Derry/Londonderry naming dispute

Teddy455

What is your view?

the_syco

I prefer Derreh.

Penfailed

Derry.

owenc

A for the love of god.. tbh i really couldn't give a crud.. but this is the way i and most people work

The City= Derry.

The county= County Londonderry.. Name was never county derry anyway...

No one calls the city "Londonderry" except bitter bigots.. Personally i would prefer the citys name to be changed to something better because i'm sick and tired of people going about this.. both outside and in my school.. especially my school:mad: Btw protestants don't call it londonderry its only bitter protestants that do that don't listen to them ones who say protestants do because they don't everyone i know calls it derry except for the ones who are looking for a row.. :rolleyes: I'd would be over the world if the name was changed its so annoying having to say londonderry to the bitter ones i hate saying that because i feel like a bigot... I wouldn't be for the county name changing though, i like the county name..

Penfailed

owenc wrote: »

A for the love of god.. tbh i really couldn't give a crud.. but this is the way i and most people work

The City= Derry.

The county= County Londonderry

This is the way you and most Protestants work

owenc wrote: »

I'd would be over the world if the name was changed its so annoying having to say londonderry to the bitter ones i hate saying that because i feel like a bigot... I wouldn't be for the county name changing though, i like the county name..

You say that it's annoying to say Londonderry...but then say that you like the county name...eh?

owenc

Penfailed wrote: »

This is the way you and most Protestants work



You say that it's annoying to say Londonderry...but then say that you like the county name...eh?

Yea i don't like saying londonderry because it doesn't sound right and its an offence to the catholics.. and as for County Londonderry well thats its correct name it was never County Derry.. theres a difference derry city was orginally derry ,county londonderry wasn't originally county derry.. Here is a bit of history as most people on here don't know much about the name of the area : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Coleraine

Penfailed

owenc wrote: »

Yea i don't like saying londonderry because it doesn't sound right and its an offence to the catholics.. and as for County Londonderry well thats its correct name it was never County Derry.. theres a difference derry city was orginally derry ,county londonderry wasn't originally county derry..

Hmmm...you say the city name doesn't sound right and it's an offence to Catholics. Don't you think calling the county by the same name is an offence to Catholics?

owenc

Penfailed wrote: »

Hmmm...you say the city name doesn't sound right and it's an offence to Catholics. Don't you think calling the county by the same name is an offence to Catholics?

No because people here don't see it like that.. they only take offence to the city name because it was called derry originally, the county wasn't so they can't take offence to something that wasn't there.. They should name derry something else..

Penfailed

owenc wrote: »

No because people here don't see it like that.. they only take offence to the city name because it was called derry originally, the county wasn't so they can't take offence to something that wasn't there.. They should name derry something else..

Please don't assume how people 'here' see it. You have no idea where I am from If you think it should be called County Londonderry because that's what it was called before, then why not take it back to first principles and call it County Coleraine. I should say at this point that I respect people's right to call it whatever they want...I may not like it though.

owenc

Penfailed wrote: »

Please don't assume how people 'here' see it. You have no idea where I am from If you think it should be called County Londonderry because that's what it was called before, then why not take it back to first principles and call it County Coleraine. I should say at this point that I respect people's right to call it whatever they want...I may not like it though.

Well i'd be fine with that... and i know rightly were your from by the way your talking.;) It is viewed differently here to it is in derry city because that is a catholic area.. how about we forget about derry city and talk about the rest of the county as far as the rest of the county it is county londonderry as far as derry city it is county derry..

Penfailed

owenc wrote: »

It is viewed differently here to it is in derry city because that is a catholic area..

Try telling that to people in the Fountain or the Waterside

owenc wrote: »

how about we forget about derry city and talk about the rest of the county as far as the rest of the county it is county londonderry as far as derry city it is county derry..

I'm not sure I understand this bit ^^^

chughes

Gerry Anderson christened it Stroke City. Sounds good to me.

owenc

Penfailed wrote: »

Try telling that to people in the Fountain or the Waterside



I'm not sure I understand this bit ^^^

Aw god don't talk about them canny stick them they are the worst.. They're the ones I have the most difficulties with as per say the name .. Im trying to say that the majority outside Derry city would call it county Londonderry.. I'd be for it to be changed to county Coleraine but no doubt theyd find a way to get offended by that.. Dont talk

biko

I just say Derry for city and county, easy and quick to say.

owenc

biko wrote: »

I just say Derry for city and county, easy and quick to say.

Naw there'd be a row over that.. Them Orangemen would be blowing the place up.. Nearly got beat up one day for saying Derry and I'm only a wane too..:rolleyes:

Penfailed

owenc wrote: »

Im trying to say that the majority outside Derry city would call it county Londonderry.

See, I reckon you'd be wrong. There is a Catholic majority in the county. I don't know any that would call it County Londonderry. On the other hand, I know lots of Protestants that call it County Derry.

dlofnep

Derry City, Derry County.. Or Doire. But never Londonderry.

owenc

Penfailed wrote: »

See, I reckon you'd be wrong. There is a Catholic majority in the county. I don't know any that would call it County Londonderry. On the other hand, I know lots of Protestants that call it County Derry.

Erm no there's not a catholic majority outside Derry because east londonderry is 60percent Protestant exactly so technically the majority of the landless of the county is Protestant . But thats not what it's about I say change The names of both if them

Penfailed

owenc wrote: »

Erm no there's not a catholic majority outside Derry because east londonderry is 60percent Protestant exactly.. But thats not what it's about I say change The names of both if them

Are you sure - Since 1981 it has become one of four counties in Northern Ireland that has a Catholic majority (55.56% according to the 2001 Census), with 57% of the Catholic population residing within Derry City Borough

owenc wrote: »

But thats not what it's about I say change The names of both if them

Personally, I'd prefer them to change both officially to Derry. As that is unlikely any time soon, I'd say keep it as it is and let the people call it what they want.

owenc

Penfailed wrote: »

Are you sure - Since 1981 it has become one of four counties in Northern Ireland that has a Catholic majority (55.56% according to the 2001 Census), with 57% of the Catholic population residing within Derry City Borough



Personally, I'd prefer them to change both officially to Derry. As that is unlikely any time soon, I'd say keep it as it is and let the people call it what they want.

Aye 57 percent of them living in Derry city that says something about the catholic population outside Derry city;) no I want them named something new because there will be rows and I don't want to call it county Derry because then you sound like a republican .. Anyway were are you from

Johnny_the_fox

Penfailed wrote: »

Personally, I'd prefer them to change both officially to Derry. As that is unlikely any time soon, I'd say keep it as it is and let the people call it what they want.

indeed. me too.

Johnny_the_fox

owenc wrote: »

I don't want to call it county Derry because then you sound like a republican ..

just because someone calls it County Derry - doesnt make them automatically republican.

Penfailed

owenc wrote: »

I want them named something new because there will be rows

There will be a row no matter what...you can't keep all of the people happy all of the time *shrugs*

owenc wrote: »

I don't want to call it county Derry because then you sound like a republican

Living in Macosquin, you may sound like a republican to your friends if you called it County Derry. This simply isn't the case for lots of people

owenc wrote: »

Anyway were are you from

I was specifically vague when typing my location over there <<< for a reason. Let's just say, I'm originally from a town in South Derry...but I no longer reside there

owenc

Johnny_the_fox wrote: »

just because someone calls it County Derry - doesnt make them automatically republican.

Well that's my opinion - you sound like someone from that background edit: not you directly

BOHtox

Dureh

owenc

Penfailed wrote: »

There will be a row no matter what...you can't keep all of the people happy all of the time *shrugs*



Living in Macosquin, you may sound like a republican to your friends if you called it County Derry. This simply isn't the case for lots of people



I was specifically vague when typing my location over there <<< for a reason. Let's just say, I'm originally from a town in South Derry...but I no longer reside there

Well yes that is true but only for the county because I don't know anyone in macosquin village who actually calls the city Londonderry nearly everyone calls the county county Londonderry though .. Well to prevent rows name it something that has nothing to do with that.. Let me guess maghera

Penfailed

owenc wrote: »

Well that's my opinion - you sound like someone from that background

Please. Not all Catholics are republicans...and I used the small 'r' on purpose.

owenc wrote: »

Let me guess maghera

Guess away...you're not going to get it out of me

deman

Depends on which bar I'm in in the city

owenc

deman wrote: »

Depends on which bar I'm in in the city

Tbh wouldn't go into ant of them after the stories i hear plus there's lots of fighting in them!!

owenc

Penfailed wrote: »

Please. Not all Catholics are republicans...and I used the small 'r' on purpose.



Guess away...you're not going to get it out of me

Uck come on you know what I'm talking about .. Aw well lol

Penfailed

owenc wrote: »

Tbh wouldn't go into ant of them after the stories i hear plus there's lots of fighting in them!!

Don't believe everything you hear. There's fighting in lots of bars in lots of towns and cities all over Ireland. When the drink's in the wit's out as a wise man once said

newmug

We should call it Dublinderry. Or after the real capital of Ireland, Taraderry

owenc

newmug wrote: »

We should call it Dublinderry. Or after the real capital of Ireland, Taraderry

No bloody way!!

newmug

owenc wrote: »

No bloody way!!

Now you know how it feels!!!!!!!!!!!! Imagine if it was FORCED upon you to call it that!

owenc

Penfailed wrote: »

Don't believe everything you hear. There's fighting in lots of bars in lots of towns and cities all over Ireland. When the drink's in the wit's out as a wise man once said

All bars are bad lol.. Whatever about bars..

owenc

newmug wrote: »

Now you know how it feels!!!!!!!!!!!! Imagine if it was FORCED upon you to call it that!

Lol love your reaction.. The thing is it's not forced the people have the choice

The Scientician

I just wish they'd bring back County Coleraine.

Whatever about what locals call that particular city, yiz need to come to some agreement for the sake of foreign visitors. It's a bit mad having all that slash nonsense.

newmug

owenc wrote: »

Lol love your reaction.. The thing is it's not forced the people have the choice

It was forced until 1998, and it took 30 years of kicking the british army's arse to get the right to change it. And we still dont have the choice properly, someone from Kerry, for example, would have no say in the naming of Derry, a city in their own country.

owenc

newmug wrote: »

It was forced until 1998, and it took 30 years of kicking the british army's arse to get the right to change it. And we still dont have the choice properly, someone from Kerry, for example, would have no say in the naming of Derry, a city in their own country.

.. And I wonder why.. You are in a different country nevermind county i think it's up to us not you's .. Btw never believe the republican myths that your grandparents told you it's all nonscence.. :rolleyes:

newmug

owenc wrote: »

.. And I wonder why.. You are in a different country nevermind county i think it's up to us not you's .. Btw never believe the republican myths that your grandparents told you it's all nonscence.. :rolleyes:

Not this sh1te again lad. A minute ago you said the people have the choice to change the name, now you're saying only a select bunch of people, with a specific citizenship, from within an artificial border, yet on occupied land, can vote to change the city's name. And then a slur on my grandparents? Cop yourself on lad. Tell me this, what language is the word "derry" from, and what does it mean?

Im Only 71Kg

The place is called DERRY confused tourists call it london derry..

owenc

newmug wrote: »

Not this sh1te again lad. A minute ago you said the people have the choice to change the name, now you're saying only a select bunch of people, with a specific citizenship, from within an artificial border, yet on occupied land, can vote to change the city's name. And then a slur on my grandparents? Cop yourself on lad. Tell me this, what language is the word "derry" from, and what does it mean?

No I said the people have the choice what to call it.. It should be renamed something else and tbh who cares I hate the place canny stick the place nor the accent constant whines in my ears Ewgh no harm Tay anyone from there... My mums from there so you canny say anything... Yes that is true why should yous have the choice when you don't even live in northern ireland I'd love to see your face if we named Dublin London.. You wouldnt like that would ye!?Oh and Its Irish obviously.. And no I don't know what it is in Irish because I don't speak Irish end of... One question do you republicans ever think what it would he like to be in a unionists shoes yous never seem to respect our opinions and always think you'd are right!

Penfailed

owenc wrote: »

It should be renamed something else and tbh who cares

You, obviously

owenc wrote: »

canny stick the place nor the accent constant whines in my ears Ewgh no harm Tay anyone from there... My mums from there so you canny say anything

You are typing as you speak...I can almost hear you say, "canny" and "tay"...the Macosquin/Kowlrain accent isn't all that either

owenc wrote: »

One question do you republicans ever think what it would he like to be in a unionists shoes yous never seem to respect our opinions and always think you'd are right!

Massive generalisation right there ^^^ BTW, people from the Republic are not necessarily republican. Chip needs to be removed from shoulder.

muffler

Within 24 hours we have more posts in this thread than the combined number of posts in the previous 7 threads put together with the oldest thread going back to December last year. I think that says a lot about the strength of feeling on this topic.

However this was debated to death before and I can see a few trolls appearing here with a good measure of baiting thrown into the mix.

Id ask you all to be very careful with your comments please and stay on topic.

K-9

Does County Derry/Londonderry/Oak Leaf actually exist anymore officially?

Think it's organised on Council Boroughs now.

pow wow

Poll added at the kind suggestion of a poster.

Is there going to be a public consultation (vote or similar) to do with the name change or is it just going to be discussed by the Council and implemented if agreed on?

owenc

K-9 wrote: »

Does County Derry/Londonderry/Oak Leaf actually exist anymore officially?

Think it's organised on Council Boroughs now.

I dont know about the city but county Londonderry still exists because it's on our letters..Oh and we don't do counties for local government anymore we do councils but we are making them larger because they are too small I think my areas and the majority of the county is joining up with north Antrim

getz

owenc wrote: »

I dont know about the city but county Londonderry still exists because it's on our letters..Oh and we don't do counties for local government anymore we do councils but we are making them larger because they are too small I think my areas and the majority of the county is joining up with north Antrim

they call it derry for the locals and the irish,but this year the the derry/londonderry council is advertising it as londonderry[city of culture]to the billions around the world,

owenc

getz wrote: »

they call it derry for the locals and the irish,but this year the the derry/londonderry council is advertising it as londonderry[city of culture]to the billions around the world,

God love the people who goto Derry who have to listen to that accent youll naw know whars hit you.. ( it's like a pile of wee girls whining and they constantly say the word lik btw not like .. And they pronounce the word not as nat as if there's an a in it a Ewgh they sound like Americans... Listen to your woman nadine coyle and you'll know what I'm talking about... They're not all like that though if you go outside derry a few miles the accent is better it's a bit like the Limavady accent which is basic northern Ireland.. ) but anyway good luck for them...

Penfailed

K-9 wrote: »

Does County Derry/Londonderry/Oak Leaf actually exist anymore officially?

Think it's organised on Council Boroughs now.

Yes. How else would they work out the boundaries for the GAA team?

Penfailed

pow wow wrote: »

Is there going to be a public consultation (vote or similar) to do with the name change or is it just going to be discussed by the Council and implemented if agreed on?

Unless the make-up of the council changes, there will be no official name change any time soon.