"Trigger" McAteer getting decked by Stephen Cluxton at charity soccer game in Santry

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually his statement is even dumber than that. "Unnecessary violence is always unnecessary or it's not" is essentially what he is saying. The framing of the statement makes it unarguable. He also happens to be making a blanket value judgment on a massively subjective area.

That said most of this thread has been LOLstupid so there's no real point in squabbling over the semantics of logical discourse.

Turtyturd wrote: »

Gotta love the GAA lads who give it loads in situations like this, yet curl up in a ball and cry during the International rules series.

QED

parker kent

Turtyturd wrote: »

Gotta love the GAA lads who give it loads in situations like this, yet curl up in a ball and cry during the International rules series.

Again you are using the few to describe the many.

Edit: And you are talking BS too. Just saying.

keane2097

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually his statement is even dumber than that. "Unnecessary violence is always unnecessary or it's not" is essentially what he is saying. The framing of the statement makes it unarguable. He also happens to be making a blanket value judgment on a massively subjective area.

That said most of this thread has been LOLstupid so there's no real point in squabbling over the semantics of logical discourse.

I decided to ignore the word "unnecessary" in his post because it made his statement seem retarded, and I was pretty sure I could guess what he meant even through the fail at colouring the argument with "clever" wording.

stovelid

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

To be fair, that is entirely your spin on things. Backward and smallminded I believe were the terms used earlier in the thread.

The cold hard facts are that the games were hosted there, nothing you can say changes that fact.

I'm not denying that but I doubt it was an act of altruism so why trump it up as such? If it was, the facilities would have been provided at a much lower cost. The GAA rented out their facility at a handsome cost. Do all of you send your landlord a bunch of roses every week for renting you a property?

Turtyturd

parker kent wrote: »

Edit: And you are talking BS too. Just saying.

How so?...week in and week out GAA games are full of incidents where they grab shirts and push each other back and forth. Then when they meet a group of people who were willing to actually get physical during the International rules series there was an outcry and talk of cancelling it.

FearDark

I read in the paper that this was a setup, a pre-planned "fight" between Cluxton and McAteer, I thought everyone knew this...

NOT REAL FOLKS, Christ above you gullible people.

Turtyturd

Turtyturd wrote: »

How so?...week in and week out GAA games are full of incidents where they grab shirts and push each other back and forth. Then when they meet a group of people who were willing to actually get physical during the International rules series there was an outcry and talk of cancelling it.

Your point is? I mean, your above statement manages to miss the point of why the Series was in danger entirely, so I assume you have some other weird point you somehow contrived to use this as an example of somewhere in there?

Cypher_sounds

FearDark wrote: »

I read in the paper that this was a setup, a pre-planned "fight" between Cluxton and McAteer, I thought everyone knew this...

NOT REAL FOLKS, Christ above you gullible people.

Dude speaking of gullible which paper did you read that in? Looks pretty real to me from the pics and comments from players twitter.

By the way who won the match?

Paulw

FearDark wrote: »

I read in the paper that this was a setup, a pre-planned "fight" between Cluxton and McAteer, I thought everyone knew this...

NOT REAL FOLKS, Christ above you gullible people.

You read that in the Sun, and you believe them??? :eek:

Sorry, you're the gullible one. I was there!!!! It was not fake at all. The writer in the Sun wasn't even at the match, and only knew about it through my photos. No one was interviewed.

Paulw

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

By the way who won the match?

Legends XI won the game 4-3.

Full images from the game here.

parker kent

Turtyturd wrote: »

How so?...week in and week out GAA games are full of incidents where they grab shirts and push each other back and forth. Then when they meet a group of people who were willing to actually get physical during the International rules series there was an outcry and talk of cancelling it.

Do you not see the difference between shirt grabbing/pushing and a flying forearm to the jaw? Or to a systematic plan to rough players up? To attacking Ciaran McDonald before kick off? Or an Australian player saying that it will be "open slather" in the week before that game happened? Or to a team of professionals deciding to use extreme physical force against a team of amateurs?

You are also describing the views and actions of some GAA players/followers, not all. A crucial difference. Would you call all soccer fans hooligans because some were? Or are all tennis players throwing games because a few have? You cannot and should not generalise based on the actions of a few people.

You are using a lazy, easy dig at the GAA. Which seems to be de rigeur on here these days.

Edit: You also seem to show very little knowledge of the wider issues with International Rules series.

OhNoYouDidn't

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Have you ever played, been to or watched a GAA match of either code? Just out of curiosity? I'd love to know where this hatred comes from. Its only a game you know.

I was a county minor and played Sigerson gaelic.

Quite a fan of the games, despise the cranks bigots and nutters who are destroying gaelic games. And don't have a great deal of time for useful idiots lke you who won't accept legitimate criticism of the Gah. I also criticise the FAI, UEFA, FIFA etc.

stumpypeeps

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I was a county minor and played Sigerson gaelic.

Quite a fan of the games, despise the cranks bigots and nutters who are destroying gaelic games. And don't have a great deal of time for useful idiots lke you who won't accept legitimate criticism of the Gah. I also criticise the FAI, UEFA, FIFA etc.

Really? Is there any need to lower yourself to that level.

Pro. F

stovelid wrote: »

I'll support any sports cub (in any code) going but the sooner that club and any club that aided them curl up and die the better and you can quote me on that.

I presume you are talking about some particular incident here. Could you fill me in on the details of that please?

I'm not trying to argue or stir, I'm genuinely interested.

major bill

Pro. F wrote: »

I presume you are talking about some particular incident here. Could you fill me in on the details of that please?

I'm not trying to argue or stir, I'm genuinely interested.

Thomas davis maybe!!!:D

stovelid

Pro. F wrote: »

I presume you are talking about some particular incident here. Could you fill me in on the details of that please? .

Thomas Davis and Shamrock Rovers.

In a rush now but will certainly post a summary of it when I get home. Plenty of old posts about it online too.

stumpypeeps

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Bogball animals. can't even behave for charity

I find it hard to believe a Minor County player and Sigerson cup footballer refers to GAA players as "bogball animals".

stovelid

stumpypeeps wrote: »

I find it hard to believe a Minor County player and Sigerson cup footballer refers to GAA players as "bogball animals".

That's because despite the many problems of domestic "soccer", the culture of self-criticism is thakfully still strong - albeit sometimes too strong. Supporters can ciountenace criticism of FAI and the league wihtout having to circle the wagons every time.

Pro. F

stovelid wrote: »

Thomas Davis and Shamrock Rovers.

In a rush now but will certainly post a summary of it when I get home. Plenty of old posts about it online too.

Cool thanks. I'll get googleing. You don't need to go to any trouble posting a summary unless you particularly want to, I'm getting loads of results here already.

reprazant

stovelid wrote: »

That's because despite the many problems of domestic "soccer", the culture of self-criticism is thakfully still strong - albeit sometimes too strong.

There is self-criticism, and then there is taking digs with nearly every post.

I don't make the same amount of digs at sports I don't like as OhNoYouDidn't does at 'gah', a sport he claims to like.

Sir Gallagher

kraggy wrote: »

Who said he's a hardman? One guy behaves stupidly and irresponsibly at a charity match (even though provoked, he shouldn't have hit out) and y'all can't wait to lay into the GAA.

The irony is that you are behaving in just a despicable manner as Cluxton is, its just different. Why can't you just enjoy watching soccer and leave the GAA off? Don't watch it if you don't want to. Don't support it in any way if you don't feel like it. Why do you feel so bitter about something that does not have to affect your life in any tangible way at all?

But for goodness sake, grow up and don't be making yourselves look equally as immature as Cluxton does in that photo.

Well Bernard Dunne and Bernard Brogan seem to think he is and are celebrating it, two blokes who were there and should know better. I haven't laid into the GAA at all really it just seems as if Cluxton is getting a free pass and even celebrated to an extent over what happened all because he's a GAA man.

As i've quoted already;(retweeted by Bernard Brogan)

Bernard_Dunne #StephenCluxton is my hero. Showed a soccer player today(Jason McAteer) GAA boys don't fanny about like those soccer players.. 1-2 uni flu!

I don't have a problem with GAA at all really, i have a problem with people's attitudes to this carry on though, it's a real "ah sure he's one of our own, it's grand" attitude.

reprazant

Tbf Sir Gallagher, if it had been an ex international rugby player instead of Gaa player, I am sure Dunne's tweets would also have been the same.

stumpypeeps

stovelid wrote: »

That's because despite the many problems of domestic "soccer", the culture of self-criticism is thakfully still strong - albeit sometimes too strong. Supporters can ciountenace criticism of FAI and the league wihtout having to circle the wagons every time.

I have loads of issues with the GAA. I don't think its useful to refer to them as bogball animals though.

I also don't see why taking some sort of moral high ground on self criticism has anything to do with anything. I haven't once made derogatory remarks about any of the more ardent LOI fans here who seem intent on hurling insults at everyone else.

thegen

stovelid wrote: »

That's because despite the many problems of domestic "soccer", the culture of self-criticism is thakfully still strong - albeit sometimes too strong. Supporters can ciountenace criticism of FAI and the league wihtout having to circle the wagons every time.

I don't mind criticism of the GAA, FAI or IRFU as sporting bodies but the abuse directed at GAA players in general and not criticism directed at the organization is wrong. The lovely terms in general being used by some of the "soccer" or giving it it's correct title Association Football "fans" have been way out of order.

stovelid

stumpypeeps wrote: »

I also don't see why taking some sort of moral high ground on self criticism has anything to do with anything. I haven't once made derogatory remarks about any of the more ardent LOI fans here who seem intent on hurling insults at everyone else.

It's a "soccer" forum I guess. If I was inclined to browse GAA forums, I'd probably just ignore any anti-"soccer" jibes unless it was a specific debate like the Thomas Davis one.

keane2097

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Well Bernard Dunne and Bernard Brogan seem to think he is and are celebrating it, two blokes who were there and should know better. I haven't laid into the GAA at all really it just seems as if Cluxton is getting a free pass and even celebrated to an extent over what happened all because he's a GAA man.

As i've quoted already;(retweeted by Bernard Brogan)



I don't have a problem with GAA at all really, i have a problem with people's attitudes to this carry on though, it's a real "ah sure he's one of our own, it's grand" attitude.

It's nothing to do with him being a GAA player.

I said pretty much the exact same stuff when people shit their pants about Joey Barton giving Larsson a dig in the ribs.

Sir Gallagher

thegen wrote: »

I don't mind criticism of the GAA, FAI or IRFU as sporting bodies but the abuse directed at GAA players in general and not criticism directed at the organization is wrong. The lovely terms in general being used by some of the "soccer" or giving it it's correct title Association Football "fans" have been way out of order.

I never use the word soccer i think people are using it for the sake of this arguement so as not to mix up the two sports. The use of the term bogball animals etc. is out of order in fairness.

stumpypeeps

stovelid wrote: »

It's a "soccer" forum I guess. If I was inclined to browse GAA forums, I'd probably just ignore any anti-"soccer" jibes unless it was a specific debate like the Thomas Davis one.

To be honest, I've lost all interest in all of this. I like Soccer as much as GAA, I don't know why I have to be a fan of one or the other.

speedboatchase

Regardless of what people's views are on Cluxton's actions, the pictures are great http://www.joe.ie/gaa/gaa-gallery/exclusive-cluxton-v-mcateer-in-pictures-0011097-1

revz

He was my teacher!
Just glad I didn't go in hard on him in any tackles in the student teacher match now

For the record, cluxton is a very good outfield football (as in soccer) player. Wouldn't be surprised if he nicked it off McAteer and outdid him for pace; would say McAteer clipped his heels out of frustration by being shown up by a "bogball" player