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Dublin Bus route 38 route - changed?
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Not for the first time was left waiting for 15 minutes for another driver this evening on a 39a with its engine running!
This also happens on the 37 and 38.
And yes I have emailed Dublin Bus and have had no success.
Drivers should complete the journey. Customers do not care about driver shifts as they just want to go home. Jokeshop.
One step forward with the new screens and two steps back with this nonsense.
it's not my fault that i'm such a great driver shoveller who cares about getting my fare paying passengers to their destination as quickly and as safely as possible
. the line your asking for to be drawn between buses being virtually on time to the minute and buses running late then going out of service is almost impossible.
over the last number of years we have seen alot of threads about buses running out of service / not showing up / running late to the odd moan like this one that we are now making to much time. there used to a particular inspector that held up alot of 123's outside easons because they were ahead of schedule. i'd be careful what you wish for shoveller because this is what alot of routes will be going to be enduring. you say you were waiting 15 mins for another driver to show up. let me give you an example of what lies ahead.
driver you'll 15 mins ahead of schedule when you arrive into town, please wait in blanchardstown shopping centre for 5 minutes, when you reach navan road parkway train station please wait 5 more minutes. when you reach navan road garda station have another 5 minutes. then if you get to bachelors walk early wait until your allocated time, and this is all during normal hours. by christ wait until the schools are off, builders on holidays, public holidays ( not bank as theres a full mon-fri service during public holidays). ohhhh jasus i cant bear the thoughts of lying around different areas because shoveller is getting in to town to early.
seeing whats ahead of me typing this scares the crap outta me thinking of all the abuse we'll be getting just waiting,waiting and guess what more waiting.0 -
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You want bus drivers to break the law and risk their licence by working through their break just so you can have a few extra minutes of comfort. Get into the real world, mate.
In order to maximise efficiency, Dublin Bus try to keep buses running in service for as long as possible without having drivers go back and forth Out Of Service to garages all the time. This involves driver changes. Obviously, something was amiss on your journey and maybe your driver wasn't told that the relief driver wasn't available.
It doesn't happen often, but when it does, I agree it is annoying. But crap happens.
Is it breaking the law to complete the journey they started? One thing for sure is that Dublin Bus have never been in the real world "mate".
Nobody minds if it is simply human error but this happens very frequently. In some cases the driver shuts off the engine and herds people off the bus on College Green. Relief driver? You would swear the original driver had driven through the Sahara.meanmachine3 wrote: »it's not my fault that i'm such a great driver shoveller who cares about getting my fare paying passengers to their destination as quickly and as safely as possible. the line your asking for to be drawn between buses being virtually on time to the minute and buses running late then going out of service is almost impossible.
over the last number of years we have seen alot of threads about buses running out of service / not showing up / running late to the odd moan like this one that we are now making to much time. there used to a particular inspector that held up alot of 123's outside easons because they were ahead of schedule. i'd be careful what you wish for shoveller because this is what alot of routes will be going to be enduring. you say you were waiting 15 mins for another driver to show up. let me give you an example of what lies ahead.
driver you'll 15 mins ahead of schedule when you arrive into town, please wait in blanchardstown shopping centre for 5 minutes, when you reach navan road parkway train station please wait 5 more minutes. when you reach navan road garda station have another 5 minutes. then if you get to bachelors walk early wait until your allocated time, and this is all during normal hours. by christ wait until the schools are off, builders on holidays, public holidays ( not bank as theres a full mon-fri service during public holidays). ohhhh jasus i cant bear the thoughts of lying around different areas because shoveller is getting in to town to early.
seeing whats ahead of me typing this scares the crap outta me thinking of all the abuse we'll be getting just waiting,waiting and guess what more waiting.
Claptrap. Either complete the journey or explain to the passengers where the "relief" driver is.0 -
meanmachine3 wrote: »it's not my fault that i'm such a great driver shoveller who cares about getting my fare paying passengers to their destination as quickly and as safely as possible. the line your asking for to be drawn between buses being virtually on time to the minute and buses running late then going out of service is almost impossible.
over the last number of years we have seen alot of threads about buses running out of service / not showing up / running late to the odd moan like this one that we are now making to much time. there used to a particular inspector that held up alot of 123's outside easons because they were ahead of schedule. i'd be careful what you wish for shoveller because this is what alot of routes will be going to be enduring. you say you were waiting 15 mins for another driver to show up. let me give you an example of what lies ahead.
driver you'll 15 mins ahead of schedule when you arrive into town, please wait in blanchardstown shopping centre for 5 minutes, when you reach navan road parkway train station please wait 5 more minutes. when you reach navan road garda station have another 5 minutes. then if you get to bachelors walk early wait until your allocated time, and this is all during normal hours. by christ wait until the schools are off, builders on holidays, public holidays ( not bank as theres a full mon-fri service during public holidays). ohhhh jasus i cant bear the thoughts of lying around different areas because shoveller is getting in to town to early.
seeing whats ahead of me typing this scares the crap outta me thinking of all the abuse we'll be getting just waiting,waiting and guess what more waiting.
As I have pointed out before, by driving like that you are not actually helping passengers. You are creating gaps in the service and causing people a long wait if there is a driver change due at a certain time along the route.
Far better to drive at a slower pace thereby maintaining even headways between buses along the route rather than driving like the clappers and forcing people to sit waiting for the driver change at College Street.Is it breaking the law to complete the journey they started? One thing for sure is that Dublin Bus have never been in the real world "mate".
Nobody minds if it is simply human error but this happens very frequently. In some cases the driver shuts off the engine and herds people off the bus on College Green. Relief driver? You would swear the original driver had driven through the Sahara.
Claptrap. Either complete the journey or explain to the passengers where the "relief" driver is.
What has clearly happened is that the first driver has arrived early at the driver change location (College Street). To be honest this is a tough one. When the original rosters came in buses were arriving late for driver changes due to the running time being too tight, and as a result buses were being curtailed to College Street rather than operating to Baggot Street.
Now with the new rosters you are having buses on occasion arriving early, either through drivers driving faster than normal and as such arriving early or there being very little traffic en route, or the running time being too generous.
The bus drivers are rostered to change there and that is why they do not complete the journey to Baggot Street. There are very specific laws regarding the working hours of drivers and hence they have to stick to the rosters.
Personally I am beginning to think more and more that proper working timetables for all of the routes is the only way to go, with full timings along the route and that bus drivers stick to those times. You would have to have locations where it was safe to wait, but this would show the times the bus is due at various points and then people would know what time the bus was due to arrive wherever they are going and plan accordingly by arrival time rather than departure time.
I realise that on school holidays and church holidays this would mean buses taking the same amount of time as on other days but it would give some certainty to the bus service rather than having people upset by this sort of thing.
I also realise that something like this cannot be implemented until the running time issues on all of the routes have been addressed and a reliable service can be delivered.0 -
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Personally I am beginning to think more and more that proper working timetables for all of the routes is the only way to go, with full timings along the route and that bus drivers stick to those times. You would have to have locations where it was safe to wait, but this would show the times the bus is due at various points and then people would know what time the bus was due to arrive wherever they are going and plan accordingly by arrival time rather than departure time.
I realise that on school holidays and church holidays this would mean buses taking the same amount of time as on other days but it would give some certainty to the bus service rather than having people upset by this sort of thing.
This would destroy the rare Carlsberg Bus - you know the one you get home usually around 8.30pm after rush-hour has ended, which manages to nail every traffic light perfectly and by some fluke of timing has no-one waiting for it at any stop, effectively turning it into a personal taxi for those who got on at the terminus.
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ArmaniJeanss wrote: »This would destroy the rare Carlsberg Bus - you know the one you get home usually around 8.30pm after rush-hour has ended, which manages to nail every traffic light perfectly and by some fluke of timing has no-one waiting for it at any stop, effectively turning it into a personal taxi for those who got on at the terminus.
Well at the end of the day people cannot have it both ways.
With AVLC time data it should be possible to implement such a regime in time which would produce realistic timetables. It would also impose discipline on drivers to drive to the timetable.0 -
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Lx there is a gentlemans agreement where by most of us tend to give about 10 mins either side. what i mean by this is if i get into town 10 mins early and my relief driver is there, i'll give 10 mins to the next driver i pick up from and thats the way it's supposed to work. but like any walk of life we also have selfish gits who only want to take and not give anything in return.we have a saying to those like that " you'll take the 10 mins but wont give it with a few others words added which are not for the kidsLegally they both have to take their full breaks.
You're suggesting the second driver should give up part of his break because the first driver has arrived early, something he cannot legally do.
. as i said it's only a gentlemans agreement it's not compulsory.
under no circumstances can we be told to speed up to make up lost time, but heres my point to your above quote Lx, i have on occasion got messages over the A.V.L. to slow down and to keep within 5 mins max of my time.I'm saying that the first driver should drive in such a manner to arrive on time at the changeover point rather than (as meanmachine suggests) drive as quickly as possible and cause everyone going beyond College Street to have a 15 minute wait (as the OP suggests).
sometimes it feels like a bus is literally crawling and thats because the driver is trying to get into town bang on their time.0 -
meanmachine3 wrote: »
Lx there is a gentlemans agreement where by most of us tend to give about 10 mins either side. what i mean by this is if i get into town 10 mins early and my relief driver is there, i'll give 10 mins to the next driver i pick up from and thats the way it's supposed to work. but like any walk of life we also have selfish gits who only want to take and not give anything in return.we have a saying to those like that " you'll take the 10 mins but wont give it with a few others words added which are not for the kidsLegally they both have to take their full breaks.
You're suggesting the second driver should give up part of his break because the first driver has arrived early, something he cannot legally do.. as i said it's only a gentlemans agreement it's not compulsory.
under no circumstances can we be told to speed up to make up lost time, but heres my point to your above quote Lx, i have on occasion got messages over the A.V.L. to slow down and to keep within 5 mins max of my time.I'm saying that the first driver should drive in such a manner to arrive on time at the changeover point rather than (as meanmachine suggests) drive as quickly as possible and cause everyone going beyond College Street to have a 15 minute wait (as the OP suggests).
sometimes it feels like a bus is literally crawling and thats because the driver is trying to get into town bang on their time.
I understand all of that but frankly the culture within DB needs to change to delivering a predictable reliable service rather than driving quickly to get to the terminus/handover point as fast as possible.
Customers want even headways between buses - thats what the clockface timetables are supposed to deliver - and a not to be sitting waiting for 15 minutes for a driver change.0 -
Customers want even headways between buses - thats what the clockface timetables are supposed to deliver - and a not to be sitting waiting for 15 minutes for a driver change.
I'd generally agree with your sentiments Lxflyer,with one observation....the needs of the customer in Public Transport terms often change as soon as they have boarded the bus.
For example I have regular passengers who never have the correct fare and can always be depended upon to stand blocking the drivers view into the Nearside mirror (deliberately),whilst going through the rooting and scratching for coins pahlavah.....this is done in a mean-spirited and calculated manner totally oblivious of the needs of any other passengers....HOWEVER...as soon as the little one-act play is over and the rooter has sat down,their demeanour alters totally as they begin to pontificate about how long they were waiting on a bus and how slow the service is etc etc....:o
I am consistently amazed at the numbers of such people and the sheer dedication they apply to maintaining this abberant behaviour.....
My point being,that once aboard the Bus,the vast majority of my passengers want me to get a bit of a move on...each passenger,once aboard is only concerned at how fast they will be brought to their destination.
I rather suspect that it will take a bit more than mere scheduling to address the elements I see at play on a daily basis. Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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