Person of Interest [** Spoilers **]

Antar Bolaeisk

Yeah the interaction of the two avatars was a bit daft, almost like they became the AIs, taking on mannerisms and affectations rather than just relaying words as prompted.

Still, another great episode and ratchets up the tension yet again.

ixoy

Excellent episode and the stakes are being raised higher. When Root/TheMachine acknowledged that Samaritan would destroy her/it, a chill went down my spine.

Just think of how this show has changed: in the first season it was John getting numbers from some machine that was, for the viewer, little more than a computer program. Now the basic story has evolved so much that there's two AIs going to war on the fate of mankind.

CastorTroy

You think Samaritan will be dealt with by the end of the season? Wondering where they go from here

expectationlost

Antar Bolaeisk wrote: »

Yeah the interaction of the two avatars was a bit daft, almost like they became the AIs, taking on mannerisms and affectations rather than just relaying words as prompted.

that seemed to be the case for his henchman too, and the henchlady in previous eps, and root before that.

conorhal

I've had to radically reassess this show, I'd dropped it thinking that the series was just a dressed up procedural with a twist but I did dip back in towards the end of season two (or possibly 3, I'm not sure which series is currently running on RTE2) but the end of the last season a few weeks back was possibly the smartest, hard-core sci-fi I've seen on television in a very long time. It made Interstellar look as stupid as it was, but few seem to have recognised that this is in fact the most thoughtful and well written sci fi series on air.

conorhal

conorhal wrote: »

I've had to radically reassess this show, I'd dropped it thinking that the series was just a dressed up procedural with a twist but I did dip back in towards the end of season two (or possibly 3, I'm not sure which series is currently running on RTE2) but the end of the last season a few weeks back was possibly the smartest, hard-core sci-fi I've seen on television in a very long time. It made Interstellar look as stupid as it was, but few seem to have recognised that this is in fact the most thoughtful and well written sci fi series on air.

Shhh don't call it Sci-Fi. I know some people who love this but "hate" Sci-Fi.
One of its successes is hiding that it is really a modern set science fiction show

conorhal

Deleted User wrote: »

Shhh don't call it Sci-Fi. I know some people who love this but "hate" Sci-Fi.
One of its successes is hiding that it is really a modern set science fiction show

Such people often think of sci-fi as somthing that involves the far flung future in deep space, PoI explores the idea of a singluarity coming into existence and the implications of that for our world, like all good sci-fi it explores the quandries of modern society and morality through the prism of the fantastic.
PoI does this in a really considered and smart manner, I hope it continues to do so.

conorhal

conorhal wrote: »

Such people often think of sci-fi as somthing that involves the far flung future in deep space, PoI explores the idea of a singluarity coming into existence and the implications of that for our world, like all good sci-fi it explores the quandries of modern society and morality through the prism of the fantastic.
PoI does this in a really considered and smart manner, I hope it continues to do so.

All true but if you label it Sci-Fi I can guarantee that some people will immediately write it off, without ever watching it

Nalz

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Am I the only one who thought the kid being the voice of Samaritan was a bit far fetched?

Nope you're not! I actually was a bit pissed off at it tbh

ixoy

Trilla wrote: »

Nope you're not! I actually was a bit pissed off at it tbh

Wasn't a big fan of that particular trope. It does fall in a little with what we've seen before when Finch stopped the free tablet scheme that he feared would indoctrinate kids. This shows how his fear of kids being malleable could be true. Also a glimpse of what Samaritan sees for its future vision of the world.
Would have been more interesting to have a happy kid rather than what they did.

Ageyev

Who was the kid? Where did he come from? I thought his performance was a bit silly, like something from The Omen or The Exorcist.

Nalz

Ageyev wrote: »

Who was the kid? Where did he come from? I thought his performance was a bit silly, like something from The Omen or The Exorcist.

Great acting
but he shouldn't of even been there tbh

ixoy

Trilla wrote: »

Great acting
but he shouldn't of even been there tbh

In fact why didn't they use the girl from the second episode who, after playing a deadly series of games, was recruited by Samaritan? It would have had more of an emotional impact too.

Agent Coulson

The one thing I have learned for PoI is don't judge it before the season finales.

There might just be another reason the young boy was used.

Agent Coulson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The one thing I have learned for PoI is don't judge it before the season finales.

There might just be another reason the young boy was used.

Other than having a hearing aid like Root

Nalz

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The one thing I have learned for PoI is don't judge it before the season finales.

There might just be another reason the young boy was used.

couldn't help but think of the sixth sense watching it

Deleted User wrote: »

Other than having a hearing aid like Root

exactly

Ageyev

ixoy wrote: »

In fact why didn't they use the girl from the second episode who, after playing a deadly series of games, was recruited by Samaritan? It would have had more of an emotional impact too.

Good shout, I was looking forward to seeing her again after that episode.

Speaking of recurring characters where is Zoe Morgan? I though it odd that she was absent in the series 3 finale.

Ageyev

Ageyev wrote: »

Good shout, I was looking forward to seeing her again after that episode.

Speaking of recurring characters where is Zoe Morgan? I though it odd that she was absent in the series 3 finale.

She not tied up with "The 100"?

Mr. G

This episode was really good imo.

CastorTroy wrote: »

You think Samaritan will be dealt with by the end of the season? Wondering where they go from here

As a prediction, I think not. But PoI can't continue on without the Machine, that's the whole basis for Rease, Finch, Root etc. Or is it? Something will happen though, very hard to predict what the season finale will be like. It's going to be good.

I really hope that it doesn't finish after Season 4.

Ageyev wrote: »

Good shout, I was looking forward to seeing her again after that episode.

Speaking of recurring characters where is Zoe Morgan? I though it odd that she was absent in the series 3 finale.

I thought she'd be in the last episode seemingly as they said there would be recurring characters.

Here is the promo for the next one:

I really hope Root is alive at the end. PoI wouldn't be the same without her. Maybe Zoe Morgan might replace Root??

DeWitt

Deleted User wrote: »

She not tied up with "The 100"?

Yep, though she has managed to free up her schedule for one guest appearance this season from what I've read.

Ageyev

I for one would like to see Zoe battle some of the Samaritan goons. Iirc though she's not fully clued in to how The Machine works.

Joss' death hit me kinda hard so I'm worried about more casualties but Zoe could fill in easy enough I'd say.

Mr E

Wow that trailer looked great! Maybe that would have been a better mid season finale? Never heard it referred to as a trilogy before....

stevenmu

Mr E wrote: »

Wow that trailer looked great! Maybe that would have been a better mid season finale? Never heard it referred to as a trilogy before....

I was a bit confused by that, but I think they're referring to a run of 3 episodes.

Agent Coulson

Mr E wrote: »

Wow that trailer looked great! Maybe that would have been a better mid season finale? Never heard it referred to as a trilogy before....

Last season when Carter died was died was a 3 episode special this season they had a 3 episode arc based around Elias.

So the trilogies are now looking like a mini arc season changers in the overall season arc.

Nalz

guys when is episode 11 out?

Antar Bolaeisk

January 6th in America.

Agent Coulson

:eek::eek::eek: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. :(:(


WOW I'm lost for words that might be the best episode yet.

Ageyev

Agent Coulson wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. :(:(


WOW I'm lost for words that might be the best episode yet.

Me too.

Got a bit fed up of the Groundhog Day thing by the final simulation though. I figured that someone was dying after they teased it in the previous sims and wasn't surprised it was Shaw as she's probably the most replaceable character (or at least that's what the writers may have thought).

The bomb vest guy was a bit of a silly plot point. Bit too contrived overall.

DeWitt

I'm not okay. Man, that episode was something else. The promo for next weeks just broke my heart into a million pieces too.

So grateful for this show. It never dissapoints. POI Groundhog day A+++++

drugstore cowboy

Powerful final scene. Wow.

Mr E

Glorious.

DeWitt

'Person of Interest' producers on

's death, that big kiss


http://t.co/ozGJmtY1Hi

And I cry. Chuffed for Sarah, and here's hoping she will come back some day.

Tokyo

Stayed up until 3am to watch this, and glad I did. Great sendoff to an amazing character,

though the door is open to a return in the future??

Mr E

Absolutely, thats what I think too. Could be Samaritan's physical body in a few years - Cyborg Shaw? Yes please!

Tokyo

Yep - a physical manifestation of Samaritan would make an interesting contrast to Root, who is effectively the real world representation of The Machine. I don't think it's the last we've seen of Sarah Shahi.

Alfred Borden

And that's why POI is the best thing on television. Outstanding episode!

Antar Bolaeisk

There are just not enough emoticons.

Brilliant episode, very well executed, I loved the simplified simulation bit.

I did not shed a tear at the end, nope, no man tears, definitely not. It was just raining, inside...

Mr. G

Finally they kissed. Really hope Sarah comes back like that would be awesome!

I wonder what will happen next week? Best episode ever, was a bit repetitive in the middle though, especially when the machine slows down.

CastorTroy

I never even considered that she could be alive, but maybe she was spared last minute on Samaritan's orders. Though I'm sure The Machine would see and let Root know.

I wouldn't want to be a member of Team Samaritan meeting Root any time soon, especially that blonde. I actually wouldn't mind seeing a back story for her and the Samaritan guy.
Speaking of, how come he didn't come into the server room in the last scenario? Was it because they got in without the alarm going off?

enjoyed the lightheartedness in the last scenario where they just basically spoke as the Machine interprets them, plus Fusco kissing Root since it's a simulation.

As for the ending, after Root putting herself out there in the second scenario before dying, that just added to the ending,

Gingervitis

There was a debate on Reddit as to whether a 13 episode run is better than a 22 episode run. The common consensus is that it is, unless it's a sitcom, with no major arc or serial story.

Person of Interest is the only show I can think of that is better served by the extra episodes. It's an anomaly. A wolf in sheep's clothing, that people are still slow to come around and appreciate. I haven't been this invested since Fringe or Lost.

Also, that music...just subscribed to a Spotify playlist of Person of Interest. Every song knocks it out of the park.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbAUwi4D3Ew

MOH

First time I watched it I thought the last sound was the elevator door closing. Listening again through earphones it sounded more like a gunshot. Be a little bit of a cop out if she's not actually dead, but one I could live with.

Brilliant episode. The bit or repetition in the middle made a bit more sense when you consider the ad breaks there would have been in between.

Don't know how they kept a straight face in the simplified simulation: "Mildly agitated declaration of mission completion"

Mr. G

We're going to see if Shaw is alive or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGYaq4IhvLU

Will be interested to see Control's response. I think the actor for Control is brilliant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGYaq4IhvLU

CastorTroy

I've said before, but the great thing about this show is even if one of the other scenarios had played out, all the characters are so well written that the show could continue strongly when one dies, while other shows rely heavily on one or 2 characters.

So with a second female character apparently being killed off, I'd say there's a good chance we'll be getting a new one. Any suggestions? I was trying to think of an existing character. Zoe is now in The 100 so wouldn't be her. Was thinking the undercover IA agent that Reese helped, but the similarities to Shaw would be too much.
Another possibility could be another guy in the form of the guy Shaw trained.

Or just someone new.

Axwell

Brilliant episode, loved every minute of it and loving this trilogy episode idea. Either way Sarah is going to be missing from the show, shes due twins and is at the point where doctors said she had to stop working. So whatever the outcome we wont be seeing her back for quite a while, if at all. Hope they leave it open for her to come back into it at some point though and she comes back even more badass!

squonk

Not sure I've seen anything that fantastically good in ages! I loved the algorithmic progression of the episode, searching through decision trees, evaluating possible outcomes and going with the best! Bloody hell that was so well put together!

I'm gutted about Shaw. I loved her character and while the show will easilly continue on, I'm really going to miss her. I love though that PoI isn't one of those dumb shows where her pregnancy means the writers have her just go tend to a sick relative in Wisconsin or something for half a season only for her to return again!

Much as I like Shaw, I think it'd serve the series better if she has died and remains dead. I know there's a possibility there that she could return but given the show doesn't pull any punches, I respect them for being brave and for also holding to the premise that no character is safe, except for perhaps Harold and John.

Regarding the 13 v 22 episode arc debate, I think too that PoI is better having 22. The reason that works though is that they effectively structure the show into two mini seasons per season. Last year we had the HR climax coming mid way through the run, followed by the rise of Samaritan thereafter. I thnk you could take those as almost separate mini seasons apiece. I think the same is happening this time round where we have the leadup to the Samaritan/Machine war but we also have the Elias/Drug dealer arc waiting in the wings.

No doubt about it, this is a fine, fine show. If it gets cancelled at this stage I'll flip!

gordongekko

Great last scene but the plot hole throughout the episode were just annoying.

FreudianSlippers

On paper, that episode shouldn't have worked - it's close to a shark-jump IMHO. But they pulled it off.

MOH

CastorTroy wrote: »

So with a second female character apparently being killed off, I'd say there's a good chance we'll be getting a new one. Any suggestions?

Or just someone new.

The only other one I can think of is the girl playing the scavenger hunt game that they saved in ep2 or 3, who seemed to end up going to work for Samaritan. But she's probably a bit too similar a character to Harold.

If anyone, I'd say it's someone new.

Antar Bolaeisk

Maybe they could get a new friend for Bear

Gingervitis

MOH wrote: »

The only other one I can think of is the girl playing the scavenger hunt game that they saved in ep2 or 3, who seemed to end up going to work for Samaritan. But she's probably a bit too similar a character to Harold.

If anyone, I'd say it's someone new.

My money is on the guy from Spartacus. (Shaw's partner or protégé)