Renouncing Irish Citizenship

GizAGoOfYerGee

I was forced abroad to the UK in 2001, after the LC, for 4 years, then in Ireland for 3 years (the most miserable 3 years of my life), and then to Spain for 3 years, where I am now.

The government agencies I work for here in Spain sped up my application for Spanish citizenship a few months ago, as I have provided them with solid, constant work for the past 3 years.

I now hold a Spanish passport and have no reason to renew my Irish one (expired 2010).

I seriously want to denouce my Irish Citizenship.

I do not want my children to know that their father is from Ireland, and have to deal with all the negative conotations that go with it.

I know the process, but I'm asking for advice on this. Has anyone done this before, and are other Irish emmigrants doing this?

I want to go right ahead and do it, but my parents, siblings and friends are going nuts over my decision.

I hate what Ireland has become and I don't want to be part of it. I want out. I don't want to be Irish. Why is that bad?

seanybiker

Go do it then. Why would you ask the opinion of us Irish people?

Doc

To be honest I don't want you to be Irish ether.

suicide_circus

Piss off so, we dont want you.

pwd

what's the process?

seanybiker

Doc wrote: »

To be hoist I don't want you to be Irish ether.

jaysus don't be hoist

Sisko

yep , cause us evil irish have done horrible things to the world. unlike the spanish.

Pretty big step.. Go for it though, honestly. You have an EU passport so it affects nothing.

GizAGoOfYerGee

seanybiker wrote: »

Go do it then. Why would you ask the opinion of us Irish people?

I'm pretty certain I don't want to be Irish anymore, but family and friends are telling me not to do anything.

I know that several Irish people living in the US in 2010 have denounced Irish citizenship, which means they can live permantantly in the US if they have fulltime work.

Sound good to me.

Calling any emmigrants on Boards.ie that have denouced Irish citizenship?

Naikon

Can't say I am surprised. At this point, we would probably have been better off as part of the uk.

banquo

Is this an inquisition?

JohnDoeOh

Sounds like you've already begun the denouncing.

I think you may want to renounce your citizenship however.

GizAGoOfYerGee

JohnDoeOh wrote: »

Sounds like you've already begun the denouncing.

I think you may want to renounce your citizenship however.

Jaysus, you're right!

Renounce - Refuse to recognize or abide by any longer.
Denounce - Publicly declare to be wrong or evil.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renunciation_of_citizenship

JohnDoeOh

GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »

Jaysus, you're right!

Renounce - Refuse to recognize or abide by any longer.
Denounce - Publicly declare to be wrong or evil.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renunciation_of_citizenship

Fancy that. Good luck to you.

Esel

banquo wrote: »

Is this an inquisition?

I didn't expect that....

Dr. Baltar

No stew for you so.

Irish Slaves for Europe

GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »

I do not want my children to know that their father is from Ireland, and have to deal with all the negative conotations that go with it.

So where are you going to tell your children you are from? Are you going to make up a fake history about yourself? Are you not going to allow any of your family members to meet your children? Are you going to put on a fake accent when you have kids?

Minstrel27

GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »

I hate what Ireland has become and I don't want to be part of it. I want out. I don't want to be Irish. Why is that bad?

I couldn't care less what you want to be.

GizAGoOfYerGee

Irish Slaves for Europe wrote:

So where are you going to tell your children you are from?

Galicia.

Are you going to put on a fake accent when you have kids?

Three years here now with lady. My accent is perfect. Spaniards think I'm from Spain.

Are you not going to allow any of your family members to meet your children?

No, never. That has already been decided. My children will never visit Ireland. I don't want them to pick up British culture from me or Ireland. If they want to visit Ireland when they're 18, they can do so.

ctrl-alt-delete

Don't forget to change your boards username, it's a dead giveaway!

Irish Slaves for Europe

What about your name, are you going to change it?

GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »

No, never. That has already been decided. My children will never visit Ireland. I don't want them to pick up British culture from me or Ireland. If they want to visit Ireland when they're 18, they can do so.

Sure you may as well just keep them locked in your basement till their 18, you'll not have to worry then about them finding out about your dirty little secret that way.

GizAGoOfYerGee

Irish Slaves for Europe wrote: »

Sure you may as well just keep them locked in your basement till their 18, you'll not have to worry then about them finding out about your dirty little secret that way.

No need. The vast majority of people here think that Ireland is part of England. No joke.

hsi

GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »

I seriously want to denouce my Irish Citizenship.

I do not want my children to know that their father is from Ireland, and have to deal with all the negative conotations that go with it.

Man, your in the EU!... Makes no sense to renounce. Would be different if you were living in say US.

The Irish passport is very well received. As as far as I am aware there are no Negative Conotations with it.

The Hill Billy

GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »

I know that several Irish people living in the US in 2010 have denounced Irish citizenship, which means they can live permantantly in the US if they have fulltime work.

Sound good to me.

But there is a fundamental difference. Those in the US did it to secure jobs. You want to do it because you appear to hate Ireland & everything Irish (apart from crude usernames).

You should close your account here & go ask this question on boardsio.es.

Adios!

The Hill Billy

I forgot to ask - How do you say "Troll" in spanish?

alex73

You hate Ireland and what it has become... Hmmm. Well I also lived in Spain, Salamanca. Know it well, have a masters in Spanish and also fluent. Like the country.

But I am Irish, my parents were Irish, in fact at home on the graveyard there are 300 hundred years of my family.

I find your thread annoying at the least, offensive at the best.. You seem to claim spain is in someway better than Ireland... Well I could tell you some stories. No least the horror stories of they public health clinics. Ireland maybe in a bad state, but many many more Spaniads are in a worse state.

I would never renounce my birthright. I was born in Ireland, and I will always be Irish. Ireland is a great country (and less corrupt than some of the regional governments in Spain).

I think you need to get you facts straight. Maybe you are one of the lucky people in spain to have a well paid job. Because last I looked (and from what my friends say) unemployment in Spain is a lot higher than Ireland. Basically if you have no job you are a lot worse off in spain than in Ireland.

So Paddy get off your high horse.

GizAGoOfYerGee

Hill Billy wrote: »

I forgot to ask - How do you say "Troll" in spanish?

They say 'troll', same in universal internet lingo.

I am not a troll. I want to renounce my citizenship.

Rubbish my thread all you want. Now, who's the troll? :rolleyes:

magick

Your troll powers are weak old man!

The Hill Billy

Renounce your citizenship then. But why rub it in the faces of Irish posters? If you hate Ireland so much why seek the opinions or validation of its citizens? I hope that you will be more content as a subject of the Spanish monarchy.

hsi

GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »

Galicia.



Three years here now with lady. My accent is perfect. Spaniards think I'm from Spain.



No, never. That has already been decided. My children will never visit Ireland. I don't want them to pick up British culture from me or Ireland. If they want to visit Ireland when they're 18, they can do so.

Well good luck. When I worked in spain many many families would have loved to send their children to Ireland to learn English (if they could afford it)

Being Irish is very well received in Spain (far more that being british).

The Culture in Ireland is very much our own and not british. Good knows what type of family you come from as you have little understanding of what ireland really is.

And its a lot better in many respects than spain.

Solair

I don't know, nor will I ask, what happened to you in 2001 but, be careful that you are not blaming some traumatic experience on the entire country.

Ireland's going through the aftermath of a property bubble, so is Spain. I was living there recently and I would consider the situation on the ground in urban Spain to be as bad or worse. Unemployment is certainly way higher.

I'm not trying to diss Spain but, come on, it was a repressive dictatorship as recently as the 1970s and has a very dark past, civil war, various conflicts, ongoing tensions in the Basque Country and Navarra, recent involvement with US led wars, etc etc... nobody's perfect!

Incompetent Governments come and go, as do booms and busts.

Just think very carefully before chucking your citizenship. Also, think long and hard before disconnecting your kids from 50% of their heritage. People can react very badly to a fictional story about their past.

I've never noticed a bad attitude towards ireland in Spain, particularly up north! Tens of thousands of Spanish people live and have lived in Ireland too and have positive experiences of it.

I'm tempted to conclude that you're trolling but, I can't be sure.

Perhaps you might be better off talking to someone about what forced you to leave ireland than throwing your citizenship away?

Btw, your place of birth will always say Ireland, on your spanish documents too.

tallaghtmick

GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »

I was forced abroad to the UK in 2001, after the LC, for 4 years, then in Ireland for 3 years (the most miserable 3 years of my life), and then to Spain for 3 years, where I am now.

The government agencies I work for here in Spain sped up my application for Spanish citizenship a few months ago, as I have provided them with solid, constant work for the past 3 years.

I now hold a Spanish passport and have no reason to renew my Irish one (expired 2010).

I seriously want to denouce my Irish Citizenship.

I do not want my children to know that their father is from Ireland, and have to deal with all the negative conotations that go with it.

I know the process, but I'm asking for advice on this. Has anyone done this before, and are other Irish emmigrants doing this?

I want to go right ahead and do it, but my parents, siblings and friends are going nuts over my decision.

I hate what Ireland has become and I don't want to be part of it. I want out. I don't want to be Irish. Why is that bad?

i read 3 lines thats enough for me go fcuk yourself that is all.

The Hill Billy

GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »

My children will never visit Ireland.

On a positive note - at least we'll have a few less annoying exchange students to put up with.

smk89

Do you honestly think that your citizenship defines who you are?

johnmcdnl

what's so bad about ireland compared to spain

was their anything wrong with being irish until the IMF showed up - I didn't see half as many people claiming to hate being Irish until lately..

isn't spain also in a serious finanical crisis too, and I was watching some program that was showing how corrupt a lot of politican officials were in spain and some mayors are even doing hard time in jail now and all it was that bad...

unless your going with the negative connotations of irish being drunken paddys - well Spanish people are inhuman pricks who do kill bulls after hours of torturing them for entertainment..

what are the negative connotations associated with being irish I used think that everyone loved us being we were a generally happy people who never did anyone any real harm??

hsi

johnmcdnl wrote: »

what are the negative connotations associated with being irish I used think that everyone loved us being we were a generally happy people who never did anyone any real harm??

The guy who started the thread lives in cloud-cocu-land. Take it from me ho has more experience of spain that the poster (20 years experience). Being Irish is very well received in Spain. Any many other countries.

We are a neutral country and our passport opens a lot of doors.

Had to travel to Afica last year and some countries ask my British friends to pay a $100 visa charge, but Irish passport was free as we give aid to them.

I think the Guy never really understood Ireland in the 1st place and now in Spain as hyped up vision we are worse than spain... LOL./. He needs to open his eyes.

If Ireland were so bad.. why do thousands of spanards come to Ireland each year to learn English.

His facts are so off the way they should close this thread.

james098

I think OP you really want to rethink your decision your not only making a decision that will affect yourself but also as you said hurt your friends and family and also deny your kids there roots I am born a Scot my kids are Irish I am pround of this as I hope my children 1 day will be proud to be Irish...

Solair

So what happens when Spain's economic crisis requires EU-IMF intervention sometime in 2011. The 40 odd cajas / caxias (savings / loans banks) are as over exposed to property as Anglo or AIB, unemployment is 20% and rising, youth unemployment is close to 70% and exports are floundering.

Are you going to throw away your spanish passport and ID card as soon as that comes to a head and announce on boardas.es that you're sick of being Spanish too!!??

GizAGoOfYerGee

hsi wrote: »

Being Irish is very well received in Spain (far more that being british)

Eh, you have to be kidding me? Have you lived in Spain? The Spanish look down on the Irish more than any other EU State. In Spain, the Irish are seen as lazy, drunk, stupid people. (which we are) but the Spanish really push it.

"Being Irish is very well received" - it is certainly not!

The British are worshiped in Spain, hence 'El Corte Ingles' and the various gobsh!tes wearing Union Jacks on clothing.

I think you need to live in Spain in order to understand what I'm on about.

Solair

GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »

Eh, you have to be kidding me? Have you lived in Spain? The Spanish look down on the Irish more than any other EU State. In Spain, the Irish are seen as lazy, drunk, stupid people. (which we are) but the Spanish really push it.

"Being Irish is very well received" - it is certainly not!

The British are worshiped in Spain, hence 'El Corte Ingles' and the various gobsh!tes wearing Union Jacks on clothing.

I think you need to live in Spain in order to understand what I'm on about.

I have lived in Spain, in fact as recently as 4 weeks ago and I can honestly say that I have absolutely never encountered anything like the attitudes you are describing.

Are you sure you're not living on Gibraltar???

The Hill Billy

GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »

The Spanish look down on the Irish more than any other EU State. In Spain, the Irish are seen as lazy, drunk, stupid people.

Maybe they are looking down on just you?

Are you lazy & drunk? (We are clear on the last bit from previous posts.)

hsi

GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »

Eh, you have to be kidding me? Have you lived in Spain? The Spanish look down on the Irish more than any other EU State. In Spain, the Irish are seen as lazy, drunk, stupid people. (which we are) but the Spanish really push it.

"Being Irish is very well received" - it is certainly not!

The British are worshiped in Spain, hence 'El Corte Ingles' and the various gobsh!tes wearing Union Jacks on clothing.

I think you need to live in Spain in order to understand what I'm on about.

Si, Vivi y trabaje 20 anos en espana!. Joder tio no sabes nada de nuestra pais ni nuestra cultura. (el de irlanda)

So my experience, real experience of spain trumps yours. And over 20 years I have never ever had a bad experience of being Irish.

El Corte Ingles.. is not a british store, just the name, the food is spanish.

and the spanish do not look down on the Ireland, Each year I bring thousands to Ireland to learn English, because in Spain its seem that the english in Ireland is of a better international standard that elsewhere in europe.

What are your credentials? From what I can see you are what.. 3 years in Spain. I went in 1991. I opened my own Irish School of English in Salamanca.

I think you need to separate the Irish Costa del Sol tourist vision of some Irish who go on Holidays. Outside the Marbella/Torremolinos/costa del sol areas being Irish is very very well received.

And from a Man who travels between spain and Ireland, Ireland is in a far better state at the moment than Spain is. 14% unemployement v 20% in spain, a growing export economy. And unemployment here is falling (not rising like in spain).

Also if Ireland is so bad, why did 5000 spainards come to Dublin last year for work?

Tio, de verdad no sabes nada de nada de Irlanda. Vives en tu "utopia", no en la realidad.

wyndham

Can't you maintain dual nationality? Be both mick and spick? Could be handy in the future. For you or your offspring. You don't know what will happen with the European experiment.

MagicSean

Don't be silly. Trolls can't become citizens. They are mythical creatures.

hsi

wyndham wrote: »

Can't you maintain dual nationality? Be both mick and spick? Could be handy in the future. For you or your offspring. You don't know what will happen with the European experiment.

Yes, as an Irish Citizen you are allowed to have dual citizenship. But spain may not. An Irish Passport very good thing to have. Being a small neutral country has its advantages.

GizAGoOfYerGee

wyndham wrote: »

Can't you maintain dual nationality? Be both mick and spick?

I'm really sorry for not replying to you all. So many replies, I'll deal will all of them soon. Bear with me.

Jet Black

If your serious about this you'd get a better response on the leagal discussion forum and by contacting citizensinformation.ie.<br />
Posting that here in after hours is just looking for trouble and borderline trolling.

wyndham

Pity your children. Never to taste Hickory rashers, Superquinn sausages, Hunky Dorys, Brown Bread, etc. How can you renounce bacon and cabbage? I ask you! The humanity of it!

GizAGoOfYerGee

Jet Black wrote: »

Posting that here in after hours is just looking for trouble and borderline trolling.

I am not trolling. I want to renounce my citizenship and sever all ties with Ireland.

Mike 1972

OP by all means dont bother renewing your passport (If only to avoid dealing with the bunch of ignorant dickheads in the passport office) but why deny your offspring the choice that multiple nationality offers them ?

hsi wrote: »

Had to travel to Afica last year and some countries ask my british friends.

Given that you claim theyre youre friends the least you can do for them is to extend them the courtesy of referring to their nationality in the proper manner :mad:

WIZE

GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »

Eh, you have to be kidding me? Have you lived in Spain? The Spanish look down on the Irish more than any other EU State. In Spain, the Irish are seen as lazy, drunk, stupid people. (which we are) but the Spanish really push it.

i for one are happy your gone. i dont like people like you. i would prefer to people liking me for me and not where im from.

if you say the spanish think we are lazy and drunk which you agree with will your a dick.

im glad that your family are ashamed of you for doing this as they did there best to bring you up and you turn your back on them with their grand kids