AZ Congresswoman assassination MK ultra mind control operation

Mr Plough

MKULTRA and political assassinations

The preliminary profile of Mark Lee Loughner indicates that he may be a person going through genuine programming under MKULTRA by mind control methods and programming by on-the-ground MKULTRA agents designed to disorient the individual mind and turn the individual into a ‘Manchurian candidate’ type assassin.

Loughner had told friends and family he was working for the government.
Following are videos from the shooter Mark Lee Loughners youtube page where he rambles about mind control.

1. Hello by Mark Lee Loughner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uRjwPWaxiY

2. My Final Thoughts: Jared Loughner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHoaZaLbqB4

3. How to: Mind Controller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnNx0WThoF0

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/az-congresswoman-assassination-scenario-has-mkultra-profile-drug-space-target



Top US Federal Judge Assassinated After Threat To Obama Agenda

A Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that the top US Federal Judge for the State of Arizona was assassinated barely 72-hours after he made a critical ruling against the Obama administrations plan to begin the confiscation of their citizen’s private retirement and banking accounts in order to stave off their nations imminent economic collapse, and after having the US Marshals protecting him removed.

Ritual Sacrifice of the 9 year old girl

Interesting to note about the assassination of Judge Roll is that it is being blamed on a “lone gunman” said to be mentally unstable (aren’t they all) said directed at a US Congresswoman named Gabrielle Giffords, who survived this mass killing, and that killed at least 5 other innocent people, including a 9-year-old girl named Christina Taylor Green “curiously” born on September 11, 2001 (9/11).
Equally interesting to note about the assassin, a 22-year-old man named Jared Loughner, is that he is being described by the propaganda media organs in the US as an “anti-government” type individual who prior to this mass killing is said to have left “crazed rantings” on the Internet, but whose “handler”, described as a white male between 40-50 years old with dark hair, is still being sought after

http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/top-us-federal-judge-assassinated-after-threat-to-obama-agenda/

thecommander

Mr Plough wrote: »

Ritual Sacrifice of the 9 year old girl

FFS, where do you get that from?

gizmo

So what about his classmates who have commented on his weirdness? And the fact that he was kicked out of school due to disruptive behaviour and, rather than facing a psychological examination upon his return, chose to drop out of school. Note, these events would have occurred a number of years ago given his age so clearly he was ill for quite some time before this attack.

joebucks

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jared-lee-loughner-suspected-gabrielle-giffords-shooter-school/story?id=12575278

Exclusive: Jared Loughner Radically Changed Before Alleged Shooting, Friend Says
Longtime Friend of Suspected Gunman: 'He Was a Good Person... I Don't Know What the Hell Happened to Him'

So what did happen him? Did they MKUltra the fvck out of him?
The videos on his youtube were are all posted pretty recently. Has anyone come across anything of his that shows a history of mental disturbance?
His shooting accuracy was of military standard but it is reported that the military rejected his enrolment. Where did he acquire his pistol skills??

digme

COD4 I'd say

gizmo

joebucks wrote: »

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jared-lee-loughner-suspected-gabrielle-giffords-shooter-school/story?id=12575278



So what did happen him? Did they MKUltra the fvck out of him?
The videos on his youtube were are all posted pretty recently. Has anyone come across anything of his that shows a history of mental disturbance?
His shooting accuracy was of military standard but it is reported that the military rejected his enrolment. Where did he acquire his pistol skills??

Same video from that link shows a neighbour saying "I told my mother he was a serial killer the first time I saw him." He was mixed up in drugs and the cops back in 2007. He was rejected from the military in 2008. Back in June of this year one of his classmates said "We have a mentally unstable person in class that scares the living crap out of me." He was later suspended from school for such disruptive behaviour as I mentioned above.

Clearly this must have been going on for a number of years so?

digme wrote: »

COD4 I'd say

This is another joke, right?

Nehaxak

He just looks and it all just sounds like he has mental health issues which were never addressed and dealt with properly.
Sometimes the explanation for something so outrageous can really be quite simple without having to go off on tangents and other absurdness, he was just simply mad.

sligopark

maybe he had enough of lying sneaky corrupt politicians and decided in a lost mind sort of way to pop one in the nut? (the lost sort of way being taking innocent folk around with that same lying corrupt politician)




EDIT - not saying folk here should start shooting our politicians

Mr Plough

Strange that the shot congresswoman Gifford was subscribed to her assailants youtube channel... Subscription has since been removed.. probably by her staff..



Link to her YT acc...

http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2
Another screener

Obviously someone has access to her YT account as she last logged in 4 minutes ago and she's in hospital with a bullet wound to the head.

Torakx

I would rather see his face on the youtube videos before i believe he wrote all that nonsense.
Even trying to emulate a crazy person i would do a better job of it to be honest.
No what i mean listener?

On top of that look at "his" youtube channel..
http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/f/0/3L1lsLU-kUw

Books:
I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Little mk hint there in a couple of them no?
And since when does a guy saying he studied grammar go around using the worst grammar/english ever.Is his second language english?

Sorry not buying any of it.
Il go with the mk ultra theory for now.Just makes way more sense considering everything so far, but in the end i dont really know for sure.
Depends what this poor woman was advocating really i guess or maybe whoshe had dealings with or didnt etc etc.

Ps notice his youtube channel says i HAD favourite books. Grammar mistake? Or some retard in N.S.A/C.I.A

thecommander

Torakx wrote: »

Sorry not buying any of it.
Il go with the mk ultra theory for now.Just makes way more sense considering everything so far, but in the end i dont really know for sure.

So he can't just be a loon? It just HAS to be a conspiracy.

Mr Plough

Torakx wrote: »

I would rather see his face on the youtube videos before i believe he wrote all that nonsense.
Even trying to emulate a crazy person i would do a better job of it to be honest.
No what i mean listener?

On top of that look at "his" youtube channel..
http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/f/0/3L1lsLU-kUw

Books:
I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Little mk hint there in a couple of them no?
And since when does a guy saying he studied grammar go around using the worst grammar/english ever.Is his second language english?

Sorry not buying any of it.
Il go with the mk ultra theory for now.Just makes way more sense considering everything so far, but in the end i dont really know for sure.
Depends what this poor woman was advocating really i guess or maybe whoshe had dealings with or didnt etc etc.

Ps notice his youtube channel says i HAD favourite books. Grammar mistake? Or some retard in N.S.A/C.I.A

Yeah, but the strange thing is that she was subscribed to his account. Weather it's the actual assailant or not, someone tried to make it look as if it was him which somewhat supports the MK ultra hypothesis.

studiorat

Some Troother becomes unhinged and as a cover-up the troothers make up an MK Ultra yarn. Well done lads.

Gordon

Mr Plough wrote: »

The preliminary profile of Mark Lee Loughner

Who?

So, when are we going to get to numerology?

Justin Lee LOughner
LEE Harvey Oswald
etc

joebucks

Whether he acted alone and off his own bat, the MSM/DHS are using this tragedy to smear as many alternative viewpoints as possible

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/01/09/dhs-memo-suggests-shooter-may-be-linked-racist-organization

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/01/dhs_has_not_determined_possibl.html

Brown Bomber

An old friend of Loughners on twitter

Caitie Parker

On Monday 10th January 2011, @caitieparker said:
Final statement regarding media & questions about Jared:

Thank you for the interview offers. I am declining any further interviews.

I think now is the time for us to mourn, & the time to heal. Whether are wounds are physical or within our selves. The focus should be on the victims & their families. At times in life we witness acts of malicious intent, & wonder who could do such a thing. Sadly, I know the face of this tragedy. I know his laugh, I know his voice, and have many memories from yesteryear, they haunt me. The boy I knew then, was kind, understanding, funny, & a great listener. The man he became, is a mind I do not know, his malevolence is something I will never understand. I hope one day we can all come to find our own sense of peace & understanding in spite of this event. Now is the time to mourn, not a time to speak.

Thank you,
Caitie Parker.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/82ar79

Or his face...


Mugshot

re mugshot

@caitieparker Caitie Parker


Those eyes, so soulless & full of evil. If I saw him in public I wouldn't have even recognized him. Frightens me so much, haunting!

Brown Bomber

thecommander wrote: »

So he can't just be a loon? It just HAS to be a conspiracy.

which part of

i dont really know for sure.

did you not understand
?

Gordon

Brown Bomber wrote: »

An old friend of Loughners on twitter

I'm sure she would see quite a change in him seeing as she's not seen him in three years, when he was a teenager.

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

Some Troother becomes unhinged and as a cover-up the troothers make up an MK Ultra yarn. Well done lads.

Your post sums up everything I hate about this forum.

Ignorant of the facts, dismissive, and patronising.

You do realise your complaining about people discussing conspiracies in a ct forum'? What exactly were you expecting?

Brown Bomber

Gordon wrote: »

I'm sure she would see quite a change in him seeing as she's not seen him in three years, when he was a teenager.

you missed the important part.

Those eyes, so soulless & full of evil.

Darlughda

Have to admit, from reading various stuff on this forum- it was the first thing that I thought of.

Right in the middle of conservative America. this woman who has had so many threats before, gets targeted along with others in a gun assault.

Nice easy assasination it seems by a mind controlled maniac, perhaps?

Gordon

Brown Bomber wrote: »

you missed the important part.

Nope, I didn't miss that bit actually!

Brown Bomber

Darlughda wrote: »

Have to admit, from reading various stuff on this forum- it was the first thing that I thought of.

Right in the middle of conservative America. this woman who has had so many threats before, gets targeted along with others in a gun assault.

Nice easy assasination it seems by a mind controlled maniac, perhaps?

Thing is it doesn't have to be a manchurian candidate type operation when they could just find a mentally disturbed patsy and encourage him and arm him - like the FBI have setup a lot of Arab wannabe jihadi's, I'd say this is far more likely than MK-Ultra type job.

The motive is definitely there in one foul swoop they have the foundation for legislation on gun control, holding people THEY SAY are mentally ill against their wishes, and they seem to be really angling for censoring the internet.

Torakx

If by loon its ment he may of had psychological trauma before he did this then yes i might agree.
He seems to have a bit of a tic in his left eye or whole side of face even.
Now since i like to blow things out of proportion and some of you love to call me out, il give you a free shot now for the sake of keeping on topic and getting the usual responses of incredulity.

I could imagine that somebody who recieved alot of psychological trauma say in the creation of split personalities or dissociative identity disorder in a short period of time and over the age of 10 might display some nervous tics or twitches.I think at around age 8 the medial prefrontal cortex develops that clump of nerves more so which is the solidification of the self and linked to the hippocampus as we experience things which helps build our selves seperately from experience.
We use the right side of the brain for creativity and imagination in most cases.Its regarded generally i think that d.i.d doesnt happen much after a child goes into their teen years.I believe its because they form a stronger sense of self and have less imagination as they did as a child,but scientists dont know why so im speculating on that part.
The right side of the brain controls the left side of the body and vice versa.
If i was going to say mkultra and all that i would be looking to the left eye for twitches.
But it seems his face is split in a way visually and looks quite different to the other side.
Possibly because the personality smiling in that picture(notice the smile is raised to the left side also) with a manic expression is the creation of an mkultra type scenario and is represented by the left side of the body or at least the eyes and face.Hands and legs are more open to flexibility with left and right brain as we learn to use them for different things as the brain develops and learns motor functions.
But the overall D.I.D idea is speculation on my part so dont go too crazy with the replies i understand it appears unlikely and he possibly just went incredibly insane sometime without outside influence after he had known that girl who later didnt recognize his expression or personality.

I can accept either scenario as possible.But as i said the mk ultra one to me and from what ive been reading on mind control and the brain functions etc looks slightly more plausible.
I just wouldnt totally discount it either is all.

Brown Bomber

Torakx wrote: »

Mein Kampf

Mein Kampf is explained by a friend. His mother is Jewish. Anti-semite my arse.

Tierney believes that Loughner was very interested in pushing people's buttons—and that may have been why he listed Hitler's Mein Kampf as one of his favorite books on his YouTube page. (Loughner's mom is Jewish, according to Tierney.)

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message?page=2

And who does this remind you off?

Loughner, according to Tierney, said, "I'm going to lead a more healthy lifestyle, not smoke cigarettes or pot anymore, and I'm going to start working out." Tierney was happy for his friend:

June twenty-ninth. I gotta get in shape. Too much sitting has ruined my body. Too much abuse has gone on for too long. From now on there will be 50 pushups each morning, 50 pullups. There will be no more pills, no more bad food, no more destroyers of my body. From now on will be total organization. Every muscle must be tight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSdVO7FKh7Q

Also interesting:

Tierney never saw Loughner smoke marijuana again, and he was surprised at media reports that Loughner had been rejected from the military in 2009 for failing a drug test: "He was clean, clean. I saw him after that continuously. He would not do it."

The published evidence indicates that Project MKULTRA involved the use of many methodologies to manipulate individual mental states and alter brain functions, including the surreptitious administration of drugs and other chemicals, sensory deprivation, isolation, and verbal and sexual abuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

Torakx

Actually i was looking mostly at through the looking glass,alice in wonderland,peter pan etc
Didnt even notice mein kampf as its something i would read myself just out of interest.
I wouldnt read childhood stories though, especially ones from before my time and it doesnt seem to stick easy to a "psycho killer" unless MK is involved.
And thats why i found them strange to be on his list.Although i didnt research to see if it was mentioned anywhere why these books where there.
Mein kampf would be a perfect way to be linked to nazism or right wing groups alrigth and your linking to taxi driver too fits well with the quotes posted.

As the commander and yourself speculate he also may just have been unstable to begin with or sometime after this girl had known him and was mimicing ideas seen before looking for a sense of purpose.

But when did this girl last see him before she didnt recognise the person he has become or the look in his eyes?

enno99

Torakx wrote: »

If by loon its ment he may of had psychological trauma before he did this then yes i might agree.
He seems to have a bit of a tic in his left eye or whole side of face even.
Now since i like to blow things out of proportion and some of you love to call me out, il give you a free shot now for the sake of keeping on topic and getting the usual responses of incredulity.

I could imagine that somebody who recieved alot of psychological trauma say in the creation of split personalities or dissociative identity disorder in a short period of time and over the age of 10 might display some nervous tics or twitches.I think at around age 8 the medial prefrontal cortex develops that clump of nerves more so which is the solidification of the self and linked to the hippocampus as we experience things which helps build our selves seperately from experience.
We use the right side of the brain for creativity and imagination in most cases.Its regarded generally i think that d.i.d doesnt happen much after a child goes into their teen years.I believe its because they form a stronger sense of self and have less imagination as they did as a child,but scientists dont know why so im speculating on that part.
The right side of the brain controls the left side of the body and vice versa.
If i was going to say mkultra and all that i would be looking to the left eye for twitches.
But it seems his face is split in a way visually and looks quite different to the other side.
Possibly because the personality smiling in that picture(notice the smile is raised to the left side also) with a manic expression is the creation of an mkultra type scenario and is represented by the left side of the body or at least the eyes and face.Hands and legs are more open to flexibility with left and right brain as we learn to use them for different things as the brain develops and learns motor functions.
But the overall D.I.D idea is speculation on my part so dont go too crazy with the replies i understand it appears unlikely and he possibly just went incredibly insane sometime without outside influence after he had known that girl who later didnt recognize his expression or personality.

I can accept either scenario as possible.But as i said the mk ultra one to me and from what ive been reading on mind control and the brain functions etc looks slightly more plausible.
I just wouldnt totally discount it either is all.

Cant say i fully understand left brain right brain stuff

Just wondering what did you make of his reference to his right hand in one of the videos

Brown Bomber

3 years apparently.

I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Yeah it's like a who's who of mind control...Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan, To Kill a Mockingbirdt, through the looking glass the guy who wrote One flew over the cuckoos nest actually volunteered for and took part in MK Ultra experiments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Kesey#Experimentation_with_psychoactive_drugs
Bizarre. It's almost as if he intentionally tried to have a reading list to connect him to MK-Ultra

Torakx

enno99 wrote: »

Cant say i fully understand left brain right brain stuff

Just wondering what did you make of his reference to his right hand in one of the videos

I watched and read the first two vids and skipped through the last but it was kind of mumo jumbo speak so was hard to follow.
What did "they" say exactly regarding the right hand? although i think its irrelevant.
Im right brain dominant at about 70% and write/draw left handed but my arms and legs are right side dominant.
Others can be right side dominant and still use the right hand for things like writing.It depends on which is forced on you or learned naturally as a kid and i believe genetics play a part too.

If however he used to be left handed and then suddenly is sporting a gun in the opposite hand id then think it was certainly linked.But doubt that happened would be too easy for me and thats never the case in these forums lol

enno99

Torakx wrote: »

I watched and read the first two vids and skipped through the last but it was kind of mumo jumbo speak so was hard to follow.
What did "they" say exactly regarding the right hand? although i think its irrelevant.
Im right brain dominant at about 70% and write/draw left handed but my arms and legs are right side dominant.
Others can be right side dominant and still use the right hand for things like writing.It depends on which is forced on you or learned naturally as a kid and i believe genetics play a part too.

If however he used to be left handed and then suddenly is sporting a gun in the opposite hand id then think it was certainly linked.But doubt that happened would be too easy for me and thats never the case in these forums lol

The other video was posted by BB on the other thread apparently he had two youtube channels

http://www.youtube.com/user/Starhitshnaz

skip to 1.34 the bubble thing comes up

Mr Plough

Who's this guy ?




Edit :
lol got a likkle confused when I saw his photo as a subscriber to the second YT account enno99 provided.

Torakx

Interesting.
Couldnt think of much offhand myself but stumbled across some stuff about dream symbols.
Since he supposedlty was very interested in dreaming this might be why..or not.

http://www.experiencefestival.com/dream_symbol_arm


Arm Dream Symbols:
An arm is an extension of yourself. Right arm often symbolizes sending or giving, left arm often symbolizes receiving or bringing in. Left arm would also symbolize the creative/metaphysical self, whereas the right arm would symbolize social duty/physical self. Losing an arm may suggest an inability to care for yourself and others.
So to expand with guestimates.It could be seen that the left arm which was missing represented his soul and person and his right arm still there represented his duty and physical body.Also note he is walking like a zombie.

Right im hitting the hay.Sweet dreams lol

david dare

wanted to add this to the discussion. Loughner frequented a forum under the name erad3. Here's the link:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/erad3.html

Some of his posts seem like hypnotic verbage. Example:

"If you see this post then forget the next ten minutes.
You see this post.
Forget the next ten minutes.


You'll start asking animals what the atheist nightmares are of? "

makes you wonder

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Your post sums up everything I hate about this forum.

Ignorant of the facts, dismissive, and patronising.

You do realise your complaining about people discussing conspiracies in a ct forum'? What exactly were you expecting?

Nothing to say as usual.

Do you have anything to say regarding my conspiracy theory? That troothers are hiding the fact that once again some conspiracy theory loon has become unhinged and acted on his own.

Another David Copeland, convinced that the Zionists were taking over and taking up the great fight?

Your posts indicate to me that you are covering up for this loon, well done!

Torakx

david dare wrote: »

wanted to add this to the discussion. Loughner frequented a forum under the name erad3. Here's the link:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/erad3.html

Some of his posts seem like hypnotic verbage. Example:

"If you see this post then forget the next ten minutes.
You see this post.
Forget the next ten minutes.


You'll start asking animals what the atheist nightmares are of? "

makes you wonder

And yet he is capable of writing this aparently too.

reply posted on 10-7-2010 @ 12:37 AM by Erad3 If you stop listening to the words of a unknown author then you'll realize the fictitious stand point of the thread.

The time spent with this thread will only lead to a disappointment in reasoning.

Of course there's no writer. Ask anyone, they'll tell you they don't know.

[edit on 10-7-2010 by Erad3]

Its funny to note you have one post and the second part of your name is erad backwards hehe
Coincedance?

But good find catching that forum.Some interesting posts in there.For the most part he was still talking soem mumbo jumbo as well as coherent stuff.
I wonder can we find anything at all from pre 2010? So we can see if he was like this before.
I wonder if 3Dare stands for anything in particular also.

joebucks

david dare wrote: »

wanted to add this to the discussion. Loughner frequented a forum under the name erad3. Here's the link:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/erad3.html

Some of his posts seem like hypnotic verbage. Example:

"If you see this post then forget the next ten minutes.
You see this post.
Forget the next ten minutes.


You'll start asking animals what the atheist nightmares are of? "

makes you wonder

How do you know that this was his account?

Do you know if his username has any connection to the ERAD??

enno99

joebucks wrote: »

How do you know that this was his account?

Do you know if his username has any connection to the ERAD??

The site owners think its him

We here at AboveTopSecret.com, our owners, staff, and membership find ourselves in the unfortunate position of apparently being one of the largest (if not the largest) repositories of online postings by someone who has been classified as a "monster" (among other things) due to his (accused) actions of two days ago. Online research that began on Reddit, and continued here on ATS has resulted in an overwhelming amount of anecdotal evidence to support the notion that the "erad3" member account here is Jared Loughner. Indeed, the content found in more than 4,000 Google search returns (including some pages in the mainstream press) have drawn the same conclusion.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread649091/pg1


Topics authored by erad3:
All aboard with the empty NASA Space Shuttles! (July 13, 2010)
Did NASA Fake the Mars Rovers? (July 12, 2010)
Infinite Source Of Currency!?!? (July 8, 2010)
Why is the year infinite in the date? (July 7, 2010)

U.S. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, wife of NASA astronaut, shot in Arizona

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_E._Kelly

In January of 2009, Congresswoman Giffords was selected to serve as Chair of the Space and Aeronautics Subcommittee. In this new role, she is leading the conversation around future space exploration, including the University of Arizona’s Phoenix Mars Mission; expanding aviation research; and working to inspire the next generation of math and science pioneers

http://giffords.house.gov/about/

Maybe that,s what got his interest

Torakx

So the question is, what happened to him over the last three years that made him switch so quickly to where he ended up?
Why the manic look in the picture i wonder and who too that picture?
The cops? FBI? family? friends? CIA? NSA?
My first guess is possibly the most likely though.


Maybe a very easily influenced cter and three years is enough to change your view on life and politics and grow a hate for your government.Mine was about the same time frame i think from diving into the ct world till now but i think im not quite at the manic stage just yet thankfully

Couldnt find anything on that forum that was dated before 2010 unfortunatly.Earliest post i found was i think back n febuary that year and it was more or less coherent iirc,but i could be wrong as it was late last night.

enno99

Just had a look at that ERAD site

If you look at their current projects there is one called MINDPLAY
but when you click on it there is nothing there
All the rest seem to have info about the projects??

studiorat

Torakx wrote: »

S
The cops? FBI? family? friends? CIA? NSA?
My first guess is possibly the most likely though.

Or the poor guy was simply ill. It happens, unfortunately it's not as interesting.

So why the cover up? Why are people blaming a dodgy experiment from the 1950's?

And how the hell can someone think Plato is part of a who's who of mind control!!±!!??? WTF?

Torakx

studiorat wrote: »

Or the poor guy was simply ill. It happens, unfortunately it's not as interesting.

So why the cover up? Why are people blaming a dodgy experiment from the 1950's?

And how the hell can someone think Plato is part of a who's who of mind control!!±!!??? WTF?

Doesnt have to be the exact same experiment..
Im sorry to sound condesending but do you really think i believe a 50-80 year old scientist from the 1950's got his hands on this guy to experiemnt and create a manchurian?Thatr would make him about 90-100 now no?
I think its likely he was made disturbed or was suffering with schizophrenia and then came across or given ideas which motivated him to do this.

When we or I anyway speak of mk i mean mind control and mk ultra i mean mind control with a view to using the person as a manchurian or something similar.
I guess you need to read betwen the lines.Ussually spending alot of time researching this stuff gives this ability to read between the lines and understand the gist of the convo.The mk ultra for example and the 90+ year old scientists would be the first unconscious clue to discard us meaning those people exaclty.These days its ussually used to describe any type of government conspiracy to brainwash or control the thinking/mind of individuals for a political purpose.
I dont think i can change my ways of putting these thoughts down im not great at articulating my thoughts unfortunatly.And to have explain all that as i wrote one word (mk ultra) would require ALOT of my time to type!

studiorat

Torakx wrote: »

Doesnt have to be the exact same experiment..
Im sorry to sound condesending but do you really think i believe a 50-80 year old scientist from the 1950's got his hands on this guy to experiemnt and create a manchurian?Thatr would make him about 90-100 now no?
I think its likely he was made disturbed or was suffering with schizophrenia and then came across or given ideas which motivated him to do this.

Toraakx, personally I think it's some poor kid who was listening to too much Fox news and paying way too much attention to what he was reading on the internet. Deluding himself that he was on to some elite knowledge, just look at his videos. It's all the usual esoteric bullsh1t, the troothers come up with this rubbish all the time there's no difference between them and the friggin Freemasons with the esoteric crap.

Nearly everybody has become completely polarized, you're either on one side or the other. Politics, particularly in the states, has become extremist in both directions. Add this to an already troubled mind and it's bound to go pear shaped, we've seen it time and time. Did you read the question which Loughner asked Gifford at a campaign meeting in 2007? 'What is government if words have no meaning?' And he seems to have had a grudge since.

IMO The reason people are blaming some mind control yarn is because they don't care about Jared Loughner, or Gabrielle Gifford or Christina Green. They simply want to make noise, they want to be the one who "breaks the story" or makes the "big discovery". To tell people about a mind control conspiracy or some group of elites.

Mr Plough

You should love this then studiorat....

I am not a psychiatrist, but there is something odd going on in this young man's mind. When I saw his mug shot something stood out for me immediately: he looks like two different people. His left and right sides are so dissimilar that they do not seem to belong to the same person. I worked with the mug shot photo in an editing program and came up with what Jared would look like if he were indeed more symmetrical and in essence what I ended up with were two complete persons - but two very different depictions of the same man.

http://myrunawaybrain.blogspot.com/2011/01/two-faces-of-jared-lee-loughner.html

Torakx

All valid theories imo too.
Before i had thought mk ultra was a hoax until i saw it being recorded as mentioned in courts etc and alot more openly.
While the "obvious" is quite possible, other people are already speculating the obvious easy answer that he was simply insane.
When i see it being blamed on the ussual suspects i like to check to see if its plausable another situation is happening.AS you say both sides have their extremiss and its hard to tell which side who is on and who got a hold of who bfore what happened lol

End of the day we will most likely never know if it was an mk ultra style job.
Same way we wil never know if it was bush's administration involved heavily in the 9/11 incident or if it was some people from the middle east.
Lots of "evidence" and identities etc can be faked by governments.

studiorat

Mr Plough wrote: »

Well to go out on a limb from reality following that blog, mind you it's only one photo. Perhaps his seeming fascination with language could also suggest some sort of unusual brain function.

Was he left handed or right?

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=498707&page=1

And my favorite quote from the above article

Furthermore, he and his colleagues have linked this handedness to the KNOB

:eek:

gizmo

Mr Plough wrote: »

You should love this then studiorat....





http://myrunawaybrain.blogspot.com/2011/01/two-faces-of-jared-lee-loughner.html

Er, if the second picture there is just the first one with some lighting changed along with some of the detail on his face. The third one is some sort of double width egg-headed monstrosity, look at the size of his chin for example. Then you have the artificial darkening of his left eye to make him look even more creepy.

The Recliner

gizmo wrote: »

Er, if the second picture there is just the first one with some lighting changed along with some of the detail on his face. The third one is some sort of double width egg-headed monstrosity, look at the size of his chin for example. Then you have the artificial darkening of his left eye to make him look even more creepy.

I think they have just matched the left side of his face with the reversed image of the left side of his face and right with right in both those extra photos

I suppose it exaggerates the lopsidedness of it all

Mr Plough

Ye almost had it figured out Gizmo.

It states in the link, it is as the recliner said.

Edit
Actually, it's stated under the images

gizmo

Sorry, my point was more why they decided to do it? I mean, we all have asymmetrical faces so what point was he trying to make?

As it happens, upon flicking down through some of the comments it seems that he doesn't really have one outside of some odd artistic perspective.

joebucks

This is mad..The account favorited on Loughners youtube is seeing all sorts of action, even posts from Loughners own supposed account, classitup10.



This fella seems very dodgy also..
http://www.youtube.com/user/PIMIENTO666

Edit sorry my bad, it is a fake Loughner account

Torakx

I think regarding the left handedness it cant be seen to show anything concrete.
Im left handed for some things and if boxing will switch intermitently but am relaxed in orthodox stance more so for some things like kicking and hooks.And i use roughly 70% of the right side of my brain.
The language part of the brain in most people is in the left side so in theory and sticking roughly with averages if he was obsessed with language and logic he might be right handed and if he was into dreaming and philosophy and creative he might be left handed but this isnt always the case as the brain learns to use different hands for different things somehow.I presume through experience and trial and error.

But looking at schizophrenia, if he had it, any outside signs might be located(my own theory) on the left side of the body but more so likely the face and eyes as the eyes are stuck in that position and only view, so the brain definetly uses left eye for right side of the brain and so on.

Sorry have been doing research on the hippocampus,amagydala and medial prefrontal cortex a while back and its all facinating to me.
This is what got me going back then and its addictive reading!
http://www.carlzimmer.com/articles/2005/articles_2005_gazzaniga.html