rothschild will own Ireland

Killer Pigeon

colm1234 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPWH5TlbloU

The Rothschild family (known as The House of Rothschild,or more simply as the Rothschilds) is a European family of German Jewish origin that established European banking and finance houses from the late eighteenth century. Five lines of the Austrian branch of the family were elevated into the Austrian nobility, being given hereditary baronies of the Habsburg Empire by Emperor Francis II in 1816. The British branch of the family was elevated into the British nobility by Queen Victoria. It has been argued that during the 19th century, the family possessed by far the largest private fortune in the world, and by far the largest fortune in modern history

what are peoples thoughts on this taken into account they are soon to own Ireland ? (watch the video first )

Hold on, they're Jewish? I'm suddenly compelled to exterminate all the Jews.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Mahatma coat

They also hold Hereditary titles, That might be a more productive place to start should you get the urge to round people up and interrogate them about where all the money went:)

jackiebaron

AntiMatter wrote: »

Any info on how they are going to own Ireland?

Well their mates, the Barings, already own Lambay Island. Maybe they'll have a race who can grab most of Ireland first.

Brown Bomber

New World Order wrote: »

I have read and watched all these conspiracy theories. You have to separate the truth from fiction, some of the stuff is just off the wall.

I have to say its really entertaining anyway. But most of it is nonsense.

I'm tired so I'm not going to address your whole ode to Rothschild just now but to quote you regarding your post "most of it is nonsense" and "you have to seperate fact from fiction".

The father you are referring to is Mayer Amschel Rothschild who had the difficult life of being the son of a banker, studying to being a Rabbi, LEAVING Frankfurt to work/train as a banker and returning to Frankfurt to take over his fathers business upon the death of his father.

Here is the house that Mayer Amschel (Bauer as he was then known) was born and raised in.


http://www.altfrankfurt.com/Altstadt2/Judengasse/Rothschild/

Now compare that to the life of an Irish, Catholic peasant at the same time and tell me who was better off.

jackiebaron

New World Order wrote: »

Think Barings is gone, may be another bank your thinking of. Nick Leeson single handedly took them out..

Barings Bank is gone. That's all. The Barings Family and their trusts and massive fortunes are still very much around.

...and the Rothchilds weren't "persecuted Jews" and they didn't live in no goddamn ghetto. Where did you get that horsesh!t from? "Did what they did to survive".....are you for real?

jackiebaron

New World Order wrote: »

The family's rise to European prominence began in 1744, with the birth of Mayer Amschel Rothschild in Frankfurt am Main, Germany, the son of Amschel Moses Rothschild (born circa 1710),[6] a money changer, who had traded with the Prince of Hesse. Born in the ghetto (called "Judengasse" or Jewish Alley) of Frankfurt,

The ghetto was located outside the city walls east of the medieval city wall (Staufenmauer) and formed a slight curve from today's Konstablerwache to Börneplatz, near the river Main. The street was about 330 meters long, three to four meters wide, and had three town gates. The gates were locked at night as well as on Sundays and Christian holidays. Due to the narrow street and the limited access, the Judengasse was destroyed three times by fire in the 18th century alone, in 1711, 1721 and 1796.
Initially, some 15 families with about 110 members lived in Frankfurt's Judengasse when they were forcibly removed from the city and relocated to the ghetto by decree of Frederick III in 1462. By the 16th century, the number of inhabitants rose to over 3,000, living in 195 houses.[2] The ghetto had one of the highest population densities in Europe. Contemporary documents described it as narrow, oppressive and dirty.

Now compare that to an Irish Catholic peasant..But we were persecuted by the same Germanic Royal Families of Great Britain. If you know your history then you know the Windsors changed their names to Windsor from Saxe Gotha Coburg, google that...So why don't you put a thread up about them...

The problem then is captialism and the FIAT Monetary system which is a ponzi scheme that we all put our trust in..

Money changers have been around since the time of Jesus, when he threw them out of the Temple. "A money changer is a person who exchanges the coins or currency of one country for that of another. This trade is thought generally to be the origin of modern banking in Europe.".....As the size and operations of money changers grew they began to provide a lending facility, hiding the interest rate in foreign exchange rate transaction. Later the Knights Templar provided this service to prilgims traveling to and from the Holy Land...So Christians and Jews became money changers and bankers. This conspiracy crap is just you wanting to believe in it..Just keep on reading and you will learn more....

The Romans seem to blame money changers too...

The Vestals (Vestal Virgins, were like nuns today) became a powerful and influential force in the Roman state. When Sulla included the young Julius Caesar in his proscriptions, the Vestals interceded on Caesar's behalf and gained him pardon.[5] Augustus included the Vestals in all major dedications and ceremonies. The urban prefect Symmachus, who sought to maintain traditional Roman religion during the rise of Christianity, wrote:

The laws of our ancestors provided for the Vestal virgins and the ministers of the gods a moderate maintenance and just privileges. This gift was preserved inviolate till the time of the degenerate moneychangers, who diverted the maintenance of sacred chastity into a fund for the payment of base porters. A public famine ensued on this act, and a bad harvest disappointed the hopes of all the provinces... it was sacrilege which rendered the year barren, for it was necessary that all should lose that which they had denied to religion.[6]

So money could be blamed for all evil, but the world has embraced it, so if you can think of another better way then we can sort it out...We could go back to salt...or bartering.. Greed is the name of the game..human nature...

I kind of rambled on in my post, but what I was trying to say was that we should be more focused on what our politicians did not some fantasy about the Rothschilds...Stay focused on Lenihan (RIP), Cowen and Bertie..

NWO, slowly reread what you just posted. Mayer was born in the 18th CENTURY...ok? The "persecution" at the hands of Frederic III occurred in FOURTEEN FÜCKING SIXTY TWO!!!....300 year earlier. Honestly, the way these chronicles are shabbily put together to skew opinion is breathtaking. It's like stating that someone born in Kensington in the 80's "rose from squalor" because the place was a bubonic plague-infested slum and home to scoundrels, vermin and guttersnipes in the 1700's

FFS!

rocksteady36

jackiebaron wrote: »

NWO, slowly reread what you just posted. Mayer was born in the 18th CENTURY...ok? The "persecution" at the hands of Frederic III occurred in FOURTEEN FÜCKING SIXTY TWO!!!....300 year earlier. Honestly, the way these chronicles are shabbily put together to skew opinion is breathtaking. It's like stating that someone born in Kensington in the 80's "rose from squalor" because the place was a bubonic plague-infested slum and home to scoundrels, vermin and guttersnipes in the 1700's

FFS!

FFS is right man, this conspiracy sht is not good for your health.

The funny thing is you guys are so caught up with this fantasy you havent even commented on anyhting NWO said about Bertie, Cowen or Lenihan, probably because you fk all about whats goin on in front of you...

Its not up to us to spoon feed you history...

'The Frankfurter Judengasse (from German: “Jews' Alley”) was the Jewish ghetto of Frankfurt and one of the earliest ghettos in Germany. It existed from 1462 until 1796 and was home to Germany's largest Jewish community in early modern times.

The Christians kept Jews in Ghettos on and off for CENTURIES...Because jews killed Jesus...wtf...

And yea fair fkn play to them for copying the Christians and rising up to the top in a christian world...

Following a royal and aristocratic technique, which also was copied later by business dynasties such as the Du Pont family,[9] Mayer Rothschild successfully kept the fortune in the family with carefully arranged marriages, including between first or second cousins, although by the later 19th century, almost all Rothschilds had started to marry outside the family, usually into the aristocracy or other financial dynasties.[9]


Jewish Ghettos were all over europe, not because they were poor but because they were persecuted and forced to live their because of the fkn POPE...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ghettos_in_Europe

I am tired of this bullsht, and I am not spoon feeding you clowns history..

Read up yourself.

The FIAT monetary system is broken, Ron Paul can tell you all about that..without the conspiracies...

There will always be different levels of intelligence in societies, the smart ones rise up and control the sheep.. Its natural selection..But to blame the Rothschilds and say there Jews, like that matters is fkn retarded...

Christians have shown themselves to be more fkn evil than Jews throughout history..

Brown Bomber

rocksteady36 wrote: »

FFS is right man, this conspiracy sht is not good for your health.

The funny thing is you guys are so caught up with this fantasy you havent even commented on anyhting NWO said about Bertie, Cowen or Lenihan, probably because you fk all about whats goin on in front of you...

Its not up to us to spoon feed you history...

'The Frankfurter Judengasse (from German: “Jews' Alley”) was the Jewish ghetto of Frankfurt and one of the earliest ghettos in Germany. It existed from 1462 until 1796 and was home to Germany's largest Jewish community in early modern times.

It's you who needs to be spoonfed... Yes the Rothschilds lived in a a ghetto, moral relativism should be applied but unquestionably it was wrong in any age.

However, it doesn't automatically follow that living in a ghetto = poverty or is undesirable.

M.A. Bauer's (Rothschild) father was a money changer and rare coin dealer who travelled all over Germany for his work. They Rothschild family of Frankfurt was held in high regard and was influential within the Orthodox religious system of Frankfurt (as I'd said previously Mayer Amschel went to college to study as a Rabbi). The Frankfurt home which I showed previously and which they shared with the Schiffs, themselves to become major international financiers was lived in by Mayer Amschel's mother until she was nearly a 100 years old - decades after her sons had become virtual princes of Europe rubbing shoulders with the rich and the noble.

This poses two questions which I'd like for you to answer:

1. What poverty stricken woman living amongst the filth, disease and despair of a urban ghetto lives to being almost 100 in the 17th Century?
2. Why oh why would a woman who could live in a palace anywhere of her choosing live in a ghetto by choice if it was so intolerable?

rocksteady36 wrote: »

And yea fair fkn play

Fair play to them....?

Fair play to them for being involved in the slave trade? Fair play to them for being involved in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine? Fair play to them for being involved in the Asian opium trade? Fair play to them being involved in financing both sides of wars for centuries?

Bottom line here is that they have made their fortune from wars and depressions that they have engineered themselves. If your as informed as you claim to be then your just sticking your head in the sand.

It has nothing to do with them being Jewish. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. If it is claimed as such the claimant is a bigot without any defense. However, that does nothing to change that "they have made their fortune from wars and depressions that they have engineered themselves".

In the case of Ireland they were both government advisors and bondholders while the average working man was getting raped by the advisors (Rothschild)/government to pay the bondholders (Rothschild).

rocksteady36 wrote: »

I am tired of this bullsht, and I am not spoon feeding you clowns history..

No. You certainly are not.

rocksteady36

Brown Bomber wrote: »

It's you who needs to be spoonfed... Yes the Rothschilds lived in a a ghetto, moral relativism should be applied but unquestionably it was wrong in any age.

However, it doesn't automatically follow that living in a ghetto = poverty or is undesirable.

M.A. Bauer's (Rothschild) father was a money changer and rare coin dealer who travelled all over Germany for his work. They Rothschild family of Frankfurt was held in high regard and was influential within the Orthodox religious system of Frankfurt (as I'd said previously Mayer Amschel went to college to study as a Rabbi). The Frankfurt home which I showed previously and which they shared with the Schiffs, themselves to become major international financiers was lived in by Mayer Amschel's mother until she was nearly a 100 years old - decades after her sons had become virtual princes of Europe rubbing shoulders with the rich and the noble.

This poses two questions which I'd like for you to answer:

1. What poverty stricken woman living amongst the filth, disease and despair of a urban ghetto lives to being almost 100 in the 17th Century?
2. Why oh why would a woman who could live in a palace anywhere of her choosing live in a ghetto by choice if it was so intolerable?

Fair play to them....?

Fair play to them for being involved in the slave trade? Fair play to them for being involved in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine? Fair play to them for being involved in the Asian opium trade? Fair play to them being involved in financing both sides of wars for centuries?

Bottom line here is that they have made their fortune from wars and depressions that they have engineered themselves. If your as informed as you claim to be then your just sticking your head in the sand.

It has nothing to do with them being Jewish. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. If it is claimed as such the claimant is a bigot without any defense. However, that does nothing to change that "they have made their fortune from wars and depressions that they have engineered themselves".

In the case of Ireland they were both government advisors and bondholders while the average working man was getting raped by the advisors (Rothschild)/government to pay the bondholders (Rothschild).


No. You certainly are not.

You guys are so funny, I like the way you distance yourself from any anti semite sht..But why didnt you put your oar in when posters were spreading anti semite crap, cos thats where most of this discussion on Rothschilds ends..

So you try and set me straight with ur crap, so living in the Ghetto was very healthy and gave them a high standard of living?

So your basing this on the house they shared with another family..

Also your basing it on the standards of living in the Ghetto towards the end..

A ghetto is a Ghetto..Its insane to say they had it good, listen to yourself man..Because some of the families made good from the ghetto, they are conspiring to take over the world.. And lets be honest when its the Rothschilds were talking about, ppl always stick in 'their Jews'....This thread its evidence enough..

AS for them advising the government I think Merril Lynch should be investigated...They advised the Irish govt during the crisis. The Rothschilds took over after, so all the advisers are corrupt..

The government had a report thrown together by Merrill Lynch, which declared that “all of the Irish banks are profitable and well capitalised.” The difference between this official line and Kelly’s was too vast to be split. You believed either one or the other, and until September 2008, who was going to believe this guy holed up in his office wasting his life writing about the impact of the Little Ice Age on the English population?

The bank analyst who had been most prescient and interesting about the Irish banks worked for Merrill Lynch. His name was Philip Ingram.

But Ingram was skeptical of the Irish banks. He had read Morgan Kelly’s newspaper articles and even paid Kelly a visit in his university office. To Ingram’s eyes, there undoubtedly appeared to be a vast difference between what the Irish banks were saying and what was really happening.

To get at it he ignored what they were saying and went looking for knowledgeable insiders in the commercial-property market. He interviewed them, as a journalist might. On March 13, 2008, six months before the Irish real-estate Ponzi scheme collapsed, Ingram published a report, in which he simply quoted verbatim what British market insiders had told him about various banks’ lending to commercial real estate.

The Irish banks were making far riskier loans in Ireland than they were in Britain, but even in Britain, the report revealed, they were the nuttiest lenders around: in that category, Anglo Irish, Bank of Ireland, and A.I.B. came, in that order, first, second, and third.

For a few hours the Merrill Lynch report was the hottest read in the London financial markets, until Merrill Lynch retracted it.



Merrill had been a lead underwriter of Anglo Irish’s bonds and the corporate broker to A.I.B.: they’d earned huge sums of money off the growth of Irish banking. Moments after Phil Ingram hit the Send button on his report, the Irish banks called their Merrill Lynch bankers and threatened to take their business elsewhere.



The same executive from Anglo Irish who had called to scream at Morgan Kelly called a Merrill research analyst to scream some more. Ingram’s superiors at Merrill Lynch hauled him into meetings with in-house lawyers, who toned down the report’s pointed language and purged it of its damning quotes from market insiders, including its many references to Irish banks.



And from that moment everything Ingram wrote about Irish banks was edited, and bowdlerized by Merrill Lynch’s lawyers. At the end of 2008, Merrill fired him. One of Ingram’s colleagues, a fellow named Ed Allchin, was also made to apologize to Merrill’s investment bankers individually for the trouble he’d caused them by suggesting there was still money to be made on shorting Irish banks.


It would have been difficult for Merrill Lynch’s investment bankers not to know, at some level, that in a reckless market the Irish banks had acted with a recklessness all their own. But in the seven-page memo to Brian Lenihan—for which the Irish taxpayer forked over to Merrill Lynch seven million euros—they kept whatever reservations they may have had to themselves. “All of the Irish banks are profitable and well capitalised,” wrote the Merrill Lynch advisers, who then went on to suggest that the banks’ problem wasn’t at all the bad loans they had made but the panic in the market.

The Merrill Lynch memo listed a number of possible responses the Irish government might have to any run on Irish banks. It refrained from explicitly recommending one course of action over another, but its analysis of the problem implied that the most sensible thing to do was guarantee the banks. After all, the banks were fundamentally sound. Promise to eat all losses, and markets would quickly settle down—and the Irish banks would go back to being in perfectly good shape. As there would be no losses, the promise would be free.

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2011/03/michael-lewis-ireland-201103?currentPage=1

So why arent you posting a thread about Merril Lynch... Lets get real here, your conspiracy theories are just fantasy..It also means your focused on the wrong people, so that could be a conspiracy theory in itself, all you sheep are looking the other way reading fantasy instead of fact...

Its greed...May be some Rothschilds have done wrong, but the conspiracy theory is just gay..Like I said its the FIAT monetary system, derivatives, speculation, and printing money out of thin air and calling it capital..

So what about Merrill Lynch...They advised the government before not Rothschild like you claim, Rothschild replaces Merrill as Irish government adviser.

I am not responding to anymore of this crap cos you guys really think your the enlightened ones..So it just goes on and on with this crap, get a better theory...There are much better conspiracy theories for you to defend instead of this crap..

rocksteady36

I forgot to answer your two inspired questions..But just to say this type of question is a real reflection of the makey upy type crap you guys rely on..

This poses two questions which I'd like for you to answer:

1. What poverty stricken woman living amongst the filth, disease and despair of a urban ghetto lives to being almost 100 in the 17th Century?
2. Why oh why would a woman who could live in a palace anywhere of her choosing live in a ghetto by choice if it was so intolerable?

Firstly your implying the Ghetto was a great place to live and people live long and prosper. Or that the Rothschild are reptillians and can live longer. May be they have a secret elixir of youth.

To throw a bit of fact in here, a gene has been found that can predict that people can live to 100..

The Sunday times..

SCIENTISTS have discovered the “Methuselah” genes whose lucky carriers have a much improved chance of living to 100 even if they indulge in an unhealthy lifestyle.

The genes appear to protect people against the effects of smoking and bad diet and can also delay the onset of age-related illnesses such as cancer and heart disease by up to three decades.
No single gene is a guaranteed fountain of youth. Instead, the secret of longevity probably lies in having the right “suite” of genes, according to new studies of centenarians and their families. Such combinations are extremely rare — only one person in 10,000 reaches the age of 100.



So maybe the woman had this gene or genes...I know my granny is 85, still driving around and living a full life, her sister is 95...Her sister lived a relatively modest life..


http://www.voanews.com/english/news/health/Genes-Predict-Who-Will-Live-to-Age-100-98430884.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/biology_evolution/article7127753.ece

As for the second question..asked with such passion?

1. Why oh why would a woman who could live in a palace anywhere of her choosing live in a ghetto by choice if it was so intolerable?

Here is the rest of wiki desrciption,

Following the end of the Confederation of the Rhine and reestablishment of the Free City of Frankfurt in 1816, the Senate agreed upon a series of articles to the Constitution. Acknowledging the desires of the Christian majority, the rights of the Jews were again curtailed. However, the requirement to live in the Ghetto was not renewed. In 1864 Frankfurt became the second German city, following the Grand Duchy of Baden (1862), to remove all restrictions on citizens' rights and to grant civic equality to Jews.

Due to the crowded and unsanitary conditions on the Judengasse most Jews had left the former ghetto during the 19th century and settled in the neighboring suburb, "Ostend". After the Jews had moved out of the Judengasse, the poor of Frankfurt moved in. Although the picturesque streetscape attracted tourists and painters, the city wanted to redevelop the urban area. So, in 1874 the desolate buildings on the west side of the street were razed. Then in 1884 nearly all the houses on the east side of the street were also demolished. The few remaining buildings included the Rothschild family home at Number 148, then used as a museum. Mayer Amschel Rothschild's widow, Gutele Rothschild (born Schnaper), lived in this house even after her five sons were elevated to nobility in 1817.



I only feel the need to use wiki as most of you guys are using David Icke and Alex Jones..

To me it shows great character to live amongst the people she always did. She didnt want to leave to riches, she was happy in the Ghetto..with the friends and things she grew up with...

Was her name Jenny, I'm still jenny from the block, dont be fooled by the rocks that I got...

Lastly I watched Alex Jones interview David Rothschilds, I cringed hearing him talking to David Rothschild...I cringe to hear your crap too.

Brown Bomber

rocksteady36 wrote: »

You guys are so funny,

Which guys? And why?

rocksteady36 wrote: »

I like the way you distance yourself from any anti semite sht.

And why wouldn't I? I find real anti-semitism as vile and repulsive as any other form of bigotry.

rocksteady36 wrote: »

But why didnt you put your oar in when posters were spreading anti semite crap,

I condemn anti-semitism unwaveringly. I'm not familiar with the earlier parts of this thread.

However I don't condemn someone for mentioning the fact that a Jewish family is Jewish. That's PC nonsense, a conditioned response programmed into the "sheep" that you seem fond of mentioning.

For example, in repsonse to this statement (emphasis added by the responder):

The Rothschild family (known as The House of Rothschild,or more simply as the Rothschilds) is a European family of German Jewish origin

We get this nonsense:

Hold on, they're Jewish? I'm suddenly compelled to exterminate all the Jews.

Surely you don't need it pointed out how ridiculous a response this is to make to a factual statement?

rocksteady36 wrote: »

cos thats where most of this discussion on Rothschilds ends..

Well no, not in this case. The "discussion on Rothschild" ended with you wilfully ignoring this crucial point.


"Fair play to them for being involved in the slave trade? Fair play to them for being involved in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine? Fair play to them for being involved in the Asian opium trade? Fair play to them being involved in financing both sides of wars for centuries?

Bottom line here is that they have made their fortune from wars and depressions that they have engineered themselves. If your as informed as you claim to be then your just sticking your head in the sand."

It's just come into my head that Rothschild financed the robber barons of South Africa who were instrumental in setting up apartheid too. Just another example. It has nothing to do with them being Jewish. In fact, it was South African Jews, primarily communists and civil rights activists who allied with the ANC and were a crucial component to ending apartheid. Likewise the Civil Rights Movement in the US. By your own logic of mentioning a crime committed by a Jew = anti-Jew I have just become a Judeophile by mentioning great humanitarian and selfless acts committed by Jews.

Or more realistically I am just stating facts connected the individuals involved that has sweet **** all to do with religion.

rocksteady36 wrote: »

So you try and set me straight with ur crap, so living in the Ghetto was very healthy and gave them a high standard of living?

No. Perhaps I should've been more clear. It goes without saying that religious persecution is wrong. However, life in a ghetto develops a social hierarchy just like anywhere else. Life on the top rung of the ghetto is markedly different to life on the bottom rung. The Bauer (Rothschild) clan were on or near the top. Compare it to life in a prison. To be part of the elite group of prisoners life is much easier and comes with much more benefits than the guy at the bottom though it is all relative to life in other prisons elsewhere and life outside the prison walls. Your own link states that the Frankfurt ghetto was the highest populated Jewish Ghetto in Germany. Why do you think that was?

rocksteady36 wrote: »

A ghetto is a Ghetto..Its insane to say they had it good, listen to yourself man..Because some of the families made good from the ghetto, they are conspiring to take over the world..

I never said that and don't believe it.

rocksteady36 wrote: »

And lets be honest when its the Rothschilds were talking about, ppl always stick in 'their Jews'....This thread its evidence enough...

On the contrary. It is you who keeps bringing up their religion. I on the other hand think that religion is irrelevant. So let's keep honest.

rocksteady36 wrote: »

AS for them advising the government I think Merril Lynch should be investigated...They advised the Irish govt during the crisis. The Rothschilds took over after, so all the advisers are corrupt..

Agreed.

rocksteady36 wrote: »

So why arent you posting a thread about Merril Lynch...

Why aren't you? And FWIW I didn't start this thread.

rocksteady36 wrote: »

Lets get real here,

OK...

rocksteady36 wrote: »

your conspiracy theories are just fantasy..

Which conspiracy theories would that be?

Let's take for example The House of Rothschild funding the robber barons that pillaged South Africa. This might be a lesser known fact. Leaving Cert history certainly didn't cover it but nevertheless it is a verifiable fact.

Now I'm going to make an assumption here that you didn't know this. And because it mentions "Rothschild" and groups actively working behind the scenes to profit from others misery you automatically right it off as a conspiracy and thereby ignore the legitimacy of these facts.

I would suggest that it is you who living in the "fantasy" land.

rocksteady36 wrote: »

Its greed...May be some Rothschilds have done wrong, but the conspiracy theory is just gay..Like I said its the FIAT monetary system, derivatives, speculation, and printing money out of thin air and calling it capital.

I think we've found the source of your confusion now.

Have you never considered that the Rothschilds are behind the "FIAT monetary system, derivatives, speculation, and printing money out of thin air and calling it capital."

rocksteady36

Ok you win..

tweedledee

A very old saying from a british banker around the time of the war,"he who controls the money,controls the people and I control the money".....
There are soooo many naive people here its shocking.
Most institutions,including IMF,ECB etc get their money from other bigger banks.There are not that many banks bigger than the IMF/ECB except for 6 or 7 extremely wealthy Families.
These families are sooo wealthy they make Bill Gates look cheap.
They survive on two things,1: WAR 2:GREED.

tweedledee

Funny thing is this really isn't a conspiracy theory,in global banking circles this is common knowledge.
Countries are basically companies that need money to survive.

FireHydrant

http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14666

Check this out... Makes sense to me!

rocksteady36

FireHydrant wrote: »

http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14666

Check this out... Makes sense to me!

This is Russian, I can't let the Russian controlled media tell us how corrupt the West is..He is right that the fiat monetary system is screwed though and the fed is a joke. The russians are spending big money trying to take out the US and EU with the likes or RT, but I would hate to be ruled by the Russians, sleeping giants..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnkYo9TuBIQ

Also a great interview with James Goldsmith from years ago about how the leaders of US etc are going to destroy the lives of workers by moving their operations abroad to third world countries..

His ancestors were Jewish and neighbours of the Rothschilds lol He sounds like a champion of the people, may be the Anti Rothschilds lol. He states he is 'half French, half Irish'.


Sir James Michael "Jimmy" Goldsmith (26 February 1933 18 July 1997) was an Anglo-French financier. Towards the end of his life, he became a magazine publisher and a politician. In 1994, he was elected to represent France as a Member of the European Parliament and he subsequently founded the short-lived eurosceptic Referendum Party in Britain.
In this interview, Sir Goldsmith discusses the ramifications of free-trade agreements that were about to take place in 1994 (GATT), as you can retrospectively see, he correctly predicted many of the things that happened after that.

Torakx

His name says it all to me lol
Sir James.
Anyone titled Sir by the English (im presuming) is suspicious to me despite what he says.
Alot of folks start off sounding great and then end up being a tyrant if i remember correctly.

But thats not to say he isnt or wasnt correct.Just i would suspect he true nature or motives in the long run.

rocksteady36

Torakx wrote: »

His name says it all to me lol
Sir James.
Anyone titled Sir by the English (im presuming) is suspicious to me despite what he says.
Alot of folks start off sounding great and then end up being a tyrant if i remember correctly.

But thats not to say he isnt or wasnt correct.Just i would suspect he true nature or motives in the long run.

Thats just a closed minded response, you guys are conspiracy theorists and your minds are meant to be open, but you can't just write everyone off and everything as a conspiracy, thats just closed minded...

You suspect his motives in the long run, he was a billionaire and capitalist, he could easily have jumped on board and supported the free trade and removing barries, then make enormous profits by exploiting this.. he had the money and the business brains to do that, but he went out and tried to show us what would happen and what has happened...

Look at the interview he gave in its context..It was when the global trade barriers were being dismantled and globalism embraced that had a detrimental effect on the lower class, or working class, both skilled and unskilled, and thats what he was saying, he wrote a book on it, and he was against this whole NWO that you guys love to harp on about.

He was a decent man, but it throws your Jewish conspiracy on its head. His kid married a Rothschild and his grandfather was related to the Rothschilds and from the same Ghetto.

He is a Knight but thats good for business and he is a capitalist, but he does not believe that big business should canibalise society, and devour it.

This is some of what he says about Europe

Let's now turn to the construction of Europe. You believe in a European Community, but you reject the
Europe that would result from the Treaty of Maastricht. Why?

Maastricht seeks to create a supranational, centralized, bureaucratic state - a homogenized union. It
would destroy the pillars on which Europe was built - its nations. It would convert Europe into one
multicultural space, in which national identities would be fused and sovereignty abandoned. It

would coerce ancient European nations to merge into the ultimate artificial state. As George Orwell
remarked, it is characteristic of intellectuals to pass over in incomprehension the dominant political
passion of the age. Today, that passion is the search for national identity. And this is the moment when
European ruling elites are seeking to destroy the identity of every European nation.

How is it that the peoples of twelve European nations have agreed to this?

The European Union was built in secret: not through carelessness or casualness, but in a
deliberately planned and skilfully executed manner. Claude Cheysson, the former French Minister of Foreign Affairs
and a member of the European Commission from 1985 to 1989, described the mechanism in an interview
in Le Figaro on 7 May 1994. He explained proudly that the European Union could only have been
constructed in the absence of democracy, and he went on to suggest that the present problems were the
result of having mistakenly allowed a public debate on the merits of the Treaty of Maastricht. (From his book below)

Great read for Conspiracy Theorists



He is a very intelligent decent man, and you guys should read his book where he argued that free trade and modern agriculture are destroying society, looking at the Documentary Food Inc. and you can see he was right in 1994 about agriculture..and the EU

Book....

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16830077/Sir-James-Goldsmith-Argues-That-Free-Trade-and-Modern-Agriculture-Are-Destroying-Society

Food Inc.

here

http://watch-movies.ro/movie/food,_inc._%282008%29

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhOo1oRqH70

You guys will love these so

The Trap - We Will Force You To Be Free

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNZ28na7ksY&feature=related




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt-FyuuWlWQ&feature=related

Torakx

I agree in some respects.
Alot of what he is talking about i have no doubt resonates alot with how i think and feel on many topics.
I am just pointing out that despite all the good things people have said and done in the past,it has many times lead to much worse down the road seemingly by circumstance,where i have a feeling it may be more by design.
So forgive me if i wish to stay suspicious.
I will though check out the documentaries i havent seen already that you linked.
I dont know if ive seen the trap but i can imagine its something i will agree with.
Im the guy for example that goes into tescos and refuses to be pushed onto the self service machines because i believe it will eventually lead to more unemployment.
I believe there are alot of traps set for modern society and most people obliviously walk right through them.
So it should be a good watch for me

rocksteady36

Torakx wrote: »

I agree in some respects.
Alot of what he is talking about i have no doubt resonates alot with how i think and feel on many topics.
I am just pointing out that despite all the good things people have said and done in the past,it has many times lead to much worse down the road seemingly by circumstance,where i have a feeling it may be more by design.
So forgive me if i wish to stay suspicious.
I will though check out the documentaries i havent seen already that you linked.
I dont know if ive seen the trap but i can imagine its something i will agree with.
Im the guy for example that goes into tescos and refuses to be pushed onto the self service machines because i believe it will eventually lead to more unemployment.
I believe there are alot of traps set for modern society and most people obliviously walk right through them.
So it should be a good watch for me

You will like this guy Goldsmith then, a lot of what he is saying is about the loss of jobs through globalism and free trade, he said that back in 1994, before it manifested in western society.

He was explaining about how companies like NIKE will move their operations to low cost countries and unemployment will soar.. So your tesco analogy is the type of thing he talk about, but he does not talk about technology replacing workers, but his main point is that the economy should serve a social purpose where people prosper..He says that these global companies have no allegiance to a country and so social issues are ignored..

Read the book, its very short, its more like an interview. Its value lies in the fact that he said these things before they became a reality...Great guy in my opinion.

I just posted it here ecause I think its a mistake to get caught up in anti semitic nonsense, as every race, and religion has elements of corruption. Looking at the Catholic church in Ireland and the Cloyne Report is evidence. Not saying everyone who believes the rothschilds are out to rule the world are anti semitic, but lots of clowns believe its a jewish conspiracy. Even a large section of the Israelis are disgusted with the elites policies towards palistinains in Israel, they are even trying to boycott the settlements..

It is right to be sceptical but believing everything that teh likes of Alex Jones throws out is just stupid...

Torakx

Yeah, i kind of take everything with a pinch of salt these days.
I can see how it may be so the Rothchilds and co are creating a global monopoly,but i dont hold to all the theories like the zionist agenda.
Although there is alot to be said for such theories,its still just a possibility lol
Il try to buy the book or rent it from the library,reading off the monitor is killer on my eyes.

ed2hands

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't actually see how anyone can look at the facts that are available and conclude that it's unlikely that certain questionable practices may be involved in how things are done on a metaphysical level between states and private wealth-holders. History repeats itself all of the time, and a recurring theme is greed and self-preservation.

Damn straight!

We live in a gilded cage.

ed2hands

rocksteady36 wrote: »

Thats just a closed minded response, you guys are conspiracy theorists and your minds are meant to be open, but you can't just write everyone off and everything as a conspiracy, thats just closed minded...

Good links and all there rocksteady, but there's no point in throwing out that BS "you guys are all conspiracy theorists" line. It's just weak for so many reasons to me, not least coz it sort of insults people. Except when used in jest; then it's ok;)

To quote G Edward Griffin:
"In modern context, it is customary to associate the phrase “conspiracy theory” with those who are intellectually handicapped or ill informed. Using emotionally loaded words and phrases to discredit the work of others is to be rejected. Very few major events of the past have occurred in the absence of conspiracies. To think that our modern age must be an exception is not rational. Facts are either true or false. If we disagree with a fact, our job is to explain why, not to use emotionally-loaded labels to discredit those who disagree with us."

It would be more appropriate sometimes if the term conspiracy theorist in some threads was sometimes replaced with something like....those who strongly suspect that an elite cabal is undertaking or has already undertaken a transfer of wealth and power for it's own gain.

Brown Bomber

rocksteady36 wrote: »

He was a decent man,

haha. James Goldsmith, asset-stripping, corporate raider extraordinaire, James Goldsmith destroyer of countless lives a decent man? Don't make me laugh!

ed2hands

Brown Bomber wrote: »

haha. James Goldsmith, asset-stripping, corporate raider extraordinaire, James Goldsmith destroyer of countless lives a decent man? Don't make me laugh!

:pac:

That was a giggle.

Brown Bomber

rocksteady36 wrote: »

Even a large section of the Israelis are disgusted with the elites policies towards palistinains in Israel,

Surely you mean the Palestinians in Palestine and the refugess or the Israelis of Palestinian descent that are citizens of Israel?

rocksteady36 wrote: »

they are even trying to boycott the settlements..

I'm sorry, but what does that even mean?

Brown Bomber

ed2hands wrote: »

:pac:

That was a giggle.

Goldsmith and his ilk are all parasitic vermin. That chap was talking like he is ST Goldsmith nevermind Sir. The billionaire who cares

The Goldsmith affair

In 1986 The Goodyear Rubber & Tire Company was a victim of a Greenmail attack. British financier James Goldsmith in conjunction with the investment group Hanson purchased 11% of Goodyear stock. They threatened to take the company over unless Goodyear bought back the shares at a highly inflated price.


The following year Goodyear retaliated with a massive restructuring. The company sold subsidiaries, closed plants, and tried to damage itself financially to make it an unsuitable takeover target. The plan worked but Goldsmith reportedly still walked away with $90 million for his efforts.

Regular, hard-working folk in a well run and succesful company put out of jobs by our hero.

Darlughda

Nodin wrote: »

Its anti-semetic shite.

MrMatisse wrote: »

Anti semitic rubbish.

Stupid, stupid statements. We are now in a world where it is okay to criticize any religion, except judaism. This is just wrong.

However, that video does not go anywhere near critisizing the religion of judaism. Why on earth do people make the conclusion it is anti-semetic?

No religion is without its dark side. Just look at catholicism in our country, jayzus where do ya begin? Let alone the more draconian side of islamic culture?

This video brings up questions. Frightening questions. Assuming it is just attacks on a religion is a strawman argument, at best.

ed2hands

rocksteady36 wrote: »

He was a decent man,

That my friend is bull****.

Bull**** (also bullcrap, bullplop, bullbutter) is a common English expletive which may be shortened to the euphemism bull or the initialism B.S. In British English, "bollocks" is a comparable expletive, although bull**** is commonly used in British English.

"Bull", meaning nonsense, dates from the 17th century,[1] while the term "bull****" has been used as early as 1915 in American slang,[2] and came into popular usage only during World War II. The word "bull" itself may have derived from the Old French boul meaning "fraud, deceit" (Oxford English Dictionary).[2] The term "horse****" is a near synonym. Worthy of note is the South African English equivalent "bull dust". Few corresponding terms exist in other languages, with the significant exception of German Bockmist, literally "billy-goat ****".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull****

rocksteady36

I got a good laff reading the replies, was wondering where all you guys were, was all too quiet lol

Here is another you tube of goldsmith, it is intertesting he supported the EU until he realised its 'real agenda' according to the guy who made this you tube..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maouTP8vTO0

I wish I was a corporate raider, these global multi nationals need a kick up the ass...There the parasites living off us..Why not take them fro 90 million, your missing his whole message. He is for capitalism but not at the expense of the people and society like the GATT started.

I can tell from the posts none of you even read or listened to the stuff posted, except one or two

Anyways if you lie your conspiracies then this guy will give you some food for thought...He actually predicted the derivatives market would cause serious harm..it is in the charlie rose interview.. He said that GATT and removing trade barriers would result in the poor of EU and US would essentially subsidise the elite in the developing countries cos they own everything in those poorer countries..sounds decent to me..

I jsut googled Alex Jones and James goldsmith, seems he is respected by Alex Jones legion of fans lol, I know you guys love Alex Jones lol




http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=198612.0

Quotes from prison planet...

"Astonishing Video: European Billionaire Sir James Goldsmith in 1994 thoroughly predicted the economic plight America and the world now suffers under as a result of NAFTA and GATT. He begged America not to approve the treaties, Al Gore whored for it and the congress voted for it anyways. Look no further, this is the reason our country and our economy is dying and why it will only continue to get worse.
Charlie Rose November 15 1994"


"OMG… Sir James Goldsmith was a British establishment member who was exposed to the establishment’s long term plans and had the guts and the soul to tell the public the truth, even testifying at the US Senate in attempt to stop the passage of Clinton’s GATT treaty in 1995. This is critical folks. This is when the cabal secured their Globalization plans, and it is still buried today by people like Peter Schiff and other so-called financial guru’s who somehow fail to leave the most critical part of recent economic history out of any discussion."



http://www.infowars.com/corporate-offshoring-has-ruined-income-and-employment-prospects-for-america/

" The other billionaire was the late Sir James Goldsmith, who made his fortune by correcting the mistakes of America’s incompetent corporate CEOs by taking over their companies and putting them to better use. Sir James spent his last years warning of the perils both of globalism and of merging the sovereignties of European countries and the UK into the EU.

Sir James’s book, The Trap, was published as long ago as 1993. His book, The Response, in which he replied to the “free trade” ideologues in the financial press and academia who denigrated his warning, was published in 1995. (For readers who wish to hear a speech given by Sir James to the U.S. Senate in 1994 warning of the perils of globalism, go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maou TP8vTO0, Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= 4PQrz8F0dBI&feature=related.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnu5OTZpqc0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9dGHuRExiM