3 New Navy Vessels for Irish Naval Service

sparky42

roadmaster wrote: »

No need to be sarcastic , but you expect more than two ships to be at seat

By Monday from memory there was only 3 in the Basin and sinc the Beckett has been pencilled in as a possible replacement for Niamh, I can understand why she's in for a while. Particularly when you look at the work they did in evaluating the carrying capacity of th Niamh.

roadmaster

sparky42 wrote: »

By Monday from memory there was only 3 in the Basin and sinc the Beckett has been pencilled in as a possible replacement for Niamh, I can understand why she's in for a while. Particularly when you look at the work they did in evaluating the carrying capacity of th Niamh.

An that's a fair answer, as I said I have no naval background so don't know the valid reasons for them being in as you would , but on thur/fri from a public point of view it looked bad the 5 ships in and reinforced a negative view as seen with the people singing the Dubliners song

sparky42

roadmaster wrote: »

An that's a fair answer, as I said I have no naval background so don't know the valid reasons for them being in as you would , but on thur/fri from a public point of view it looked bad the 5 ships in and reinforced a negative view as seen with the people singing the Dubliners song

People are going to think what they want, JJ is still on restricted duty I'd bet working up from being handed over, as I said Beckett might be getting checked in case of needing to go out to replace Niamh, Eithne was in for a while but I took that for having to deal with the aftermath (both ship and crew) of the deployment.

Boreas

sparky42 wrote: »

As for the Mistral's I still wonder whose actually going to buy the Mistral's, if NATO was smart they'd buy them and run them like the joint programs like the C 17's.

I like to see the EU buy them and use them as the basis of a joint humanitarian reaction force. Staffed by naval personnel, medical specialists etc from across the Union.

But then again I'd like to see a unified EU military, so I might be in the minority

Brian Clowen

roadmaster wrote: »

No need to be sarcastic , but you expect more than two ships to be at seat

It's not that often it happens but sometimes the differnet schedules overlap.

Come down another weekend and wonder why only one vessel is alongside the oil wharf.

The Irish Naval Sevice vessels still do more hull at sea days than any other European navy.

And it is as they have shown in the med unique in its small boat operational level of skills.

The Naval Service can in certain areas punch well above it weight.

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Ren2k7

A new Multi-Role Vessel with a flight deck to replace the Eithne and two other Coastal Patrol Vessels to replace the Peacocks. And that's it as far as naval assets are concerned. :rolleyes:

Ren2k7

Boreas wrote: »

I like to see the EU buy them and use them as the basis of a joint humanitarian reaction force. Staffed by naval personnel, medical specialists etc from across the Union.

But then again I'd like to see a unified EU military, so I might be in the minority

The Brits would freak out at the idea of an independent EU naval force, especially one with two amphibious assault carriers. It'll probably happen in time.....after the Brits have left the EU.

sparky42

Ren2k7 wrote: »

A new Multi-Role Vessel with a flight deck to replace the Eithne and two other Coastal Patrol Vessels to replace the Peacocks. And that's it as far as naval assets are concerned. :rolleyes:

Not sure what they are talking about in regards to the CPV's, minesweepers? The UK is currently looking at new MHC's in the next 5 years or so, don't know if anyone else in Europe is doing replacement work for the area.

Yawlboy

Here is a link to the actual white paper http://www.defence.ie/WebSite.nsf/WP2015E

Tabnabs

http://www.asmar.cl/tour-virtual/opv-83-marinero-fuentealba/index.html a great presentation of an interesting large OPV.

Offshore Patrol Vessel


Length 80.60 m
Breadth 13.00 m
Depth to deck 1 6.50 m
Loaded Displacement 1'728 t
Speed 20 knots
Endurance 30 days
Range 8'000 nautical miles
Crew 34 persons
Passengers 20 persons
Main Power 4.08 MW

Built in South America, but to a German design, perhaps we could get a line of cheap credit from a German bank to build one within the EU...

Yawlboy

only 80m and 34 crew - would be too small to replace our flagship.

Ren2k7

Tabnabs wrote: »

http://www.asmar.cl/tour-virtual/opv-83-marinero-fuentealba/index.html a great presentation of an interesting large OPV.



Built in South America, but to a German design, perhaps we could get a line of cheap credit from a German bank to build one within the EU...

That vessel looks to be on the smaller side. The new Multi-Role Vessel will likely (hopefully?) be more of a frigate type vessel given the new requirements of the NS in overseas contingencies operations.

Tabnabs

Yawlboy wrote: »

only 80m and 34 crew - would be too small to replace our flagship.

She has 90m and 98m big sisters, but this size has been launched already.

http://www.fassmer.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Downloads/Company/News/FAS-PP-0026_OPV_2020_Ansichts.pdf

sparky42

Tabnabs wrote: »

She has 90m and 98m big sisters, but this size has been launched already.

The MRV would hopefully be something Absalon sized or something in that ballpark. These designs are good OPV's but they aren't designed for carrying cargo/troops like the suggested MRV.

Yawlboy

Tabnabs wrote: »

She has 90m and 98m big sisters, but this size has been launched already.

http://www.fassmer.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Downloads/Company/News/FAS-PP-0026_OPV_2020_Ansichts.pdf

That OPV2020 is a fantastic looking design. She would be noticed.

P71 LE Brendan Behan has a nice ring to it ;-)

sparky42

Yawlboy wrote: »

That OPV2020 is a fantastic looking design. She would be noticed.

P71 LE Brendan Behan has a nice ring to it ;-)

Think the Navy aren't fans of the Stern mounted Rib system for Atlantic operations though.

Morpheus

is that a tumblehome hull? very Zumwalt looking shape at the bow.

Tabnabs

Yawlboy wrote: »

That OPV2020 is a fantastic looking design. She would be noticed.

P71 LE Brendan Behan has a nice ring to it ;-)

Nice video of the concept here with compulsory cheesy music.

http://www.fassmer.de/download/videos/opv-2020/

Tabnabs

I think we should have a whipround and get a Boardsie to attend

http://www.offshorepatrolvessels.com/?MAC=INF_GPPC_11313.009&gclid=Cj0KEQjw6vquBRCow62uo-_J_YYBEiQAMO6Him_JsgaipK9-rDUZj66nOD8IJ5LB69iAh2pzNjGOvd8aAhOf8P8HAQ

Brian Clowen

Thats a nice boat.

The moduclar units woudl accoate the army.

It has both stern and midship RHIBS launch capacity.

I wonder what the crew accommodation would be like, the Irish vessel have a very high standard compared to other naval assets as they spend so much time at sea.

A bit of space and comfort goes a long way when they are stuck there for two years

Larbre34

Brian Clowen wrote: »

A bit of space and comfort goes a long way when they are stuck there for two years

Two years? Even an SSBN doesn't have enough food for a two year deployment

Brian Clowen

Larbre34 wrote: »

Two years? Even an SSBN doesn't have enough food for a two year deployment

True but what I am talking about is a person been posted to a vessel for their two year rotation.

In that two years they will do on average 225-250 days a year on sailing order.

You need a bit of comfort if your going to drive a guy like that.

Remember a UN mission tour is only 170 odd days if even that, sailors do more time away in two years than a solider might do in five.

aindriu80

Yawlboy wrote: »

That OPV2020 is a fantastic looking design. She would be noticed.

I don't rate the design at all, but I guess its a personal choice.

Are they looking at 2 coastal P.V's ? Some of the above were a bit on the small side for our needs.

sparky42

aindriu80 wrote: »

I don't rate the design at all, but I guess its a personal choice.

Are they looking at 2 coastal P.V's ? Some of the above were a bit on the small side for our needs.

From memory the WP wants them to be the same tonnage as the Peacocks...

Larbre34

The James Joyce is berthed at the Carlisle Pier in Dun Laoghaire this morning, are we expecting a commissioning this week?

Edit: IMO posting says commissioning to take place tomorrow in DL, they must be doing drills and sprucing her up today

roundymac

Tomorrow, in the afternoon AFAIK. Enda will be there.:D

Larbre34

roundymac wrote: »

Tomorrow, in the afternoon AFAIK. Enda will be there.:D

http://dlharbour.ie/dun-laoghaire-harbour-to-host-le-james-joyce-commissioning/

14.30hrs for anyone interested. A CASA is making low passes around DL this afternoon so must be involved in the ceremony. Hopefully the weather will play ball better than today!

Larbre34

A couple of shots at lunchtime, waiting for Enda! The sun came out soon after, no doubt the DF will have plenty of footage

Tabnabs

I was lucky enough to be invited to the event yesterday. The naval service put on a good show and even the weather played ball. Only a brief tour of the ship after the formalities were over, but I hope to get a good look around in the near future. I'd say the crew will be happy to clear out of DL and get back to the day job instead of having to be under the eye of so many politicians and media.