rothschild will own Ireland

SEANoftheDEAD

noel1717 wrote: »

http://democraticright.blogspot.com/2010/12/anglo-irish-bank-owned-by-rothschild.html?spref=fb have a read son

That dosn't prove anything? on top of that, it was based on a Wikipedia article which as we all know, can't be gospel.

I wish people could come on here with statments and be able to back em up, rather than creating threads, posting randomly with youtube links etc that say/prove jack ****!

noel1717

coco1981 wrote: »

Thats weak!!!!

I pointed out 2 mistakes as i see them in the link you provided, am i wrong in what i said?? Do you believe that rothschild owns both the imf and anglo??

Rothschild invented the IMF and the US Federal Reserve anglo Irish is but peanuts to them, and was used in Irelands Downfall for refusing US Cargo to enter Air space en-route to Israel with Armaments.

You really need to open your mind and start seeing the truth

noel1717

utopianruins wrote: »

That dosn't prove anything? on top of that, it was based on a Wikipedia article which as we all know, can't be gospel.

I wish people could come on here with statments and be able to back em up, rather than creating threads, posting randomly with youtube links etc that say/prove jack ****!

The Idea is for you to open your mind we are here for one month then move on.
Stop Watching TV, stop believing run of the mill Journalism, You your father and his before him have been lied to, get rid of your arrogance and Open your eye,s.

noel1717

coco1981 wrote: »

Thats weak!!!!

I pointed out 2 mistakes as i see them in the link you provided, am i wrong in what i said?? Do you believe that rothschild owns both the imf and anglo??

You are an enabler, this is the term we use for somebody incapable of operating outside the system, they enable it, as for weak that is something you can aspire to.

noel1717

utopianruins wrote: »

That dosn't prove anything? on top of that, it was based on a Wikipedia article which as we all know, can't be gospel.

I wish people could come on here with statments and be able to back em up, rather than creating threads, posting randomly with youtube links etc that say/prove jack ****!

I did,nt realise you owned the Boards, being so self righteous you probably could resolve all Ireland,s if not the world,s problem,s such an incredulous little Enabler.

coco0981

noel1717 wrote: »

Rothschild invented the IMF and the US Federal Reserve

Where is your source for this???

colm1234

who cares where he sourced it from coco its a shame you dont question what you see on tv as much

coco0981

noel1717 wrote: »

Stop Watching TV, stop believing run of the mill Journalism.

So instead of taking our news from international news outlets we are meant to be listening to every anti capitalist keyboard warrior with a blog for the "truth". Like the fella in the link you provided in post no 114. Some guy in the blogospere, that article has obvious factual errors to anyone who will look at it objectively. i mean seriously is that where you get your "news" from????:eek::eek:

coco0981

colm1234 wrote: »

who cares where he sourced it from coco its a shame you dont question what you see on tv as much

:rolleyes:

colm1234

coco its obvious that you dont want to believe anything other than what you are told in the papers you are a well trained pawn,I believe that just as frustrating as it is to try to open they eyes of others, it is as frustrating for them in knowing that there isn't much they can do about a "corrupt" government even if they do believe/accept or know it. They don't have the time, the energy, the resources to make the necessary changes is what they think. Not understanding that knowledge equals power and change can only be affected through a mass movement.

SEANoftheDEAD

noel1717 wrote: »

The Idea is for you to open your mind we are here for one month then move on.
Stop Watching TV, stop believing run of the mill Journalism, You your father and his before him have been lied to, get rid of your arrogance and Open your eye,s.

i think you should close your eyes mate...

Mahatma coat

Who Owns the B.I.S???
the central bank of central Banks, the people who ultimatley control the Flow and Value of money.

I'm having a little difficulty finding anything Mainstream that answers tat in anything but the most vague its an international agreement.

however most of the Blog sites suggest its another Rothschield front.

which would make sense.

namloc1980

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Who Owns the B.I.S???
the central bank of central Banks, the people who ultimatley control the Flow and Value of money.

I'm having a little difficulty finding anything Mainstream that answers tat in anything but the most vague its an international agreement.

however most of the Blog sites suggest its another Rothschield front.

which would make sense.

Blogs.....bastions of facts and unbias analysis.

Mahatma coat

well at least there is analysis, I'm not seein anything of the sort from the links you provided.

How abnout this tho, instead of attackin the source how about you discuss the content, if as you seem to believe there is nothing untoward going on here then it shouldnt take long to assert your position.

Yitzhak Rabin

Colm and Noel, less of the personal jibes.

Let me draw everyones attention to this part of the CT forum charter:

Please don't use sweeping generalisations which indirectly attack or belittle other posters here. Posts which are insulting to those who believe conspiracies / the mainstream, for example, may be considered to be insulting to other posters, and as such will not be tolerated.

colm1234

yekahs wrote: »

Colm and Noel, less of the personal jibes.

Let me draw everyones attention to this part of the CT forum charter:

Please don't use sweeping generalisations which indirectly attack or belittle other posters here. Posts which are insulting to those who believe conspiracies / the mainstream, for example, may be considered to be insulting to other posters, and as such will not be tolerated.

I think if you look through this thread you will see we are not the only ones dishing out personal jibes I think you will find everyone has dished out their fair share. what you really mean is im a mod I dont agree with what you are saying, I can ban you so do as I say ................now its time for my 3 day break, peace out everyone :cool:

Yitzhak Rabin

colm1234 wrote: »

I think if you look through this thread you will see we are not the only ones dishing out personal jibes I think you will find everyone has dished out their fair share. what you really mean is im a mod I dont agree with what you are saying, I can ban you so do as I say ................now its time for my 3 day break, peace out everyone :cool:

I couldn't care less what your opinion is on this topic. I just had a quick glance over the last two pages, and yourself and noel were the two who I had noticed giving the whole 'you are a sheep' spiel. Also you may notice I pointed out that the warning was for everyone as I'm well aware that there are two sides to everything. See you in three days.

CiaranMT

Must be having a slow day - got all the way to page 6 before I realised this was another case of new year, new CTers knowing the world and attempting to put us all right.. :pac:

Faith+1

CiaranMT wrote: »

Must be having a slow day - got all the way to page 6 before I realised this was another case of new year, new CTers knowing the world and attempting to put us all right.. :pac:

Lol

Mr. Loverman

colm1234 wrote: »

not at all, its your god given right to make up your own mind, but rather than believing everything you are told why not just open your mind, maybe look in to it a bit more. or is it you are scared to accept anything else other than what the media tells you because that is your comfort zone

I question everything and always try to see if the person saying x has a vested interest in saying x, but it seems a bit simple to say someone believes whatever they are told just because they can see how silly/immature it is to think the Rothschilds own Ireland or that there is some sort of global conspiracy to control Ireland.

The reality is most people are stupid, and those in power are often stupider than most. Yes they may be a bit corrupt and want to make as much money as possible, but nearly every person is like that.

Let me ask you this: what would be so bad about the Rothschilds owning Ireland? Surely they can't be much worse than FF?

noel1717

Time to move on I think, Irish world renowned Ignorance in action, Believe your media, Papers, TV, Radio, etc, and of course your Honest Politicians, you are worth each other, in the mean time we will sit back and laugh while Rothschild,s IMF rape,s Ireland of every asset she has Just like Argentina, the know it all,s on this Board will soon find themselves eating out of the bin,s, not so smart then eh boy,s.

SEANoftheDEAD

noel1717 wrote: »

Time to move on I think, Irish world renowned Ignorance in action, Believe your media, Papers, TV, Radio, etc, and of course your Honest Politicians, you are worth each other, in the mean time we will sit back and laugh while Rothschild,s IMF rape,s Ireland of every asset she has Just like Argentina, the know it all,s on this Board will soon find themselves eating out of the bin,s, not so smart then eh boy,s.

Really? and lets say these events do happen... how will you avoid eating from bins? You obviously have the forsight and know it all, so why are ye still here?

Mr. Loverman

noel1717 wrote: »

Time to move on I think, Irish world renowned Ignorance in action, Believe your media, Papers, TV, Radio, etc, and of course your Honest Politicians, you are worth each other, in the mean time we will sit back and laugh while Rothschild,s IMF rape,s Ireland of every asset she has Just like Argentina, the know it all,s on this Board will soon find themselves eating out of the bin,s, not so smart then eh boy,s.

I don't know anyone who believes what the media and government say.

Not sure if you really believe what you are saying.

My name is URL

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

Let me ask you this: what would be so bad about the Rothschilds owning Ireland? Surely they can't be much worse than FF?

Are you for real? What would be so bad about a private entity owning a country? I'm pretty sure FF never owned us, they were elected to run the place and did it badly. I'd love to think you were joking with the above statement but I've seen that same attitude from many people recently, that we'd be better off with zero control over how our country is managed.. and it's pathetic

Torakx

Would we all agree the irish government has been for the most part hijacked by selfish politicians and business men looking to take advantage while they have control to make money and power?

If we all agree on that which i would think so.Then lets all hug and make friends
We can then discuss a bit more in detail as to how exactly the Rothchilds are/arent involved with the IMF and Ireland and i might add Greece to that list too,maybe portugal next for the big hit as ive been hearing rumours.

As a side question anyone happen to remember if there was a bilderberg meeting in portugal in the last 5 years?
Thats about the same timeframe i noticed for the greece collapse/riots.
Ireland had theirs not long ago i think, so im predicting a substantial riot/depression around 2014-2015

joebucks

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/the-rothschild-story-a-golden-era-ends-for-a-secretive-dynasty-756388.html

The Rothschild story: A golden era ends for a secretive dynasty
This week NM Rothschild & Sons pulled out of trading in gold, the commodity that made their name in banking

By Paul Vallely
Friday, 16 April 2004

The news that the bankers Rothschild are to withdraw from the gold market, in which they have been a major player for two centuries, has been hailed as the end of an era.

The news that the bankers Rothschild are to withdraw from the gold market, in which they have been a major player for two centuries, has been hailed as the end of an era.

In one sense, of course, it is. This was the company that smuggled gold coins across the English Channel to finance the Duke of Wellington's advance through France to his final triumph at Waterloo over Napoleon (who, it turned out, had also borrowed money from the Rothschilds).

But in another way it marks out the continuation of an even older tradition - the ability of the family which has founded one of the world's largest private banking dynasties to sustain their secretive fortune, which industry insiders count not in billions but in trillions, and keep it within the family.

Secrecy has been a hallmark of the Rothschilds from the outset. Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the son of an itinerant money lender and goldsmith who settled in the Jewish ghetto in Frankfurt-am-Main in 1744, specialised not just in clever accounting practices but also kept secret books and subterranean vaults which he ensured were never the privy of auditor, lawyer or taxman.

As the paterfamilias became more successful he despatched four of his five sons to different European capitals to take advantage of the rise of capitalism and the growth of international trade. Nathan he sent to London, James to Paris, Saloman to Vienna, and Carl to Naples, keeping the eldest, Amschel, at home with him in Prussia. Of these the two most important proved to be London and Paris, where the two main branches of the family developed a friendly rivalry, with the English branch developing the edge in business and the French in philanthropy, the arts and winemaking. But then in 1996 Amschel Rothschild, a 41-year-old man who had lived in the flamboyant style of many of his ancestors, hanged himself in a Paris hotel room. He was the Rothschild who had been groomed to take over as head of the English arm of the dynasty.

So when the bank's chairman Sir Evelyn de Rothschild retired earlier this year the succession passed to the French side of the family. Baron David de Rothschild, who had been running the family's Paris-based bank, inherited.

None of the Rothschild enterprises have been banks in the sense as understood by the man or woman in the street. What Mayer Rothschild founded in the 1760s was a business which grew from the humble beginning of selling rare coins to becoming the prime moneylender to greedy and spendthrift governments across Europe. One German contemporary quipped that Mayer was "the pride of Israel ... before whose money box kings and emperors humbly bow". And the novelist Thackeray said of Nathan that he was "not king of the Jews, but the Jew of the kings". The brothers financed both sides in the Napoleonic wars and in the Austro-Prussian war too.

It has long been supposed that Nathan increased the family fortune 20-fold by speculating on the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo in 1815. The Rothschilds had a network of agents throughout Europe who, using fast boats, coded letters and carrier pigeons, got information to the family ahead of official sources. Victor Rothschild, third baron and former chairman of the London bank, N M Rothschild, always maintained that Nathan had made a killing by encouraging rumours that Wellington had lost when he knew he had won, though the historian Niall Ferguson in his magisterial history of the family recently disputed that.

Certainly, for all the family motto of Concordia, Integritas, Industria (Unity, Integrity, Industry), Nathan's ability to depress stock prices by using the network of agents to spread rumours, true or false, and then buy the stock up after people panicked, was legendary.

More significant, however, was that in the process the Rothschilds created the world of banking as we know it today. Nathan operated principally as an underwriter and speculator in the early 19th-century bond market. He and his brothers invented, or at any rate popularised, the government bond, which allowed investors, big and small, to buy bits of the debts of sovereign states by purchasing fixed-interest bearer bonds.

Governments liked this because they could use them to raise colossal sums of money. Investors liked them because they could be traded - at prices that fluctuated in relation to the performance of the issuing government - and shrewd investors could make big sums. It brought investment in railways, the industrial revolution and ventures like the Suez Canal. The Rothschilds got a cut of everything.

It was a new kind of power. "I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply," Nathan said. The family developed a lack of awe for the powerful and important. A pompous aristocrat one day called on Nathan who was head down at his desk. Without looking up, the banker said: "Take a chair." His caller, affronted, said: "You are speaking to the Prince of Thurn and Taxis." To which Rothschild replied: "Take two chairs." At one point he even rescued the Bank of England after a run on gold caused the collapse of 145 banks. In 1885 he was given the hereditary title of Baron Rothschild.

Many of the distinct characteristics of the family can be traced back to the will of the founder Mayer Rothschild. It stipulated that no public inventory should be made of his estate; that key positions in the House of Rothschild were to be held by family members; that the eldest son should inherit unless the rest agreed otherwise; that the family was to intermarry with first and second cousins to keep the fortune together; that anyone disputing these terms would be struck from the will. And that all this should apply in perpetuity.

In part this was about preserving not just their Jewish identity but a self-conscious position as role models for their poorer co-religionists. The Rothschilds expended much effort and money pressing for Jewish emancipation and equality across the continent.

Their Jewish solidarity was not heterogeneous. In 1938 Nathan's great-great-grandson, Victor, shocked an audience by saying that in spite of "the slow murder of 600,000 people" on the continent "we probably all agree that there is something unsatisfactory in refugees encroaching on the privacy of our country, even for relatively short periods of time." And the family split over the question of the dream of a Jewish homeland, with some members supporting the first Zionist settlement in Palestine and the Balfour declaration and others opposing it on the grounds that it would encourage anti-Semites to question the existing national identities of assimilated Jews around the rest of the world. None of which has allayed the wild fears of anti-Semites who throughout the 20th century branded the Rothschilds as part of a Jewish plot to take over the world.

The world has changed around the Rothschilds. At one point Nathan Rothschild was the richest man in Britain and probably in the world. In today's terms he was wealthier than Bill Gates. But they never gained the foothold in America they needed. The world became corporate. Private banking got left behind.

Still, the family has moved down only from fabulously rich to enormously wealthy. And they adjusted to the times. They made billions in the 1980s from Margaret Thatcher's privatisations of state-owned industries on which they advised. In France after their bank was nationalised by the Socialist president Francois Mitterrand they slowly built a new business which, under Baron David de Rothschild, has risen to the top ranks of the merger and acquisition league tables. They have pulled out of retail fund management - into which they went with much fanfare only three years back - and now they are pulling out of oil and gold in favour of the higher-margin areas of private banking and wealth management.

Do not spend too many tears. In 1997 the family's Swiss holding company increased its profits by 66 per cent. The firm is not called Rothschild Continuation for nothing.

Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1743-1812), Founder of the family business

Mayer, orphaned at the age of 12, was forced to make his own living with the help of the good name of his father in Frankfurt. He carved out a self-taught career as a dealer in coins and medals, branching out into state loans and trade in general commodities. He established the family name by placing a Roman eagle on a red shield (Rothschild in German) over the door of his counting house.

Mayer established one of the Rothschild firm's principles: to settle for less profit to ensure long-term business ties. A brisk market in English textiles prompted him to send one of five sons, Nathan, to England.

Jacob, 4th Baron Rothschild (b. 1936), Head of the English side of the family

Chairman of NM Rothschild before resigning in 1980 to run Rothschild Investment Trust. He chaired the National Heritage Memorial Fund, handing out £1.2bn of lottery grants. He restored Waddesdon Manor, right, the family pile, and chairs Yad Hanadiv, the family foundation in Israel, which donated the Knesset and Supreme Court to the state

David de Rothschild (b. 1942), Head of the French family

The head of the French family, David de Rothschild has escaped two catastrophes in France: he was born in New York after the Luftwaffe seized the family home in Paris and his mother fled from Nazi Europe; and, in 1981, President Mitterrand nationalised the French financial empire, Banque Rothschild. David and his cousins started afresh with PO Gestion, renamed PO Banque and thenRothschild & Cie Banque.

Seven Generations and two Centuries of Banking

1760s The orphaned Mayer Amschel Rothschild starts a coins and medals business in Frankfurt

1789 Mayer appointed an agent to William IX of Hanau

1798 Mayer's son Nathan leaves Frankfurt to become a textile and general merchant in Manchester

1812 Nathan's brother James establishes a banking house in Paris

1815 The English branch of the Rothschilds supply gold to the Duke of Wellington's campaign at Waterloo

1820 Nathan's brother settles in Vienna; his brother Carl starts a business in Naples

1836 Nathan dies

1840 NM Rothschild and Sons becomes one of the Bank of England's bullion brokers

1850s Great houses are built. Bordeaux vineyards of Mouton and Lafite are acquired

1875 Lionel de Rothschild raises finance for British stake in the Suez Canal

1887 Rothschilds funds the creation of the diamond dealers De Beers

1901 With no male heirs, the Frankfurt dynasty comes to an end

1919 NM Rothschild & Sons chair new daily fixing of the gold price

1926 The company finances the spread of the London Underground

1929 Beginning of difficult years for family. Wall Street crash; rise of Nazi Europe

1960s Rothschilds look to US; start of Rothschild Inc

1981 France nationalises the highly successful Paris House but the family refuses defeat and starts new business.

1985 Rothschilds advises on British Gas privatisation

2004 An international banking dynasty, Rothschild have 40 countries worldwide

I presume the bit in bold is a typo and meant to mean that Rothschild have offices in 40 countries worldwide??

Mr. Loverman

My name is URL wrote: »

Are you for real? What would be so bad about a private entity owning a country? I'm pretty sure FF never owned us, they were elected to run the place and did it badly. I'd love to think you were joking with the above statement but I've seen that same attitude from many people recently, that we'd be better off with zero control over how our country is managed.. and it's pathetic

I was assuming owning was just a figure of speech.

Obviously the Rothschilds are not going to own Ireland like the way you own your trousers.

Torakx

Ye its more like the way the government own your house, land ,car(and kids^^) but you hold the bond

loldog

joebucks wrote: »

I presume the bit in bold is a typo and meant to mean that Rothschild have offices in 40 countries worldwide??

LOL. No.
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shedweller

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

I was assuming owning was just a figure of speech.

Obviously the Rothschilds are not going to own Ireland like the way you own your trousers.

Correct, it is a figure of speech. What it really means is that we are giving them a load of money to pay back their gamble that lost. Great thing they have going on there.
A few years ago we bitched amd moaned about how much the port tunnel cost.
Small change compared to what we are rather quietly paying for nothing tangible now. :mad: