would you allow 5yr old son dress as girl?

personally, there is no way in hell I would indulge the little boy. The parents are now parading the young fella around the talk show circuit.
he is now known as the Little Princess Boy. WTF??



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KiFRAX1v9I&feature=player_embedded#!

Biggins

He's only five for gods sake!

He's healthy, he's happy and he's having fun.
Gee, one could have bigger worries with kids that age.
Take a trip to Crumlin Hospital in Dublin and see more serious concerns about five years olds!

Duggy747

My parents did that to me and I grew up to be perfectly normal.


*fixes bra*

plenty of girls dressing as boys

biko

Yes but I wouldn't show him off like some freak.

XxMCRxBabyxX

The poor thing looks petrified!

bonerm

Haven't clicked the link but does he generally look like he's going to grow up to be a fruit regardless?

TheZohanS

A kick up the hole is what he needs.

Biggins

Biggins wrote: »

O' get over it - he's only five for gods sake!

He's healthy, he's happy and he's having fun.
Gee, one could have bigger worries with kids that age.
Take a trip to Crumlin Hospital in Dublin and see more serious concerns about five years olds!

I know that Biggins, you are not the only one to have ever crossed the doors of CCH.

Im just saying personally, I wouldnt allow it. I know hes having fun, I have no problem with that,have no problem with the way hes dressing, I know kids dress up, Ive raised two myself. the problem I have Biggins is the parents encouraging it, and then parading the child around the talk show circuit.

I think the child is being set up for serious issues later in life.

phill106

I wouldn't.

Think (hope) its a faze, all kids seem to like wearing their mothers shoes but that seems a bit much.

JerryHandbag

Girls will be boys and boys will be girls,
It's a mixed up muddled up shook up world

TheZohan

TheZohan wrote: »

A kick up the hole is what he needs.

I think the parents could use the kick up the hole.

Gummy Panda

So did her son sell many books for her?

Tomebagel

IN B4 thread turns into trannys.

Kimono-Girl

my 1 and a half year old daughter wears jeans and rugby jersey's as well as her girly clothes, she plays with rugby balls, Lego, and cars alongside her more girly toys, is that wrong?

Biggins

Jake1 wrote: »

I know that Biggins, you are not the only one to have ever crossed the doors of CCH.

Im just saying personally, I wouldnt allow it. I know hes having fun, I have no problem with that,have no problem with the way hes dressing, I know kids dress up, Ive raised two myself. the problem I have Biggins is the parents encouraging it, and then parading the child around the talk show circuit.

I think the child is being set up for serious issues later in life.

What a kid does in play and what he/she wants changes monthly, if not weekly so in all honesty if he/she is left to their own devices and nothing is said or a fuss is not made out of an issue, they quickly move on to the next thing that catches their interest.

Whoever uploaded the video was just stupid. They made the matter an issue and possibly because a child might see that "O' I get extra attention because of this" the said child would then stick with the un-preferred mode of behaviour.

Its best at that age to leave them to their own devices and let them move on shortly thereafter, if thats what they chose.

Procasinator

Kimono-Girl wrote: »

my 1 and a half year old daughter wears jeans and rugby jersey's as well as her girly clothes, she plays with rugby balls, Lego, and cars alongside her more girly toys, is that wrong?

Jeans, rugby jersey and Lego are not reserved for boys in most people minds.

A boy dressing skirts and dress and playing with Barbies tends to get people concerned.

Kimono-Girl

Kimono-Girl wrote: »

my daughter wears jeans and rugby jersey's as well as her girly clothes, she plays with rugby balls, Lego, and cars alongside her more girly toys, is that wrong?

Of course its not, I think you are missing the point. Do you parade her around TV as being different for wearing such attire? I doubt it.
These parents ARE saying hey we have a little boy who we like to encourage to wear whats broadly to be considered female attire, and we like to bring him on national tv and write books about it.

Thats my problem. Ive already said Ive raised two children myself. But no way in hell would I have let my son as a 5 year old boy decide for himself that he wanted to dress as a woman, when as an adult I would be fully expected to realise the problems he could incur later in life as a result of my bringing him on National Television. There is a difference I thought.
I have no probs men dressing as women or women dressing as men. People can do what they want when they are old enough to understand the consequences. Im sure that little guy has no idea the 'fun and games' he is in for when he starts secondary school, and the you tube video will be his nemesis.

silverspoon

I would let my son dress up if he wanted, being a kid is all about learning different things and to say to your boy 'you can't try a skirt on' when his sister is happily running around in jeans, without any explanation of why, is silly. Kids don't know why a boy wearing a dress is weird, and we as adults only think it's weird because we think it's weird - there's no solid reason for it apart from gender stereotyping that has been established in our minds as kids.

I do heartily disagree with the mother parading the child around the talk show circuit, and cashing in on something that may really be just a phase. Lots of little kids go through odd stages in growing up; this little boy should be let enjoy himself wearing dresses if he wants, but it's horrible of the mother to get public attention on him for her financial gain. Unless she thinks its some sort of moral crusade?

Biggins

Biggins wrote: »

What a kid does in play and what he/she wants changes monthly, if not weekly so in all honesty if he/she is left to their own devices and nothing is said or a fuss is not made out of an issue, they quickly move on to the next thing that catches their interest.

Whoever uploaded the video was just stupid. They made the matter an issue and possibly because a child might see that "O' I get extra attention because of this" the said child would then stick with the un-preferred mode of behaviour.

Its best at that age to leave them to their own devices and let them move on shortly thereafter, if thats what they chose.

I agree with you on this for sure. But see, in this case, they indulged him, they didnt leave him to his own devices. They BUY him pink sparkly clothes to wear in Public.

We'll most likely not agree on this, but I'll just say again, I personally would not have done this with my child.

Biggins it was a video uploaded, the kid was on NATIONAL Television.

bonerm

A poll would be interesting. "Mother + (y or n), Father + (y or n)"

amacca

Kid likes wearing dresses and the colours pink and red....at that age I liked guns, cars and getting dirty- not much has changed.

So hes probably a cross dresser...big woop.

parents publicise the fact before hes in a position to decide for himself if he wants this to be public knowledge for more than likely commercial reasons - possibly irresponsible parenting methinks

Hope they teach him how to blend in if he ends up getting educated/living life in certain environments or else teach him how to stand up for himself effectively.

If it was none of his Idea and they put him up to it, then they should be shot.

Are you with me on this Mussolini?

Biggins

I've four kids.
One boy (4+) jumps in and out of his sisters dresses faster than I can cook his dinners daily.
* Does he look worried? Nope.
* Does he look like he's turning gay because of it (let be honest, this is possibly an underlying issue for some)?
Nope, he looks like he's having fun.
* Does it look like its having any detrimental effect upon him. Not a bit.

This worrying about how a five year old dresses does expose however other issues that lie within folk that might have their own attitudes to life choices of others unresolved!

I certainly would not have made the matter a public issue, by the video, etc...
After that, I would while the kid was at home, give him some free rein to let him grow and if he chose to, move on...

Jake1

Jake1 wrote: »

Biggins it was a video uploaded, the kid was on NATIONAL Television.

Why the "national" emphasis? And surely it's international by now?

so we could ALL be in agreement then? we have no problems with the boy dressing that way, just a problem with how the parents handled it.

That was my problem , not the child. My son is 25, wears eyeliner and black nail polish. Looks great in it too. hes in a band tho,

Remmy

I didnt watch he whole vid so if I missed something call me on it.But just by looking at the first few minutes it doesnt look like the kid has any strong male role models to look up to.It also screams 'only child' to me.But so what if he wears dresses and what-like .It's likely just a phase he is going through.You can't judge a child on who he is going to become by what interests and mannerisms he has as a very young kid.I'd be much more worried about whether or not he was courtous and respectfull to his parents and peers and what values he is taught over whether he has different tastes and mannerism than the norm at his age.

Biggins

Jake1 wrote: »

so we could ALL be in agreement then? we have no problems with the boy dressing that way, just a problem with how the parents handled it.

Exactly.

NothingMan

I'd like to comment but when I was 16 I was having a party and my sis took down my photo album and there was a picture of me in a dress doing the I'm a little teapop pose. I was quite shocked, but hey, I turned out a perfectly normal manly man.

*prances away merrily*.

starbelgrade

It's amazing the hang-ups that people still harbour these days.

It's 2011, not 1911... you think we would have gone past the stage of being sexuality retards at this stage.

Kimono-Girl

Procasinator wrote: »

Jeans, rugby jersey and Lego are not reserved for boys in most people minds.

A boy dressing skirts and dress and playing with Barbies tends to get people concerned.

but why?if its no big deal for girls to wear items that were traditionally male attire then why is it such an issue for boys to wear clothes that were traditionally female attire?

Jake1 wrote: »

Of course its not, I think you are missing the point. Do you parade her around TV as being different for wearing such attire? I doubt it.
These parents ARE saying hey we have a little boy who we like to encourage to wear whats broadly to be considered female attire, and we like to bring him on national tv and write books about it.

Thats my problem. Ive already said Ive raised two children myself. But no way in hell would I have let my son as a 5 year old boy decide for himself that he wanted to dress as a woman, when as an adult I would be fully expected to realise the problems he could incur later in life as a result of my bringing him on National Television. There is a difference I thought.
I have no probs men dressing as women or women dressing as men. People can do what they want when they are old enough to understand the consequences. Im sure that little guy has no idea the 'fun and games' he is in for when he starts secondary school, and the you tube video will be his nemesis.

apologies i may have mis-understood your problem, i also completely disagree with the way his parents have handled this, they have made a non-issue into a major issue/publicity stunt, that will probably come back to haunt him later in life!

they should just accept he does things different to what they expected and maybe he will grow out of it and maybe he won't but at least they should learn the difference between giving a child what they want and supporting them...

starbelgrade

starbelgrade wrote: »

It's amazing the hang-ups that people still harbour these days.

It's 2011, not 1911... you think we would have gone past the stage of being sexuality retards at this stage.

You missed the whole point there didnt you?:rolleyes:

TheZohanS

Jake1 wrote: »

so we could ALL be in agreement then? we have no problems with the boy dressing that way, just a problem with how the parents handled it.

Nope, they all need a kick up the hole.

ejmaztec

The parents are complete knobs. When the kid is old enough to realise this, he'll spend the rest of his life as a chronic face-palmer.

It's one thing when parents get out the old photos, to embarass you in front of your new girlfriend, but this sh1t is about ten million times worse than that.

He'll be in the news again in a few years, in cuffs and wearing orange overalls, after hammering his parents to death with a Gucci hand-bag.

starbelgrade

Jake1 wrote: »

You missed the whole point there didnt you?:rolleyes:

No.

Connie_c28

Have any of you read about the Swedish child Pop and parents
http://www.thelocal.se/20232/20090623/

What would peoples opinion be on this?

Ludo

NothingMan wrote: »

I'd like to comment but when I was 16 I was having a party and my sis took down my photo album and there was a picture of me in a dress doing the I'm a little teapop pose. I was quite shocked, but hey, I turned out a perfectly normal manly man.

*prances away merrily*.

LOL....that must be a common enough thing. I also have a pic of my older brother as a young kid dressed in our grandmothers clothes and hat doing I'm a little teapot...apparently it was a regular occurrence. Didn't affect him in any way either.

Dr. Baltar

Agree with the sentiment in the thread.
No problem with the kid dressing as the opposite gender but parading him on TV can't be good for the kid in the future.


Also, the kid isn't going to "become" gay or "become" transgender.

starbelgrade

Dr. Baltar wrote: »

Also, the kid isn't going to "become" gay or "become" transgender.

He might.

fonecrusher1

I think its disgusting. The child is obviously going to end up like this geezer...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__0C108yIsIQ/S1-rMnllqRI/AAAAAAAAA5c/MnpTsd8zxrI/s400/little_britain3_400_400x300.jpg

Ludo

Ludo wrote: »

LOL....that must be a common enough thing. I also have a pic of my older brother as a young kid dressed in our grandmothers clothes and hat doing I'm a little teapot...apparently it was a regular occurrence. Didn't affect him in any way either.

Bet he makes good tea tho


Lol, I have loads of pics of my son dressed up as kid. he actually gets a laugh out of them now. Hes is very flamboyant tho, my yun'fula..

Connie_c28

Connie_c28 wrote: »

Have any of you read about the Swedish child Pop and parents
http://www.thelocal.se/20232/20090623/

What would peoples opinion be on this?

Christ, Im actually speechless over this one. jeez, let me take another read..
:eek:

Krusader

starbelgrade wrote: »

you think we would have gone past the stage of being sexuality retards at this stage.

I have no willy

starbelgrade

Crosáidí wrote: »

I have no willy

A lot of people don't.

up for anything

Kimono-Girl wrote: »

at least they should learn the difference between giving a child what they want and supporting them...

I'm not sure what you mean by this? Should he shoplift his dresses rather than his parents providing them for him?

For a period of about 500 years in most cultures boys wore dresses, petticoats and long hair up till the age of around seven when they were breached.

The custom of breeching boys

Also someone commented on the subject saying that they hadn't watched the entire video. Either watch the bloody thing and comment or don't comment because those comments don't make sense. :rolleyes:

Gummy Panda

Crosáidí wrote: »

I have no willy

some people have a willy and a fanny.

*remembers One Night in Chyna* :eek::eek::eek:

azezil

starbelgrade wrote: »

He might.

:rolleyes:

No, he won't.

silverspoon

Connie_c28 wrote: »

Have any of you read about the Swedish child Pop and parents
http://www.thelocal.se/20232/20090623/

What would peoples opinion be on this?

I read a similar story before about a woman doing the same with her five-year-old child and I think it's the biggest crock of sh!t ever - it's hideous to make a freak experiment of your child. It's difficult enough growing up and trying to figure yourself out - in terms of personality, sexuality, simple likes and dislikes - without your oar of a mother playing scientist. I don't really understand the benefit of it - eventually the truth will out and he/she will be responded to as either male/female by others, and how will he/she deal with that? Trying to figure out if men or women display 'male' or 'female' traits as a response to nature/nurture is a noble question and all, but I would never make a confusion of my kid's childhood to try and find the answer.

jackiebaron

Jake1 wrote: »

I know that Biggins, you are not the only one to have ever crossed the doors of CCH.

Im just saying personally, I wouldnt allow it. I know hes having fun, I have no problem with that,have no problem with the way hes dressing, I know kids dress up, Ive raised two myself. the problem I have Biggins is the parents encouraging it, and then parading the child around the talk show circuit.

I think the child is being set up for serious issues later in life.

Thing is.....does he go out to play with his mates dressed up as Barbie or bloody Tinkerbell? They'd slag the bollocks out of him or maybe even work the boot on him. Does he even have mates? I remember as a child ..say 3 or 4 my mother would put tights on me and my sister and then trousers on over them. The winters in London were like Siberia in the 70's. But my ma never encouraged me to wear a goddamn dress.
Sure this kid is having fun but something smacks of exploitation here. Reminds me of that TV show "Toddlers and Tiaras". It's fcuking grotesque. Little 5 and 6 year old girls being entered into beauty pageants with lipstick on and big hair, glamming it up for the camera in SWIMSUITS FFS!

These parents are just enabling this behaviour or else the whole thing is a hoax and they are just in it for the 15 minutes. Throw this kid a pair of runners, a pair of tatty jeans and a t-shirt and I'm sure he'd happily don them and go mucking about outside.

When my son was little, we lived around Ballybough Summerhill area. I cant even imagine the **** he would have got walking around the north inner city dressed as a little girl. The kids would have eaten him alive.

I cant see it would be any different today. probably why we dont see many little boys dressed as girls, despite some people thinking its an okay thing to do. If its so okay, why are not more parents doing so?
Ive yet to see any little boys in Ireland dressed publicy in standard female clothing.

Mind you, Lucan is a quiet little place...:)

jackiebaron

Kimono-Girl wrote: »

my 1 and a half year old daughter wears jeans and rugby jersey's as well as her girly clothes, she plays with rugby balls, Lego, and cars alongside her more girly toys, is that wrong?

You daughter's a damn lesbo!!!!

silverspoon

silverspoon wrote: »

I read a similar story before about a woman doing the same with her five-year-old child and I think it's the biggest crock of sh!t ever - it's hideous to make a freak experiment of your child. It's difficult enough growing up and trying to figure yourself out - in terms of personality, sexuality, simple likes and dislikes - without your oar of a mother playing scientist. I don't really understand the benefit of it - eventually the truth will out and he/she will be responded to as either male/female by others, and how will he/she deal with that? Trying to figure out if men or women display 'male' or 'female' traits as a response to nature/nurture is a noble question and all, but I would never make a confusion of my kid's childhood to try and find the answer.

I find that horrific. making your child the poster boy/girl for societal issues at 5-6 years of age.