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How to Use A Roundabout
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the quote from the RSA supervisor covers that too by recommending that anything up to 1 o'clock should be considered straight ahead which would cover roads that have had a roundabout added where there is a slight curve in the original road at the site of the roundabout but the exit is still technically straight ahead.the biggest problem is the education, i was educated and passed my test on it beign the left lane and others were educated on the right one hence the trauma this has given to 4 forums now :eek:
the issue with this one as has been proven on other forums is the exit is bang on 12 oc but people are confused by the sign and the angle the road leaves at i'v been loling alot at some of the arguments but wont put forward one here as there is ongoing debate on a number of other places
and as has already been said numerous times, that is coming from someone who is responsible for supervising driving testers, so he should know.
the really funny thing is that even after 19 pages, people are still clicking on 'left' without checking the thread first. it was at 126 'left' last night and it's at 128 now. :rolleyes:0 -
and an hour later, it's 129 wrong.
there really is no hope for irish drivers.
look, when it comes down to it, there are only two ways to change the more or less 50/50 split on the proper use of roundabouts.
A: The half of Irish drivers who are currently doing it differently to the rest of the roundabout using world change their errant ways and start doing things legally and properly, in the way currently laid out by the RSA and all road users benefit as a result.
B: Everyone who is currently following the RSA system of using roundabouts in the same manner as everyone except the other 50% of Irish drivers should change to use the incremental numerical system and signs should be erected at all the ports, airports & hire car centres as well as the border to explain the 'alternative' system used in Ireland and nowhere else and more signs should be erected on the way out of the country to remind everyone to go back to using the regular system when abroad to avoid any accidents.
oh actually, or C: 50% of Irish drivers take Vertakill's stance and "fcuk everyone else" and refuse to acknowledge the RSA instructions and just continue to do things incorrectly and risk causing an accident because they were either taught wrongly, or refuse to accept that things may have changed since they took their test many years ago.0 -
vibe666: Still, you seem to think I don't understand the clock method and I'm getting bored replying each time to that. I understand it fine - that's not in question here.
If you look back at my posts in this thread, you'll find that I haven't said that one way is definitively correct/incorrect or one way was better or worse.
I've just said that I was taught by a driving instructor, specifically, to not use the clock method, passed my test where my route was packed with roundabouts and also how I think the RSA's instructional videos and diagrams are not good enough.oh actually, or C: 50% of Irish drivers take Vertakill's stance and "fcuk everyone else" and refuse to acknowledge the RSA instructions and just continue to do things incorrectly and risk causing an accident because they were either taught wrongly, or refuse to accept that things may have changed since they took their test many years ago.
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vibe666 actually realises that, whether the way I use is right or wrong, we would both be using the exact same lanes 90% of the time when approaching a roundabout and the two methods are actually almost identical for the majority of scenarios... therefore not really a 'fcuk everyone else' attitude at all..
And as I said already, twice I think now, the reason I use the right lane for the 3rd, 4th etc exit is because I was taught by professionals that it was safer. It's not some 'bravado' (your words) or attitude problem, despite what you'd like to think.
So stop trying to get personal and paint the image that I'm some lunatic that flies across roundabouts putting everyone at risk... because you're regularly deviating from debating your point, to just flat out trying to make personal insults.
You need to take a few deep breaths because if you can't talk about something rationally, don't talk at all.0 -
Almost 53% is the majority, therefore the majority of boardsie drivers (albeit a slim majority) believe that right is right and left is wrong.
Q.E.D - case closed, let's move along.
(left believers be quick and post your apologies now before thread is closed after coming to a (correct) conclusion.
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yes it is, because you keep asking why its better, despite having it explained many times. :rolleyes:vibe666: Still, you seem to think I don't understand the clock method and I'm getting bored replying each time to that. I understand it fine - that's not in question here.
i think claiming that you will continue to do it incorrectly because "that is the way you were taught" despite the fact it is wrong, is pretty definitive tbh.If you look back at my posts in this thread, you'll find that I haven't said that one way is definitively correct/incorrect or one way was better or worse.
most people were taught by a driving instructor, but it doesn't change the fact that 50% of you are wrong.I've just said that I was taught by a driving instructor, specifically, to not use the clock method, passed my test where my route was packed with roundabouts and also how I think the RSA's instructional videos and diagrams are not good enough.
yet we are having this discussion on a thread where you are wrong. :rolleyes:Or vibe666 actually realises that, whether the way I use is right or wrong, we would both be using the exact same lanes 90% of the time when approaching a roundabout and the two methods are actually almost identical for the majority of scenarios... therefore not really a 'fcuk everyone else' attitude at all..
i'd love to know where you get your statistics from, because in my experience quite a lot of roundabouts don't fit with your method and i am forever getting cut up by people who don't know the correct procedure. and there is only one correct procedure as has been clearly explained several times, both by myself, other posters AND the guy that supervises driving testers.
seems like a pretty conclusive 'fcuk everyone else' way of doing things to me, despite you repeatedly denying it.
yes, because it's obviously safer to use a method that was specifically removed from the ROTR and is not used anywhere else.And as I said already, twice I think now, the reason I use the right lane for the 3rd, 4th etc exit is because I was taught by professionals that it was safer. It's not some 'bravado' (your words) or attitude problem, despite what you'd like to think.
and you don't consider it to be some kind of misplaced bravado or an attitude problem to blindly keep following the instructions of someone who you now know has taught you something incorrectly based on the ROTR and the evidence provided by someone at the RSA who supervises driving testers? :rolleyes:0 -
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In Spain the law is that the inside lane should only be used for overtaking or if the outside lane is blocked. Would you care to back up your claims?simply because it is the way it has been taught to every other driver in every other country in Europe for decades and the way that everyone else knows how to do it. or do you think someone decided that it would be a lot better for the writers of irish roundabout law to just throw out the existing system everyone else was using altogether and purposely invent their own system which would contradict the existing system and cause foreigners driving in ireland and irish people driving in foreign countries (including the north where they would be using the UK system) to have accidents?
Unfortunately there is not always a sign. Even if there is, its not unusual to see it overgrown by trees, or be approaching behind a vehicle which occludes it. You still haven't explained why it would make sense to introduce a lane change in the middle of the roundabout if I'm entering from exit 1, taking exit 3, and have no lane change if I'm entering from exit 2 taking exit 4. I have the same number of exits to pass but I have to apply different logic each time.yes it does and it does it very simply if you'd been paying any attention at all. :rolleyes:
any roundabout small enough for you to see around will be very obvious and any roundabout of sufficient size that you can't will have a big 20 foot sign a good distance before it clearly marking each exit, where it leads to and it's position relative to YOUR position as you enter the roundabout making it a very very simple process for you to ensure you are in the correct lane in good time before you get to the roundabout.
If I was doing the rolleyes thing I'd say "Thanks for showing an illustration instructing the use of the right lane only if using the 3rd or later exits." Instead I'll say it's a good example of a poorly worded law accompanied by an ambiguous explanation from the relevant authority.copy/pasted directly from page 64 of the document i posted a link to that you referenced.
it also has this pretty little picture which clearly shows a slightly non-standard roundabout with the correct lane use for each exit which nicely illustrates my point.
Good point about being joined to the north. But it is not the standard system which has been in use everywhere else.yes, all of them simply (even if for nothing else) that it is the standard system used everywhere else that has been in use for decades and to use a different system in a country physically attached to the north of ireland (using the standard UK 12 o'clock system) and with a large immigrant population also using the standard system AND with a large emigrant irish population is lunacy.
I don't have a picture to hand, but the next time I see an instance I'll take a photo for you. Until then you'll just have to take my word for it that I've seen it several times in Ireland.show me somewhere it doesn't always happen because i can't think of anywhere and as someone who learnt to drive in the UK (where it's taught properly) and has driven many hundreds of thousands of miles in at least (to the best of my memory) 9 European countries plus two outside of Europe and has been using the correct method for negotiating roundabouts for the 17 years since I passed my driving test i'm pretty sure I would have noticed.
You seem to be misunderstanding my motives here. I have no investment in my credibility/reputation on this forum. No one here knows me personally. I'm simply trying to illustrate the inconsistencies and failings in the way the rules of the road are worded and explained, and explain why in my opinion the sequential system is better than the clock system.again trying to pick tiny holes in an argument that you have already lost long ago in the vain hope of trying to win back some kind of credability rather than just growing a pair and admitting that you are wrong.
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As I have already mentioned in Post# 261 the right hand lane is the correct lane for this particular junction, WHY? well looking at the picture again you will see that the 1st exit has two lanes (entering & exiting) which might in theory encourage 'some' drivers approaching in the right hand lane to take the 1st exit (while staying in the right hand lane), so for that reason I would approach the roundabout in the right hand lane to take the 2nd exit (so as to stay out of trouble), the thought of staying in the left hand lane and then passing the 1st exit (which has two lanes) seems rather crazy and increases the risk of collision, I would always stay in the RIGHT hand lane when taking the second exit (on this particular junction).
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To be honest I initially thought it was left, I am a learner driver and that's the way I have been shown, however, after reading every post in this thread I would agree that right is right!!
Maybe we should have a new poll to see how many have changed their minds
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I'm not sure that we are talking about bumper to bumper rush hour traffic here, just the normal flow as shown in the picture (I presume).
That's fine for Wales, but for Irish road users...
It's a purely hypothetical question tbh, but in rush hour traffic, with equal dispersion across exits. the 12 O'clock right lane approach would appear to put 75% of the traffic in the right and 25% in the left - seems unpractical, no?0 -
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I am not familiar with UK roundabout rules.
But imagine Welsh, Irish or Dutch motorists and cyclists navigating the first example below (in the Netherlands) versus the same people trying to cope with the second (Galway's own Circus of Horrors).
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