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Fair play to Kilkenny yesterday ending somehow with 3-1. I was 1 of about 30/40 people there, 95% of us were frfom Carlow. Kilkenny have no support at all, bar a few family members of the lads on the team I'd say.
It was a strange old game. 1st up Carlow played about half a regular team and at that most of them were out of position. Our sub keeper who actually has been no 1 for last 3/4 years had a nightmare, spilled one effort from way out into the goal and was bet to a 80/20 ball in his favour for a 2nd. 3rd Kilkenny goal got a nice deflection into forwards arms and he did stick it away well. But think that will end our keepers chance of being Carlow goalie again, he's about 34 has been there for years but really messed up bad yesterday and will be surprised if he is seen again.
Ok sounds good that they got 3-1, but in reality they are shocking. We got 2-21 and kicked lots of wides, and had 2 of 3 playing who would be lucky to make a Kilkenny side. Just hope once and for all Luke Dempsey forgets about them after seeing that yesterday.
It was a routine win with a 2nd string, Kilkenny tried but were terrible even at the basics. It was all just hoof it and hope for the best. Did work out for the goals but most weeks it won't.
Knew we'd beat them by around that, in my prediction on the NFL pools thread here I predicted a Carlow win by 17 pts...and that is exactly how it finished
(Wasn't me in goal by the way!!) 0 -
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At present there is zero interest in the sport in Kilkenny.
However I really don't see what the big deal with Kilkenny not fielding a strong football team. If there is no interest in football there then leave the other 31 counties at it. Football is strong enough, it doesn't need to be strong in 32 counties.
Why is it so important to you that Kilkenny put out a competitive football team?
It is very naive to think that there is ZERO interest in football in kk. There are club teams and a county team.
It has been commented that the interest level is there at primary school level - yet more interest, but not developed! It should be. But apparently all this interest is Zero
kk footballers do not have to be a strong team, competitive to some degree in div4 would do. It would not be hard to even with the limited interest in football that admittedly exists in kk. A limited interest - in the Right hands - would do for me.0 -
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Well at the time it sure seemed like you did forget given that you appeared to think the skill levels of the sport were the only reason.;)
Sorry for the misunderstanding anyway. When first read it seemed like your post arguing KK should be better was implying that I had taken the opposite view. I didn't realise that you weren't offering any counter-argument to my post.
It's all good fella
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It is very naive to think that there is ZERO interest in football in kk. There are club teams and a county team.
It has been commented that the interest level is there at primary school level - yet more interest, but not developed! It should be. But apparently all this interest is Zero
kk footballers do not have to be a strong team, competitive to some degree in div4 would do. It would not be hard to even with the limited interest in football that admittedly exists in kk. A limited interest - in the Right hands - would do for me.
There is zero interest among the sports going public. Fine there are club teams and county teams, how many people go to the matches?
Have you ever been in croke park when a football game precedes the hurling involving Kilkenny? There is no appetite for the game in Kilkenny.
I personally don't see a problem with this it seems to be only outsiders who see this as a huge problem yet they can't explain why.
Why is it so important to you that Kilkenny be competitive in Division 4?0 -
adrian522 wrote:I didn't say they were a disgrace you did.
Really?adrian522 wrote:When you argue that the Kilkenny county board are a disgrace and an embarrassment I can agreeadrian522 wrote:At present there is zero interest in the sport in Kilkenny.
So those players in the Kilkenny shirts that played Carlow and the admittedly small amount of supporters that were there equals zero? Perhaps they were from Mars! Come on, even the Kilkenny people posting in the thread have said there is some interest. They have said, even in the same thread that there is no interest and then go on to talk about the Kilkenny footballers that they know. Interest is tiny but it is there. The main thing is that it is not nurtured by the powers that be and that interest is diminished and lost. There is interest there and there are footballers there, as Kilkenny people in this thread have said. Time and time again what comes through is how those players are not being encouraged, even ones that can't get onto Hurling teams, and so get lost completely. We've seen Kilkenny people in this thread say how sad that is, like Bruschi said in post 240. Success would breed interest. Success doesn't meaning winning competitions, but at least winning matches or failing that, performing well in them. As little interest as there is you could be certain that if they got the support from the powers that be and as a result were able to put a run of good performances and even wins together that a few more of the good GAA people of Kilkenny would come out to watch the next time they played.
As you said yourself, the manager isn't the only problem Nevertheless, picking up the phone and ringing an available high profile manager would be a step in the right direction. It couldn't be done in isolation, so other things would have to be put in place, but if they were done it could make a difference. If there was the initiative to pick up the phone and make that call, then you can be sure that those other initiatives would be done in parallel. It would put down a marker and show something was being done.
Just imagine if the Kilkenny county board announced in the morning that Mick O'Dwyer or some other high profile manager was to take charge of the Kilkenny footballers. It would grab some attention, even in Kilkenny. Before Mick O'Dwyer Wicklow were certainly way ahead of where Kilkenny are now so I am not comparing them on that basis, but when Mick O'Dwyer went there, it created a bigger buzz and players that might not otherwise have done so, started to make a commitment. Despite the alleged "zero interest" in Football in Kilkenny, you could guarantee that there would be an unusually large turnout at a Mick O'Dwyer-led Kilkenny Football training session. A lot more players and supporters would be there, as would be the case at their first competitive fixture after that. You could be sure that they'd perform a lot better too.
What have Kilkenny to lose by trying something like that, and don't say Hurling would suffer because it certainly wouldn't? I would love to see a Kilkenny county board do something like that. They are the source of the problem that undermines football. Some of the other county boards have taken initiatives to improve their weaker game, not all but some. It would be great to see Kilkenny to do it. If anything, because they have a strong Hurling base, they could actually be at an advantage over some of the other counties trying to get their games moving. Some other counties have problems in both codes, but have tried. Kilkenny have a proven model that they can use a lot of, so in some ways they are ahead of counties like Westmeath or Wicklow or Longford and many others who traditionally were weak in both codes. Westmeath built minor teams in the 90s and began to progress, then win things and in 2004 that all reaped benefits when they won the Leinster senior championship. Westmeath got the breakthrough, but such an achievement was as crazy a thought 20 years ago as the idea of a highly competitive Kilkenny team is now. Kilkenny could do something like that, and start a project to build football. It is what they should do. Yes - before you start saying it again - other counties should be doing this kind of thing too, but as we keep having to say: this is a thread about Kilkenny Football. I'd love to see Longford, having beaten Kilkenny, play Louth, who had just beat Wexford, in a Leinster Hurling final. I would say all of that in a thread about that issue, but this is a thread about Kilkenny Football, so that is why we keep saying it about Kilkenny Football.
So come on you guys, play ball with us here, and stop talking about the problems and lack of interest that we know are in Kilkenny, and tell us what should be done to change that. Maybe you have no interest and don't want to change it... but humour us. So to those that have been giving us the excuses and debating with us about all of this: You are on the Kilkenny county board and have been given special responsibility to do something about the state of Football in the county, so what would you do? Come on now, as proud Kilkenny GAA people, for the pride of your county, you can do it; give us some actions, initiatives, not the excuses or talk of other counties and their problems. Come on now, focus: Kilkenny, Football, Solutions. The rest of the GAA world, or us at least, awaits your response to this challenge. 0 -
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There is zero interest among the sports going public. Fine there are club teams and county teams, how many people go to the matches?
Have you ever been in croke park when a football game precedes the hurling involving Kilkenny? There is no appetite for the game in Kilkenny.
I personally don't see a problem with this it seems to be only outsiders who see this as a huge problem yet they can't explain why.
Why is it so important to you that Kilkenny be competitive in Division 4?
The number of fans attending a match is not the issue. Would you pay to watch a match KNOWING your team were going to be hockeyed Every time?
You don't have a problem with it - OK
I don't like the fact the players who want to play football are not looked after properly by THEIR county board! They shoud be trained properly. They should have their footballing skills developed. The game that they play should be developed throughout schools - where there is already a willingness to play it. That should not be too hard for you to understand - you might not like it, but so what!0 -
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There is interest there and there are footballers there, as Kilkenny people in this thread have said.
We've seen Kilkenny people in this thread say how sad that is, like Bruschi said in post 240. Success would breed interest.
So come on you guys, play ball with us here, and stop talking about the problems and lack of interest that we know are in Kilkenny, and tell us what should be done to change that. Maybe you have no interest and don't want to change it... but humour us. So to those that have been giving us the excuses and debating with us about all of this: You are on the Kilkenny county board and have been given special responsibility to do something about the state of Football in the county, so what would you do? Come on now, as proud Kilkenny GAA people, for the pride of your county, you can do it; give us some actions, initiatives, not the excuses or talk of other counties and their problems. Come on now, focus: Kilkenny, Football, Solutions. The rest of the GAA world, or us at least, awaits your response to this challenge.
I'm not from Kilkenny.
I know a lot of people from there, and have played football with a lot of lads from there. They are not interested in playing county football. I know lads who have played in this years league already for them, and said they were training to get fit before their club hurling training kicked off. There are few players on the panel who are soley interested in playing football for the county, a lot are just along for the games and training.
No one seems to have actually answered if they know of this interest in football in Kilkenny. Because it seems to be hinging on the fact that just because there is a county of people, then there must be a lot of them interested in football?
I'd agree with Flukeys last paragraph and points before that tho, stimulation and input from the board to try promote the game would more than likely work, and there are players who are good and would make a difference but they are just not interested in it. Its these players they should be targetting, and getting in an outside manager, with a bit of profile would help.
But at the end of it all, why would the county board bother, when the clubs themselves and the players themselves arent bothered. There arent calls within the county for it to change. In other counties, there is people who are trying to drive on the 'other' GAA sport, and keep it going, but Kilkenny doesnt have that. If they were that bothered about it, there would be change, simple thing is, they arent.
And to be honest, it doesnt bother me a bit. Why do we need one more county to be 'competetive'. And even at that, they will still be at the lower ranks of it all. What difference to the overall championship will it make? I've said its a shame they dont put the effort in, they would be decent I reckon as I know they have good players. But its hardly a disgrace, or terrible or letting the GAA down that they dont play football and prefer to play club hurling.0 -
Seems to me that if Kilkenny were as abysmal at hurling as they are at football we wouldn't even be having this discussion. This thread has the misfortune to be afflicted by that most vile of Irish character traits, begrudgery. Funny how most of it seems to be coming from a Cork man. You should be grateful you were blessed with the divine grace of being born in a dual county and rest easy in the knowledge that although it will be in or around 10 years before you win another All Ireland in hurling, you always have a chance in the football, once you don't meet big bad Kerry.
I think you will find that no one, and that is including myself and the Cork posters are begrudging your hurling team anything, but rather willing your football team to be a little more then the team that gets a hiding every Sunday.
Take your paranoia to the conspiracy theories thread.
I also highlighted the last sentence as a matter of interest. You seem to be well up on the football for a man from Kilkenny, where apparently they have no interest whatsoever. 0 -
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