SPOILERS: We're Alive Discussion

Kess73

The season 3 review is up on itunes now. Is 1 hour and 52 minutes long.

They should have just released that instead of the full season.


Started relistening to season 1 last week (must be the second or third time now) and I am still trying to figure out where the sprinting ability of the regular creatures went to.


A number of times in seasons 1, 2, and 3 we heard various characters get chased on foot by the creatures and get away. But in season 1 when Burt, Saul and Lizzie go on a supply run (just before they find Lady is still alive in Saul's house) we had two things shown to us.


One was that the creatures could set traps (using the car to trap a convoy), and the second was that the regular creatures could run at very high foot speeds. When Burt/Saul/Lizzie are escaping in their car they comment that they are doing 50 and the creatures are still with them. So that means the regular creatures could run at 50kmph or 50 mph (most likely kmph as we are talking America).


So how the heck could any regular human have outran them over any sort of distance? Pretty sure I mentioned this a season or two ago as well, but creatures that can run at 50kmph/50mph over short to medium distances are not going to be escaped on foot that often by normal humans.


To put the running speed of the creatures in to some kind of context. They can sprint at 50kmph (possibly faster), and the fastest speed reached by Usain Bolt when he broke the world record was just over 44kmph and he only maintained that speed for 1.6 seconds with his average speed on that record breaking sprint being around 38kmph.

So basically a peak Usain Bolt would not be able to match the creatures on foot, yet the survivors had many close encounters with them on foot and escaped.

mark.leonard

With no research to back me up, isn't that vaguely comparable to a prey animal escaping a cheetah? They tend to lose prey more often than they catch, maybe speeders can't burst for that long?

Kess73 wrote: »

The season 3 review is up on itunes now. Is 1 hour and 52 minutes long.

They should have just released that instead of the full season.


Started relistening to season 1 last week (must be the second or third time now) and I am still trying to figure out where the sprinting ability of the regular creatures went to.


A number of times in seasons 1, 2, and 3 we heard various characters get chased on foot by the creatures and get away. But in season 1 when Burt, Saul and Lizzie go on a supply run (just before they find Lady is still alive in Saul's house) we had two things shown to us.


One was that the creatures could set traps (using the car to trap a convoy), and the second was that the regular creatures could run at very high foot speeds. When Burt/Saul/Lizzie are escaping in their car they comment that they are doing 50 and the creatures are still with them. So that means the regular creatures could run at 50kmph or 50 mph (most likely kmph as we are talking America).


So how the heck could any regular human have outran them over any sort of distance? Pretty sure I mentioned this a season or two ago as well, but creatures that can run at 50kmph/50mph over short to medium distances are not going to be escaped on foot that often by normal humans.


To put the running speed of the creatures in to some kind of context. They can sprint at 50kmph (possibly faster), and the fastest speed reached by Usain Bolt when he broke the world record was just over 44kmph and he only maintained that speed for 1.6 seconds with his average speed on that record breaking sprint being around 38kmph.

So basically a peak Usain Bolt would not be able to match the creatures on foot, yet the survivors had many close encounters with them on foot and escaped.

Kess73

mark.leonard wrote: »

With no research to back me up, isn't that vaguely comparable to a prey animal escaping a cheetah? They tend to lose prey more often than they catch, maybe speeders can't burst for that long?

Well in season one they were able to keep up with a car doing 50 for a decent distance.


And in the season 3 recap I was reminded of the behemoth keeping pace with an escaping truck and it was showing no signs of slowing down until it got knock back that a close to point blank shot from a 50 cal.

Stamina does not seem to be a problem for the creatures, compared to regular humans anyway. Even think of the mutated one that was clung to the underside of the military helicopter, actually that happened twice. Takes fair strength and stamina to be able to do such a thing. And we also have the speed at which the mutated creature managed to travel on foot to Boulder.

The speed of the creature's seems to be superhuman when the survivors are in a car/jeep/truck, but when Michael & co are on foot it becomes a pretty equal footrace over short, medium or long distances. Just a little oddity in the series.


I also want to see the aquatic creatures return.

Kess73

4 days to go to new episode day.

Evd-Burner

I can't bloody wait, its been far to long

Kess73

3

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Almost

Kess73

Lock and load, folks.

Kess73

Anyone else listen to the new episode yet?

Kess73

Nobody here back for season 4?

touts

Kess73 wrote: »

Nobody here back for season 4?

That would be because Season 4 itself isn't really back. Yesterday's 20 minute episode was dull. Didn't set anything up for the rest of the season. Just tidy up from the big battle. Hell Michael and Bert even fell asleep in the middle of it.

Kess73

touts wrote: »

That would be because Season 4 itself isn't really back. Yesterday's 20 minute episode was dull. Didn't set anything up for the rest of the season. Just tidy up from the big battle. Hell Michael and Bert even fell asleep in the middle of it.

Thought it was a terrible first episode. As you said, it was dull, but it did nothing at all to make the next episode a must listen.

The "cliffhanger" was laughable as well.

Had hopes that this season would see an improvement on the frankly awful season three, but the first episode pretty much picked up where the dull season three left off.

Evd-Burner

I was extremely dissapointed with the first episode. I hope this isn't setting the tone for the entire season. I will get bored extremely fast if it is.

muff03

I thought it started ok with the hunting, but then it was catchup and recap time, which will most likely continue next week. I really hope this season is a return to form, so I think we'll know more after the first chapter.

I've felt that S3 works better listening to it in big chunks, it was pretty poor week to week for a little while and was hard to stay interested as a result. The only time I can remember leaving episodes build up for a time since I started listening. Hopefully that won't be the case this season.

Kess73

muff03 wrote: »

I thought it started ok with the hunting, but then it was catchup and recap time, which will most likely continue next week. I really hope this season is a return to form, so I think we'll know more after the first chapter.

I've felt that S3 works better listening to it in big chunks, it was pretty poor week to week for a little while and was hard to stay interested as a result. The only time I can remember leaving episodes build up for a time since I started listening. Hopefully that won't be the case this season.

Which makes you wonder why they even bothered with the 1 hour and 52 minute season three recap the week before if they are going to use the first few episodes of the new season to recap and catch up.

Totally agree about last season. The pacing of the episodes was awful, and unlike seasons one and two there was no sense of excitement generated in the individual short episodes as they came out.

Kess73

New episode day

touts

Kess73 wrote: »

New episode day

WooHooOOO! I've been on tenterhooks all week waiting to find out if anyone moved that pile of blood soaked bandages Michael was asked to tidy up just before he shocked us all and fell asleep. Tenterhooks I tell you. Tenterhooks.

Kess73

Still no sign of the new episode.

Kess73

New episode is now up

muff03

Well, what's the verdict?

Kess73

Actually managed to be duller than the first episode. Two thirds of the running time was just more talking about CJ's operation and Michael's discovering that Pegs just is not that into him anymore. Plus after building up to CJ's operation for the bulk of two episodes, the outcome of the operation just gets mentioned in throwaway line towards the end of the second episode.

Considering quite a few days at the very least are meant to have gone by in this episode alone (at one point Michael comments on how two more days have gone by between in episode events) very little actually happens and very little is caught up on from the season before.

And this week's "cliffhanger"? So Saul had not filled Michael in on what happened to Angel and we are to believe that a chance finding of the video camera used to record Scratch killing him was found just like that?

Oh and the bits about finding clothes and the "banter" about clothes sizes between the soldiers whose names, other than Puck, I cannot remember.... what a load of crap.


Normally a new season starts with a bit of a bang, but the first two episodes of this season match the dullest episodes of the very poor season three imo

touts

What I can't figure out is how relaxed everyone is. It is as if they won the war and months have passed since anything bad has happened. It's all fairly relaxed and casual. Yet three days before they had to fight a major battle with the maulers and then repulse a series of organised attacks by the zombies. And lets not forget that 3-4 days before they were at an Army base with seemingly hundreds of soldiers, tanks, helicopters and even nuclear weapons and that was wiped out with relative ease by . Yet they are sitting in the colony all happy happy.

I'm sticking with it because I want to see what happens to the characters that were so good and interesting in series 1 but it's pretty clear that the writers have lost all sense of what originally made this series interesting and the farce that was last season has completely ruined the whole show.

Kess73

Day episode new.

Kess73

Is on itunes now.

The episode is called "The power has shifted"

muff03

Anybody listen? Any good?

Kess73

Looks like the group will be splitting up into two or three factions yet again.

Vic and Saul being banished from the colony by CJ.

Riley and Burt going solo to go after Scratch.


Michael and the army guys possibly staying in the colony which is now under the command of CJ.


If it plays out like that , then it would be very difficult to swallow any storylines.

CJ being voted in as the new leader of the Colony is a bit laughable. The people in the Colony suddenly see her as the leader they want, yet if we think back to last season she, Saul, and Vic (with the help of Glen and the other guy) snuck into the Colony and it was thanks to Vic being known in the Colony that an uprising was organised. But now we are to believe that the Colony hold her in such high esteem that they want her, a woman whose existence they have only known of for a week or less, to be in charge of them.

And her first act as leader is to tell Vic and Saul that they are banished from the Colony because they lied to her over Sean/Shaun. Good way to weaken the colony by getting rid of proven fighters.

And Saul just rolling over and not arguing about being banished? Hmmm what about the fact he would not be able to see Lizzie? The woman who is carrying his child and who he risked everything to search for? Oh yeah and there is the matter of his mother being in the colony.

And Michael? Are we going to be expected to believe that CJ would banish Vic and Saul and then just goes talking to Michael with her we are not enemies but not friends speech and expect Michael and the soldiers to simply allow Vic and Saul to be kicked out?

Then we have Riley and one handed Burt. They now want to tell everyone else to eff off and go solo to hunt down Scratch, now that they know Angel was killed by Scratch.

Seems to me that all of the old group would be willing to join them on that, and no way will I believe that avenging one of their own is not something that all of them would not want to do.


Come on We're Alive. Make me happy and have all the old crew plus the new soldiers (along with all their weapons and their helicopter) leave and move into the other tower block (which is already fortified). Don't give a toss about the Colony.

I like Towers and the dynamic in seasons one and two worked.

And I just hope that Scratch and the Mallers ( am still wondering how they managed to escape in one piece given that they legged it when the outside area was full of the creatures being led by the Inked man) do not get to take over the other tower/apartment block.

Kess73

NEW EPISODE DAY

Kess73

Anyone else listen to the fourth episode in the new season yet?

touts

Kess73 wrote: »

Anyone else listen to the fourth episode in the new season yet?

Nothing happens. Absolutely nothing happens that was not discussed/decided in the last episode.