Gerry Adams? Are things that bad?

garrincha62

During the last elections in 2007, Gerry Adams went on Prime Time and was embarrassed as regards economic policy. It cost Sinn Fein at least 2 seats in the elections, not least Mary Lou. Correct me if I am wrong but the policies for economic recovery that SF have championed just don't seem realistic to me. I am not FF\FG. I am just worried that people are going to vote for him for the wrong reasons. Ireland needs people who know what they are talking about and I think Shanks Godfrey has a firmer grasp of economics (slippery though that might be) than Adams. Why would anyone vote for him?

10green bottles

True but will people just be electing candidates on their fiscal knowledge ??

10green bottles

garrincha62 wrote: »

During the last elections in 2007, Gerry Adams went on Prime Time and was embarrassed as regards economic policy. It cost Sinn Fein at least 2 seats in the elections?

During the last elections all kind off promises were made,none more so from the two partys that were elected.FF and The Green party!! The same policies were reflected in FG manifesto.The difference in policy between the was minimal.Where and what is the diffrence between the two now ??

jimmycrackcorm

IF Sinn Fein and Gerry Adams were so solid then wouldn't it make sense to have him go for election in a constituency without such a safe seat as Louth?

garrincha62

@10 green bottles I agree, all sorts of promises were made. But the policies that were pandered at the time made more sense then the mess GA made of SF policies. I'm sure after that appearance that SF policy makers were bulling. The Greens and FF made promises sure, but they could at least explain the policies in a coherent and comprehensible manner, bull****e though they were. Whether you agreed with these polices was up to you.

garrincha62

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

IF Sinn Fein and Gerry Adams were so solid then wouldn't it make sense to have him go for election in a constituency without such a safe seat as Louth?

Oh for sure, I agree. From a party politics angle it makes complete sense. For SF it makes complete sense. But that isn't the point. GA career so far hasn't shown an understanding of economics, which is what this country needs right now. Unless GA has taken stock and grasped the fundamentals of economics then I just don't think SF are doing themselves any favours putting him forward. Sure, he'll get elected. But you have to ask yourself what Ireland needs at the moment and I just don't think that GA is the answer. I think the seat could be filled by someone who has an educated grasp of the situation. For all GA talents, I just don't see economics as one of them. And that is what we need right now.

10green bottles

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

IF Sinn Fein and Gerry Adams were so solid then wouldn't it make sense to have him go for election in a constituency without such a safe seat as Louth?

Nobody in SF believes that this seat is a shoo in and we will be working hard to make sure that we dont get complacent.
Will Peter Fitzpatrick stand in a constituency outside of Louth/East Meath ???

freddiek

Please tell me Fitzpatrick is not standing. The Louth GAA or any other manager should stay the fcuk out of politics

Have heard him interviewed and he's not the most coherent fella either

10green bottles

garrincha62 wrote: »

Oh for sure, I agree. From a party politics angle it makes complete sense. For SF it makes complete sense. But that isn't the point. GA career so far hasn't shown an understanding of economics, which is what this country needs right now. Unless GA has taken stock and grasped the fundamentals of economics then I just don't think SF are doing themselves any favours putting him forward. Sure, he'll get elected. But you have to ask yourself what Ireland needs at the moment and I just don't think that GA is the answer. I think the seat could be filled by someone who has an educated grasp of the situation. For all GA talents, I just don't see economics as one of them. And that is what we need right now.

You see,i see all this and its nothing but a WIND UP,i dont see who you are pushing forward because all your post does is slate GA and i can do that for any named politician .
Who are you proposing??

garrincha62

I think the idea of Fitzer standing is a disgrace. I think what the man has done for Louth is amazing. But for heavens sake, we need people who are educated in the areas that are important for the future of the country. Nice guy as he is, the guys I'll be voting for are the ones that have competence and expertise in legislation and economics. That narrows the field I know, but what have you!?

garrincha62

@10green bottles I see your point. There is a dearth of candidates who you could rely on to legislate responsibly. I would put forward Gerald Nash. He knows what he is talking about and has the qualifications to back it up. He is one. But more are needed. Look at Thomas Byrne sweeping the last election in Meath...

10green bottles

freddiek wrote: »

Please tell me Fitzpatrick is not standing. The Louth GAA or any other manager should stay the fcuk out of politics

Have heard him interviewed and he's not the most coherent fella either

Peter is on/off off/on,defo not going for it/maybe i will/wont,its pretty indicative of the man if you ask me :mad:

freddiek

Breathnach (FF) was on the canvass in Dundalk today. Is he favoured to take a seat for FF over the Carroll fella from south Louth ??

10green bottles

garrincha62 wrote: »

@10green bottles I see your point. There is a dearth of candidates who you could rely on to legislate responsibly. I would put forward Gerald Nash. He knows what he is talking about and has the qualifications to back it up. He is one. But more are needed. Look at Thomas Byrne sweeping the last election in Meath...

Mr Nash may Focus his eyes on North Louth fair quick because i will tell you he is not known and nor is his name known in the area.

10green bottles

freddiek wrote: »

Breathnach (FF) was on the canvass in Dundalk today. Is he favoured to take a seat for FF over the Carroll fella from south Louth ??

LOL
good one

northernpower

I think people need to start looking at the bigger picture when it comes to this issue.

Yes it is widely accepted that Gerry Adams damaged SF election last time out with his performance on the leaders questions, but without giving someone a stick to beat my argument with, he doesn't live in the state or deal on a day to day basis with the intricacies of the Irish economy. He would no doubt have a better comprehension on the economy in the north. Would Jackie Healy Ray have managed better, the argument here is that even a lot politicians from the state have little knowledge of the various aspects of the Irish economy.

Secondly, remember it is a party that is being voted for, GA doesn't decide SF policy on his own, i'm sure that after a number of years in the financial sector Caoimhin O Caolain has a better grasp of what is needed than GA so someone like him, together with people employed by the party to help develop strategy along the lines of the party's ideals, would develop economic policy.

And lastly remember GA is known around the world, his name no longer has the same connotations attached to it as it once did, he is regarded as a statesman and a peacemaker.

It is up to the people of Louth to decide whether they would like GA to represent them in the Dail, but from experience SF as a party are one of the hardest working parties for their constituents, even in areas where they are not officially represented.

10green bottles

freddiek wrote: »

Breathnach (FF) was on the canvass in Dundalk today. Is he favoured to take a seat for FF over the Carroll fella from south Louth ??

FF stand to be wiped out in County Louth. On 6 opinion polls that i have seen they stand (in the county) @ 5/6 % .

garrincha62

10green bottles wrote: »

Mr Nash may Focus his eyes on North Louth fair quick because i will tell you he is not known and nor is his name known in the area.

Mr. Nash has focused 'his eyes' on North Louth in recent years. There was a traditional Labour vote in Dundalk prior to Mickey Bell taking the piss. I think Mr. Nash can and will recapture a substantial number of disillusioned voters in Dundalk. What do you think?

freddiek

10green bottles wrote: »

FF stand to be wiped out in County Louth. On 6 opinion polls that i have seen they stand (in the county) @ 5/6 % .

surely if that's the case, Adams will walk it then and probably top the poll

10green bottles

garrincha62 wrote: »

Mr. Nash has focused 'his eyes' on North Louth in recent years. There was a traditional Labour vote in Dundalk prior to Mickey Bell taking the piss. I think Mr. Nash can and will recapture a substantial number of disillusioned voters in Dundalk. What do you think?

The vote for Labour is there certainly,two months(or maybe less) to tap it.
I can see the goverment coming down this week and the election happening in Feb.

garrincha62

northernpower wrote: »

I think people need to start looking at the bigger picture when it comes to this issue.

Yes it is widely accepted that Gerry Adams damaged SF election last time out with his performance on the leaders questions, but without giving someone a stick to beat my argument with, he doesn't live in the state or deal on a day to day basis with the intricacies of the Irish economy. He would no doubt have a better comprehension on the economy in the north. Would Jackie Healy Ray have managed better, the argument here is that even a lot politicians from the state have little knowledge of the various aspects of the Irish economy.

Secondly, remember it is a party that is being voted for, GA doesn't decide SF policy on his own, i'm sure that after a number of years in the financial sector Caoimhin O Caolain has a better grasp of what is needed than GA so someone like him, together with people employed by the party to help develop strategy along the lines of the party's ideals, would develop economic policy.

And lastly remember GA is known around the world, his name no longer has the same connotations attached to it as it once did, he is regarded as a statesman and a peacemaker.

It is up to the people of Louth to decide whether they would like GA to represent them in the Dail, but from experience SF as a party are one of the hardest working parties for their constituents, even in areas where they are not officially represented.

I think your first point is moot. If GA wasn't up to scratch on domestic policy why put him up for debate? He should have been polished on the intricacies of Irish economics before he represented SF, and if he wasn't, someone else should have been.

Secondly, if GA is representing SF then he should be coherent in his statements and beliefs. If not send someone else who is forward.

SF are one of the most active parties for sending out fliers and interacting with the public. Unless they present workable policies it means nothing. Which so far they have not. My worry would be that if they do get elected, in this economic environment then they won't be able to produce.

10green bottles

freddiek wrote: »

surely if that's the case, Adams will walk it then and probably top the poll

FF votes will more than likely go to FG/LABOUR.
SF dont expect GA to top the poll,over the line on count 5 will do GMA.:)

10green bottles

garrincha62 wrote: »

I think your first point is moot. If GA wasn't up to scratch on domestic policy why put him up for debate? He should have been polished on the intricacies of Irish economics before he represented SF, and if he wasn't, someone else should have been.

Secondly, if GA is representing SF then he should be coherent in his statements and beliefs. If not send someone else who is forward.

SF are one of the most active parties for sending out fliers and interacting with the public. Unless they present workable policies it means nothing. Which so far they have not. My worry would be that if they do get elected, in this economic environment then they won't be able to produce.

Another wum on SF and GA. Attacking from a blind position is easy FFS.Push your partys policies and argue from that angle.

amacachi

10green bottles wrote: »

Nobody in SF believes that this seat is a shoo in and we will be working hard to make sure that we dont get complacent.
Will Peter Fitzpatrick stand in a constituency outside of Louth/East Meath ???

Well then you're wasting time that could be spent elsewhere, Adams will walk in. I'm going to say he'll get in on the first count and the rest of the vote will be be very fractured depending on how many candidates FG and Lab put up.

freddiek wrote: »

surely if that's the case, Adams will walk it then and probably top the poll

He definitely will. It's not complacent to state this, it's common sense.

Wolfe Tone

Gerry should walk in. I think he will be an excellent TD with the national agenda on his mind. A true Irishman. Cant wait to see him in the Dáil, with SF as the main opposition.




Ged Nash is probably too busy off canvasing for the British labour party in England to pop up to Dundalk.

SDTimeout

Ignorance is bliss.

Adams will get in, history has shown that idiots are often led by a desired or unattainable goal.

What every other person has to hope, is that they ALL come out and vote for Adams in force. Had SF done this right they could have ran two candidates and got both of them in. Now it's just eggs in one basket on Adams. Meaning their votes are only going to one blip of badness in the dail as opposed to two.

What separates FG and FF are the people who vote FG, the socioeconomic group, the art lovers, the red wine drinkers. It's those people that push behind a party that gives a certain party such a good reputation, and in turn other's such a bad one. I don't seem to hear Tomás Sharkey crying out of him anymore about how the government lost half of the national reserve in diamond minds, why is this ?

It's also why most people in Louth would give their right arm to prevent Adams getting into the dáil.

amacachi

SDTimeout wrote: »

It's also why most people in Louth would give their right arm to prevent Adams getting into the dáil.

Judging from conversations had and heard there'll be quite a few first-time voters going for Adams, and I don't mean people entitled to vote for the first time. He's in without a doubt.

amacachi

BTW Wolfe Tone (Mussolini?) that wasn't a compliment towards those people. :pac:

Wolfe Tone

I know, I thanked it because it is true. Many people who have never voted plan to do so, and for Adams.

amacachi

If it was Britain they wouldn't be allowed to vote yet. :pac:

garrincha62

10green bottles wrote: »

Another wum on SF and GA. Attacking from a blind position is easy FFS.Push your partys policies and argue from that angle.

Good lad, if you can't debate then just insult.

indiewindy

http://www.thejournal.ie/daughter-of-ira-disappeared-may-run-against-gerry-adams-2011-01/
The Sunday Independent reports that Helen McKendry, the eldest daughter of Jean McConville, is interested in running in the Louth constituency, where Adams is to be a candidate, as a protest to stop Adams from being elected.

McKendry’s husband Seamus told the paper that it was “quite cynical to think he [Adams] is running in the same constituency where they buried Jean.”

amacachi

She'd never get elected but I hope she goes for it.

macadam

Adams might not get it as easy as he thinks, a lot of Morgans supporters are not happy with him being brushed aside and I do not believe a word that he is going back to the family business, what if adams does'nt get elected, now that would be some talking point.
Any way if he is so high profile why did he take a dead cert seat for the shinners off Morgan/Sharkey, and not try and win another seat else where.

Wolfe Tone

macadam wrote: »

Adams might not get it as easy as he thinks, a lot of Morgans supporters are not happy with him being brushed aside and I do not believe a word that he is going back to the family business, what if adams does'nt get elected, now that would be some talking point.
Any way if he is so high profile why did he take a dead cert seat for the shinners off Morgan/Sharkey, and not try and win another seat else where.

What are you about? Morgan told everyone a few years ago he was going to step down, they have been conducting meetings together where Morgan has been vouching for Gerry. Its quite the complement that SF thought the only man to replace him was the president.

Marcusm

Has he even managed to get on the electoral roll yet?

I think his press conference today indicated his strong commitment to his residence in Louth. Was it in Dundalk or Drogheda? No, it was in Belfast. Does he not even have the ability to drive south for an hour or so?

I have no time for his politics which are borne of discredited idealogy but especially for his contempt for our little Free State. Sinn Fein should be capable of selecting from its party membership in this country.

Apologies, I'm not from Louth and if anyone feels my views are irrelevant, I suspect I've spent as much time there (9 months when I was a teenager) as GA.

Wolfe Tone

Marcusm wrote: »

Has he even managed to get on the electoral roll yet?

I think his press conference today indicated his strong commitment to his residence in Louth. Was it in Dundalk or Drogheda? No, it was in Belfast. Does he not even have the ability to drive south for an hour or so?

I have no time for his politics which are borne of discredited idealogy but especially for his contempt for our little Free State. Sinn Fein should be capable of selecting from its party membership in this country.

Apologies, I'm not from Louth and if anyone feels my views are irrelevant, I suspect I've spent as much time there (9 months when I was a teenager) as GA.

I have seen Gerry in Drogheda tons of times, he has strong connections with the area, he is in Dundalk even more, opened an office the other day I think too.

MightyMighty737

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

he has strong connections with the area,

What are they?

marienbad

indiewindy wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/daughter-of-ira-disappeared-may-run-against-gerry-adams-2011-01/
The Sunday Independent reports that Helen McKendry, the eldest daughter of Jean McConville, is interested in running in the Louth constituency, where Adams is to be a candidate, as a protest to stop Adams from being elected.

McKendry’s husband Seamus told the paper that it was “quite cynical to think he [Adams] is running in the same constituency where they buried Jean.”

And Martin Ferris in Gerry Mccabe country

kyosushi

A united Ireland fully independent of the United Kingdom is all that Sinn Fein want . If you are just a sheep follower of that thinking you will no doubt vote in Gerry Adams into louth like they have done in Roscommon with a gob****e like Ming the turfer ,

We the Irish People will vote into power an educated government by an educated people for our own good and not a Gerry Adams movement to move South .

Dunny

garrincha62 wrote: »

Good lad, if you can't debate then just insult.

So you condescend?

garrincha62

Dunny! wrote: »

So you condescend?

Well done sticking up for your friend. I suggest sticking to the original post. Do you think that Jean McConville's Daughter running will take votes away from GA?

Fair play to her for running I say, people forget all to easily. And she probably has as good a grasp on economics as GA. Joking aside, this is a time for candidates with a grasp of the economic issues. It seems all sorts of independents are going to run.

10green bottles

News today that Peter Fitzpatrick is definitely running for FG in Louth/East meath.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I have seen Gerry in Drogheda tons of times, he has strong connections with the area, he is in Dundalk even more...

Care to be more specific? Adams, and likewise others in the past from other parties, who is not from the constituancy will not get my vote. I can't abide candidates being parachuted into Louth with no grounding in the place. SF had a rep in the county, and have plenty of others in local government, so why drop Gerry Adams in for the seat?

wee truck big driver

wasnt sure whether to vote for gerry or not but am definetly going to if for no other reason than to p1ss off the people who want a person educated in ecconomy to lead us back to where we where during the celtic tiger. a nation of a greedy bunch of aggrogant pr1cks you would have thought people would have learned there lesson

wee truck big driver

as for helen mc hendry running she is sure to galvanise the sinn fein vote and bound to take votes from the people who or running against them

Bottle_of_Smoke

garrincha62 wrote: »

Well done sticking up for your friend. I suggest sticking to the original post. Do you think that Jean McConville's Daughter running will take votes away from GA?

She'll split the vote of people who would never vote for Gerry most likely. However her getting any publicity will damage Sinn Fein's nationwide bid

garrincha62

wee truck big driver wrote: »

wasnt sure whether to vote for gerry or not but am definetly going to if for no other reason than to p1ss off the people who want a person educated in ecconomy to lead us back to where we where during the celtic tiger. a nation of a greedy bunch of aggrogant pr1cks you would have thought people would have learned there lesson

Hmm, that seems like a silly thing to do. It seems the country is in an economic mess. Wanting someone who possesses the requisite skills to manage a responsible economy seems like a rational thing to want. Why would anyone want to go back to the Celtic Tiger greed?

Being skilled in an area is no bad thing. I think you are confusing people who want candidates with the right skill set with the publicans & wide boys of FF who managed the Celtic Tiger.

I would ask what skills GA has.

Skilled negotiator in consociationalism? Yes.
Ability to organise clandestine resistance to 'foreign invader'? Yes.
Famed for innovative and credible economic polices? Em, no.

wee truck big driver

garrincha62 wrote: »

Hmm, that seems like a silly thing to do. It seems the country is in an economic mess. Wanting someone who possesses the requisite skills to manage a responsible economy seems like a rational thing to want. Why would anyone want to go back to the Celtic Tiger greed?

Being skilled in an area is no bad thing. I think you are confusing people who want candidates with the right skill set with the publicans & wide boys of FF who managed the Celtic Tiger.

I would ask what skills GA has.

Skilled negotiator in consociationalism? Yes.
Ability to organise clandestine resistance to 'foreign invader'? Yes.
Famed for innovative and credible economic polices? Em, no.

so who was the only party not following fianna fail's lead in ecconomic policies at the last election..... so why dont you educate us who has been preaching this innovative different brand of economics that will sort the country out an return us to one of the leading economies in the world

garrincha62

Heartfelt though their opposition is, it doesn't mean they are right. A stopped clock is right twice a day. May I refer you to this article, which explores SF economic policy better than I can.

wee truck big driver

garrincha62 wrote: »

Heartfelt though their opposition is, it doesn't mean they are right. A stopped clock is right twice a day. May I refer you to this article, which explores SF economic policy better than I can.

or you a politican by any chance as you continue to avoid the question of who you think should get elected actual names and parties not just more waffle
as for the article this is still only an opinion just because its wrote down doesnt make it true plus i feel maybe we need to get worse so that we can rebuild fresh. its like an old house do you keep borrowing money for repairs putting of the inevitable or do you bring in the bulldozer flaten it and rebuild now