. Let's get this straight, even though some muslims are wacko extremists, only a slim minority of those wacko extremists actually resort to violence. Then there's the vast majority who are moderates. Leaving aside the fact that this stuff is all digital and it means nothing to Muslims, (The actual physically printed Korans have to be disposed of in a proper fashion with respect and care.) is it the intention of this act to aid in recruiting more fundamentalists muslims? You know, there is such a thing as threat and action. If you perceive a threat to your way of life you will act on neutralising it. The way I see it the majority of muslims of are not a threat to us, yet if we carry on with ideas like this they might not be and with good reason. The only way to rid fundamentalist horsh1t from Islam is via moderate muslims.

JONJO THE MISER

i agree with the poster, these muslims think they can control the western world,, if it was not for us they would and still are a backword people , backward and ignorant peasants, thank god we have America to protect the western world, whatever you think of America they are protecting our way of life and i thank them for that.

loremolis

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

i agree with the poster, these muslims think they can control the western world,, if it was not for us they would and still are a backword people , backward and ignorant peasants, thank god we have America to protect the western world, whatever you think of America they are protecting our way of life and i thank them for that.

Apart from protecting our way of life and Budweiser what has America ever done for us?

Killer Pigeon

Maybe I'll just shut up and get back into line...

... but not until I delete a couple of Qur'ans first!

stimpson

Apparently there is a group of like minded individuals being persecuted in the uk at the moment

http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op/sbuEYQ6szm9_rrz3VgWirMw/view.m?id=15&gid=politics/2011/apr/09/bnp-candidate-arrested-quran-burning&cat=most-read