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Burning (Deleting) Half a Million Qur'ans!

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    #32
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    loremolis wrote: »
    Sorry. Couldn't help going off topic.

    Guy that burns stupid book is a moron. Morons that get upset about it and kill people are immeasurably worse.

    Which came first the morons or the idiots?

    How can you take it seriously.

    Theo van Gogh was killed because he decided to draw a depiction of Muhammad. Many other people were attacked and received death threats because they did the same and Western embassies were burned to the ground. Then came "Draw Muhammad Day". Thousands of people took part to underscore the importance of freedom of speech.

    After Ted Haggard decided to burn the Qur'an people were murdered at a UN compound because of a book. The Delete a Qur'an Day follows more or less the same logic as Draw Muhammad Day - to reiterate the importance of freedom of speech and not let other dictate how others think no matter how ridiculous their beliefs are.


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    #33
    Jesus Wept
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    Do you have a religion K.P?


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    #34
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    Do you have a religion K.P?

    No, staunch Atheist.


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    #35
    Solnskaya
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    We could have a "Burn an athiest" day, -would get rid of a lot of smug feckers. Roast Pigeon, mmmm....


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    #36
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Solnskaya wrote: »
    We could have a "Burn an athiest" day, -would get rid of a lot of smug feckers. Roast Pigeon, mmmm....

    nice...


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    #37
    loremolis
    Registered Users Posts: 944 ✭✭✭loremolis


    Solnskaya wrote: »
    Where did you get the idiots from in that equation? (morons+morons=idiots??)

    Maths was never my strong point.

    It could be morons x 3 = idiot.

    Either way the guy who burned the book was a moron, but quite within his rights to do so. He didn't directly kill anyone by doing so.

    The idiots who killed people because the book burning upset their little brains and offended their "beliefs", should be shot.

    World War 3 is not far away.


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    #38
    Solnskaya
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    Killer Pigeon wrote: »
    nice...
    Especially nice with sage and onion stuffing. You started it with your Korean vendetta.


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    #39
    im invisible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭im invisible


    10belowzero wrote: »
    Is the koran , the korean national dish ?
    no, thats Q'uorn


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    #40
    Solnskaya
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    loremolis wrote: »
    Maths was never my strong point.

    It could be morons x 3 = idiot.

    Either way the guy who burned the book was a moron, but quite within his rights to do so. He didn't directly kill anyone by doing so.

    The idiots who killed people because the book burning upset their little brains and offended their "beliefs", should be shot.

    World War 3 is not far away.
    On a more serious note, I think we in the west really have no idea of the threat implied by Muslim Fundamentalism. Firstly, we are soft and weak by comparison, secondly they are outbreeding us by a country mile, and thirdly they are convinced they are right and we are wrong and should convert or die. This worries me, and I believe they will prevail, no question about it. It is just a matter of conviction, and they are more convinced than we. We are too liberal and wet - if we moved to a Muslim nation and attempted to impose our views upon them they would cut our throats, vice versa, we implement "tolerance"programmes - they must view us a soft touch for assimilation, and I would think the day that happens is not too far distant.


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    #41
    Solnskaya
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    My missus has just gone out with a torch and a poker to watch out for the inevitable hit squad headed our way. I will be the one behind her with a large firearm.:D "The Borg" anyone?.


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    #42
    loremolis
    Registered Users Posts: 944 ✭✭✭loremolis


    Solnskaya wrote: »
    On a more serious note, I think we in the west really have no idea of the threat implied by Muslim Fundamentalism.
    Firstly, we are soft and weak by comparison, secondly they are outbreeding us by a country mile, and thirdly they are convinced they are right and we are wrong and should convert or die. This worries me, and I believe they will prevail, no question about it. It is just a matter of conviction, and they are more convinced than we. We are too liberal and wet - if we moved to a Muslim nation and attempted to impose our views upon them they would cut our throats, vice versa, we implement "tolerance"programmes - they must view us a soft touch for assimilation, and I would think the day that happens is not too far distant.

    I knew it, they are the Borg guys from Star Trek.

    I wonder if boards.afg has a thread on it about burning the bible.

    Based on the intolerance, the posts on boards.afg probably read like this....

    I'm going to kill them all, all of them. FATWHAT. JIHAD.
    I'll burn their books, their loose women, their fancy cars and their houses made of concrete.
    Are you with me brothers?????
    Death to the Leprechaun infidels.

    On a serious not also. In their world the division is them and us.
    As far as I'm concerned let them burn whaever they like, they're far enough away not to bother me.

    And they don't know where i live.


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    #43
    tmcw
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    Killer Pigeon wrote: »
    .....So, on the Sunday the 10th April 2011, I too will burn the Qur'an (too lazy to do 500,000), not with the traditional flame but with my hard drive. Every time someone downloads an e-book, for example, they have a legitimate copy of that book - similar in theory to a physical hard-copy of that book in that it contains the same ideas. If I were to destroy a hard-copy of the book by fire I would be symbolically destroying what the ideas in that book have come to represent. In theory, if I were to delete the electronic version of that book, I would also be destroying the ideas that that book has become to represent but with a different method. ....

    Regards,

    K.P.

    When you delete the "book", you're just removing it's entry on the file allocation table, the 1's and 0's are still in a coherent form on your hard drive, even if you remember to flush the recycle bin.

    You'll need to install some third party software to shred those 1's and 0's so that all traces of the off the book/file can no longer be forensically stuck back together again.

    Otherwise, your intentions and convictions cannot be taken seriously.


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    #44
    WolfForager
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    I hope that guy isn't using a solid state drive, he'll have a hard time destroying it :/


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    #45
    loremolis
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    tmcw wrote: »
    When you delete the "book", you're just removing it's entry on the file allocation table, the 1's and 0's are still in a coherent form on your hard drive, even if you remember to flush the recycle bin.

    You'll need to install some third party software to shred those 1's and 0's so that all traces of the off the book/file can no longer be forensically stuck back together again.

    Otherwise, your intentions and convictions cannot be taken seriously.

    The Koran can never be created or destroyed, merely changed from one form to another.

    Have to go, two cars full of men just pulled up outside.


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    #46
    Solnskaya
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    Typical western pussy assed approach. They burn our flags, cut hostages throats and impose sharia. We get a nerdfest deleting pixels from their screens. I'm sure the Muslim world is quaking in its boots.


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    #47
    Absurdum
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    I took a dump on a koran one time just to piss someone on another forum off, it worked as well.


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    #48
    Killer Pigeon
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    tmcw wrote: »
    When you delete the "book", you're just removing it's entry on the file allocation table, the 1's and 0's are still in a coherent form on your hard drive, even if you remember to flush the recycle bin.

    You'll need to install some third party software to shred those 1's and 0's so that all traces of the off the book/file can no longer be forensically stuck back together again.

    Otherwise, your intentions and convictions cannot be taken seriously.


    Or you could get some old hard drive, fill it with 500,000 e-copies of the Qur'an and then physically burn the hard-drive.

    One could rip a physical book to shreds and say that I destroyed that book - but the shed could be forensically pieced together again. Does this mean that my intention cannot be taken seriously? No, it's the symbolism not the technicality that counts.


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    #49
    loremolis
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    Solnskaya wrote: »
    Typical western pussy assed approach. They burn our flags, cut hostages throats and impose sharia. We get a nerdfest deleting pixels from their screens. I'm sure the Muslim world is quaking in its boots.

    They're just frustrated. Have you seen their women?

    We should send them a few copies of Playboy to burn. That'll do the trick


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    #50
    stimpson
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    Killer Pigeon wrote: »
    Theo van Gogh was killed because he decided to draw a depiction of Muhammad.

    Eh...actually, that's not why he was killed
    After Ted Haggard decided to burn the Qur'an people were murdered at a UN compound because of a book.

    So how many people do you think will be murdered because of delete an ebook day?
    The Delete a Qur'an Day follows more or less the same logic as Draw Muhammad Day - to reiterate the importance of freedom of speech and not let other dictate how others think no matter how ridiculous their beliefs are.

    Like the belief that deleting a file on a hard drive will accomplish anything? OP - instead of defraging your hard drive why don't you go out and get laid instead. That would really show them you mean business.


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    #51
    Solnskaya
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    Sadly, they are not. They are just far more hard minded and dedicated than we are.


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    #52
    up for anything
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    Anyone who burns a book, any book, whether paper or electronic is a complete barbarian especially in the name of free expression. :rolleyes:


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    #53
    Solnskaya
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    up for anything wrote: »
    Anyone who burns a book, any book, whether paper or electronic is a complete barbarian especially in the name of free expression. :rolleyes:
    Remember how the whole "Rome V's the Barbarians" thing played out??


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    #54
    up for anything
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    Solnskaya wrote: »
    Remember how the whole "Rome V's the Barbarians" thing played out??

    Remind me. Was that a porn movie? :D


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    #55
    loremolis
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    Solnskaya wrote: »
    Sadly, they are not. They are just far more hard minded and dedicated than we are.

    In a word. NUTS!


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    #56
    stimpson
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    Killer Pigeon wrote: »
    Or I could get some old hard drive, fill it with 500,000 e-copies of the Qur'an and then physically burn the hard-drive.

    http://xkcd.com/750/


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    #57
    loremolis
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    up for anything wrote: »
    Remind me. Was that a porn movie? :D

    Nope. Rugby match last weekend

    This is the wrong forum for discussing rugby


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    #58
    Solnskaya
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    up for anything wrote: »
    Remind me. Was that a porn movie? :D
    No, it was an epic slasher.


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    #59
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    stimpson wrote: »
    Eh...actually, that's not why he was killed
    Soz about that, it was actually a few Danish cartoonists. But the point is hundreds of people were killed in waves of a attacks by Islamists because of what they drew. But Teog Van Gogh did die at the hands of Islamic extremists because of the views he expressed.
    stimpson wrote: »
    So how many people do you think will be murdered because of delete an ebook day?

    The reaction from the Danish cartoonists' depiction of the profit Muhammad caused hundreds of deaths. However, when the internet campaign - "Draw Mohammed Day" happened nobody was killed or injured. Threats were made but nothing happened. The point is, these sort of large campaigns spark a cross-cultural debate.
    stimpson wrote: »
    Like the belief that deleting a file on a hard drive will accomplish anything? OP - instead of defraging your hard drive why don't you go out and get laid instead. That would really show them you mean business.

    ...


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    #60
    Killer Pigeon
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    up for anything wrote: »
    Anyone who burns a book, any book, whether paper or electronic is a complete barbarian especially in the name of free expression. :rolleyes:

    I know, it's ironic, but that's the whole point.


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    #61
    stimpson
    Registered Users Posts: 7,815 ✭✭✭stimpson


    Killer Pigeon wrote: »
    Soz about that, it was actually a few Danish cartoonists. But the point is hundreds of people were killed in waves of a attacks by Islamists because of what they drew.
    ...

    Attacks by fundamentalist nutjobs actually. Burning the Quaran would be stupid because:

    1. You would offend (and possibly radicalise) peace loving muslims too
    2. You are using the tools of a fundie christian nutjob to protest against religuous fundamentalism.
    3. You would be following a great tradition of book burning streching back to 1930's Germany

    Deleting an electronic copy would be stupid and pointless for a whole host of other reasons, regardless of how symbolic you think it is.

    Fundamentalist atheists like you give us regular atheists a bad name.


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