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celt262

I heard that quiet a few lads are heading to America after the Armagh game i hope to god that there is little truth in that.

Lemlin

celt262 wrote: »

I heard that quiet a few lads are heading to America after the Armagh game i hope to god that there is little truth in that.

I would think there is little truth in it. Any alleged names?

Syferus

We had a situation like that last year with some players leaving for the US after the Galway game. Antrim had some players opting out mid-season too. It's a sad fact of life for a lot of counties these days because US clubs make nearly irresistible offers to lure county players over for the summer.

Players might only be considering offers - Senan Kilbride was doing similar last month for us - but in a lot of cases players won't be making a definite decision for a while yet.

munchkin_utd

celt262 wrote: »

I heard that quiet a few lads are heading to America after the Armagh game i hope to god that there is little truth in that.

not sure if thats still possible, I thought a rule came in recently and I found this in the official guide:

A player who has been included on an InterCounty Senior Championship list submitted to the Referee, in accordance with Rules of Specification 2.5 (ii)(a) for a game in the current year’s Championship shall not be eligible to be accepted for Registration as a member of any Club in the North American County Board Jurisdiction.

http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/official_guides/Official_Guide_2012_Part1.pdf (rule 6.11 b (ii) page 74)

Lemlin

munchkin_utd wrote: »

not sure if thats still possible, I thought a rule came in recently and I found this in the official guide:


http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/official_guides/Official_Guide_2012_Part1.pdf (rule 6.11 b (ii) page 74)

I thought it was untrue alright. These lads have put in a lot of work and aren't going to just walk away without even playing in the qualifiers IMO.

cavan4sam

The sad reality is that a lot of these players wont be afforded the luxury to sit around and wait for the qualifiers , i'm pretty sure that a fairly high percentage of them have student loans etc to be repaid .

i think it's a unique opportunity for a lot of these players and would not begrudge them the opportunity to make a few quid on the back of their talent .

i would like to see them stay until after the qualifiers but i understand that the players must be sanctioned for 90 days or at least it was when i played there back a number of years ago

however i doubt that many of them have signed up yet and doubt they will should we beat armagh .

Tom Joad

I'm torn on this one to be honest. I know that when the qualifiers came in first that certain people around the county set-up thought that the qualifiers were not worth the effort and were beneath Cavan. That filtered down and has taken a while to get rid of that attitude and has gone a long way to explain our frankly shocking record in the qualifiers.

I can though understand that the players have sacrificed a lot and there is an opportunity for them in the states as cavan4sam has said but surely the qualifiers are worth sticking around for (I know it can be a long wait) especially when you have trained so hard all winter and spring for the championship - look at the runs some counties such as Fermanagh and Sligo have had in the qualifiers through taking the right attitude. If I was in Terry's shoes I would get the lads to sign-up for the long haul and not just the championship.

While I feel the Armagh match is a massive one for Cavan football and for me a must win, even if we don't win we should have a real crack at the qualifiers.

I really don't want to be here in a fortnight navel gazing about how close we came to beating Armagh and how big a loss GMac was and how we could have won without him and how a few lads are going off to America but never mind we have good underage teams coming through - that will be another wasted year for Cavan football..

Lemlin

Time to get some chat going here with a week to the game.

My championship 15 (if all are available, rumours floating around that Jack Brady won't be).

Alan O'Meara if fit

Killian Clarke
James McEnroe
Jason McLoughlin

John McCutcheon
Alan Clarke
Damien Reilly

Mossie Corr
David Givney

Cian Mackey
Barry Reilly
Mark McKeever

Martin Dunne
Eugene Keating
Jack Brady

Those close to a start would be Oisin Minagh, Martin Reilly, Niall McDermott, Niall Smith (although he's missing a while), Joshua Hayes, Rory Dunne and Fergal Flanagan.

Tom Joad

Hard to believe its only a week to championship :eek:

for what its worth my starting 15 would be

Alan O'Meara (if not fit Gilsenan)

Killian Clarke
Rory Dunne
Jason McLoughlin

Ronan Flanagan
Alan Clarke
James McEnroe

Mossie Corr
David Givney

Cian Mackey
Declan McKiernan/ Turloc Mooney
Mark McKeever

Martin Dunne
Eugene Keating
Jack Brady

Lemlin

Armagh team named tonight:


Armagh: P McEvoy; P McKeown, D McKenna, M Shields; A Kernan, B Donaghy, C McKeever; S Harold, J Lavery; C Rafferty, C O’Hanlon, K Dyas; T Kernan, J Clarke, S Forker.

Lemlin

Cavan will line out 1 to 15 as follows:

1. Conor Gilsenan (Bailieborough Shamrocks)
2. Jason McLoughlin (Shannon Gaels)
3. Rory Dunne (Redhills)
4. Killian Clarke (Shercock)
5. James McEnroe (Ramor United)
6. Alan Clarke (Kingscourt) Captain
7. Ronan Flanagan (Castlerahan)
8. Damien O'Reilly (Belturbet)
9. David Givney (Mountnugent)
10. Cian Mackey (Castlerahan)
11. Jack Brady (Ramor United)
12. Feargal Flanagan (Butlersbridge)
13. Niall McDermott (Ballinagh)
14. Martin Dunne (Cavan Gaels)
15. Eugene Keating (Saint Sylvesters)

I would hope there will be a couple of changes before the game. I would hope to see Mark McKeever start at the expense of Niall McDermott.

Tom Joad

Lemlin wrote: »

Cavan will line out 1 to 15 as follows:

1. Conor Gilsenan (Bailieborough Shamrocks)
2. Jason McLoughlin (Shannon Gaels)
3. Rory Dunne (Redhills)
4. Killian Clarke (Shercock)
5. James McEnroe (Ramor United)
6. Alan Clarke (Kingscourt) Captain
7. Ronan Flanagan (Castlerahan)
8. Damien O'Reilly (Belturbet)
9. David Givney (Mountnugent)
10. Cian Mackey (Castlerahan)
11. Jack Brady (Ramor United)
12. Feargal Flanagan (Butlersbridge)
13. Niall McDermott (Ballinagh)
14. Martin Dunne (Cavan Gaels)
15. Eugene Keating (Saint Sylvesters)

I would hope there will be a couple of changes before the game. I would hope to see Mark McKeever start at the expense of Niall McDermott.

Happy with 1-7 - way I called it. Rory Dunne will have to mind Clarke and someone will have to follow forker and kernan too..

No Mossie Corr or Mark McKeever:eek::eek:. Two of our best players in the league - does Damien O'Reilly play midfield for his club??

Any word on the minors - hearing some daft stories coming out of Breffni about them..

Fairly predictable team. McKeever left out and McDermott starting is the shocks I suppose. If Corr is injured I suppose Damien O'Reilly is our next best option at midfield. Hard to know how the team will line out though even if it starts as named!

What stories you hearing about the Minors Tom? You can PM me if you'd rather not post it..

Lemlin

Tom Joad wrote: »

Happy with 1-7 - way I called it. Rory Dunne will have to mind Clarke and someone will have to follow forker and kernan too..

No Mossie Corr or Mark McKeever:eek::eek:. Two of our best players in the league - does Damien O'Reilly play midfield for his club??

Any word on the minors - hearing some daft stories coming out of Breffni about them..

Corr was meant to be carrying a knock. I still think we could see both start. I wouldn't be surprised to see 3 or 4 changes.

The only game Reilly started at midfield in the league was the Fermanagh game where he lasted less than ten minutes.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Clarke out at midfield and the backs shifted round.

I spoke to an Armagh man I know today and he was saying they are very buoyed by Cavan losing McKiernan.

The full forward line is clearly the strongest area of their team he said and they have a midfielder, can't remember which, who is returning 2 to 3 points a game.

cavan4sam

Lemlin wrote: »

Cavan will line out 1 to 15 as follows:

1. Conor Gilsenan (Bailieborough Shamrocks)
2. Jason McLoughlin (Shannon Gaels)
3. Rory Dunne (Redhills)
4. Killian Clarke (Shercock)
5. James McEnroe (Ramor United)
6. Alan Clarke (Kingscourt) Captain
7. Ronan Flanagan (Castlerahan)
8. Damien O'Reilly (Belturbet)
9. David Givney (Mountnugent)
10. Cian Mackey (Castlerahan)
11. Jack Brady (Ramor United)
12. Feargal Flanagan (Butlersbridge)
13. Niall McDermott (Ballinagh)
14. Martin Dunne (Cavan Gaels)
15. Eugene Keating (Saint Sylvesters)

I would hope there will be a couple of changes before the game. I would hope to see Mark McKeever start at the expense of Niall McDermott.

i'd have thought he'd have started miller in goals , gilsenan is not a man for the big occassion

also thought mc keever and mc cutcheon did enough to start

still i think we can put it up to armagh if we can contain clarke

Lemlin

cavan4sam wrote: »

i'd have thought he'd have started miller in goals , gilsenan is not a man for the big occassion

also thought mc keever and mc cutcheon did enough to start

still i think we can put it up to armagh if we can contain clarke

McKeever, McCutcheon and Corr all allegedly have injuries.

Gilsenen is the right 'keeper to go for. Reilly has shown in recent years that he's a shadow of the player twice nominated for an all star in the mid 00s.

Remember too that Gilsenen is good to knock over a 45, even from a difficult angle.

celt262

Lemlin wrote: »

McKeever, McCutcheon and Corr all allegedly have injuries.

Gilsenen is the right 'keeper to go for. Reilly has shown in recent years that he's a shadow of the player twice nominated for an all star in the mid 00s.

Remember too that Gilsenen is good to knock over a 45, even from a difficult angle.

He is also very likely to do something stupid but it may be the right step to get someone new in just wish he had some league time.

Lemlin

celt262 wrote: »

He is also very likely to do something stupid but it may be the right step to get someone new in just wish he had some league time.

Why is he "very likely" to do something stupid? He made a mistake in the All Ireland semi this year and last year. Are you forgetting the three other games he played in each year?

Reilly is far more likely to be a liability.

Lemlin

Lemlin wrote: »

Why is he "very likely" to do something stupid? He made a mistake in the All Ireland semi this year and last year. Are you forgetting the three other games he played in each year?

Reilly is far more likely to be a liability.

Remember when Reilly came out of goal v Kildare last year dribblin the ball at his feet? If you saw it at Junior B you'd laugh. Reilly hasn't played well in a long time. Gilsenan deserves his shot.

celt262

Lemlin wrote: »

Why is he "very likely" to do something stupid? He made a mistake in the All Ireland semi this year and last year. Are you forgetting the three other games he played in each year?

Reilly is far more likely to be a liability.

Yes 3 other games in each year

I think you guys are showing a lack of respect to a man who saved Cavan from even worse beatings to what they got down through the years.

celt262

KeepTheFaith wrote: »

Remember when Reilly came out of goal v Kildare last year dribblin the ball at his feet? If you saw it at Junior B you'd laugh. Reilly hasn't played well in a long time. Gilsenan deserves his shot.

I never said that he didn't.

Hammar

Lads i don't know if we have any Shamrocks on boards.ie,but what is the deal with Alan O Mara and Conor Gilsenan not playing much with Baileborough? I know Gilsenan had a transfer to Killinkere turned down earlier this year ,but whats the problem with O Mara??

As for the team on Sunday,I'm normally very optimistic regarding Cavan football, but i have to be honest in saying that i'm pretty perplexed by this team selection , John McCutcheon has to be a definite starter when fit,He is one of the best players in the county week in week out.Surely Barry Reily/Martin Reily should start because they are our best and perhaps only free kick takers from the ground,. Mark McKeever has had a very good league campaign also and is desperately unlucky not to start. Fergal Flanagan at wing forward???? Hes a good player but that is not his position.

I would be hoping that there will be a host of changes before throw-in on Sunday.

Lemlin

celt262 wrote: »

Yes 3 other games in each year

I think you guys are showing a lack of respect to a man who saved Cavan from even worse beatings to what they got down through the years.

I have always spoken very highly of James. I remember numerous games where he saved us from severe beatings. That was then and this is now though.

You are the one being unfair saying Gilsenan is likely to do something stupid.

celt262

Lemlin wrote: »

I have always spoken very highly of James. I remember numerous games where he saved us from severe beatings. That was then and this is now though.
You are the one being unfair saying Gilsenan is likely to do something stupid.

How is it unfair i have seen him make two possible game costing mistakes in 8 games

Lemlin

celt262 wrote: »

How is it unfair i have seen him make two possible game costing mistakes in 8 games

Gilsenen wasn't at fault for the loss to Cork. We were second best on the day and that is that.

Yes, so he's had six solid games where he performed well yet you are emphasising the two where he made mistakes.

At this stage Reilly is making a mistake a game. I don't think it was a penalty against Fermanagh this year but he still had no need to leave his line.

Last year against Kildare was a farce and, in the league last year, he almost cost us the Sligo game by coming out of his goal to totally miss a ball. He was just lucky Damien Reilly caught it and not a Sligo man.

Andrews even dropped him for Fannin, an outfield player, last year.

celt262

Lemlin wrote: »

Gilsenen wasn't at fault for the loss to Cork. We were second best on the day and that is that.

Yes, so he's had six solid games where he performed well yet you are emphasising the two where he made mistakes.

Two very costly mistakes

At this stage Reilly is making a mistake a game. I don't think it was a penalty against Fermanagh this year but he still had no need to leave his line.

Should he have let the lad walk it in? What mistakes has he made in the other games?

Last year against Kildare was a farce

So its millers fault we lost to Kildare?


, in the league last year, he almost cost us the Sligo game by coming out of his goal to totally miss a ball. He was just lucky Damien Reilly caught it and not a Sligo man.

Hasn't cost us many games over the years

Andrews even dropped him for Fannin, an outfield player, last year.

That went well

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Lemlin

celt262 wrote: »

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Like I said, the mistake against Cork didn't lose Cavan the game. Being the second best team on the day did. I wasn't at the Roscommon game last year due to a wedding but, from people I know and whose opinion I would trust, a poor and biased Meath ref cost us the game. Not Gilsenen.

Were you at the Fermanagh game? Because from your reply it sounds like you don't know the circumstance of the penalty. Reilly came out to try and catch a ball when there was a covering back there. There was no need for him to leave his line. If the Fermanagh man caught the ball he still had to get the ball down, wrestle off the back and then contend with Reilly on the line. It was hardly leaving him to walk the ball in if Reilly didn't go for it. In fact, the back had it well covered IMO.

I just named three mistakes that come to mind straight away above and those are all games in the last twelve months. Considering he hasn't featured in that many surely that's proof enough.

Did I say he cost us the Kildare game? No, like another poster above, I was pointing to his ridiculous antics that you wouldn't see in a junior B game.

He saved us in plenty of games over the years and was a great servant but, like I said, that was then and this is now.

celt262

Lemlin wrote: »

Like I said, the mistake against Cork didn't lose Cavan the game. Being the second best team on the day did. I wasn't at the Roscommon game last year due to a wedding but, from people I know and whose opinion I would trust, a poor and biased Meath ref cost us the game. Not Gilsenen.

Still a very bad mistake no matter what way you dress it up.

Were you at the Fermanagh game?
I was indeed.
Because from your reply it sounds like you don't know the circumstance of the penalty. Reilly came out to try and catch a ball when there was a covering back there. There was no need for him to leave his line.

It was that close to the goals he had to go for it, the keeper should always go for the ball in that area.

If the Fermanagh man caught the ball he still had to get the ball down, wrestle off the back and then contend with Reilly on the line. It was hardly leaving him to walk the ball in if Reilly didn't go for it. In fact, the back had it well covered IMO.

I just named three mistakes that come to mind straight away above and those are all games in the last twelve months. Considering he hasn't featured in that many surely that's proof enough.

That fact that he hasn't played in that many is alright to use against him but its not for Gilsenen.

Did I say he cost us the Kildare game? No, like another poster above, I was pointing to his ridiculous antics that you wouldn't see in a junior B game.

What else did you want him to do when none of his team mates were looking for the ball.

He saved us in plenty of games over the years and was a great servant but, like I said, that was then and this is now.

I don't know why you are so defensive of Gilsenen all that i said was that he is likely to do something stupid, which he has done in two all-ireland semi finals.

Lemlin

celt262 wrote: »

I don't know why you are so defensive of Gilsenen all that i said was that he is likely to do something stupid, which he has done in two all-ireland semi finals.

Clear his lines. Thump the ball down the pitch. There were plenty of things he could have done.

I'm defensive because I'm tired of people being highly critical of the young players. Gilsenen is the best option available and deserves his chance.

celt262

Lemlin wrote: »

Clear his lines. Thump the ball down the pitch. There were plenty of things he could have done.

I'm defensive because I'm tired of people being highly critical of the young players. Gilsenen is the best option available and deserves his chance.

Yeah but that doesn't change the fact he is prone to costly errors.