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The Pub trade is dying - Minimum price for Alcohol?

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    #1232
    Capt'n Midnight
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    MoonDancer wrote: »
    What they need to do, is lower the fecking tax, hence cheaper drinks, so people buy more.
    tax is 23%

    excise duty on stuff below 2.8% was halved a few years ago.

    other that the 1994 excise rates apply for beers
    in real terms the excise duty has fallen by nearly half since then



    It's the same tax paid in a pub or in a supermarket, the only difference is that VAT is charged on the price so in a pub VAT is more than excise duty


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    #1233
    oppenheimer1
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    It looks like this is finally here. The vintners have won the war, is it any surprise though?
    www.rte.ie/news/2015/0203/677588-alcohol/


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    #1234
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,789 ✭✭✭SeanW


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    It looks like this is finally here. The vintners have won the war, is it any surprise though?
    www.rte.ie/news/2015/0203/677588-alcohol/
    More trips to Enniskillen for me, it seems ...


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    #1235
    Stovepipe
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    We have three pubs where I live; they are shabby, smell of smoke because they tolerate smoking inside and the toilets are Third-World.Clearly the VFI don't do quality control.In one, it's the local Chapter of Crimecall as clientele so I don't go there and the next uses local alleged musical talent for Sat night entertainment, that would outscream a cat so I avoid it on saturdays. the last, well, the staff are decent and you can actually converse, so It gets our custom.

    regards
    Stovepipe


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    #1236
    goose2005
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    ban below-cost selling of alcohol products by introducing a minimum pricing unit

    That's a curious segue. After all, the cost of producing alcohol itself is very low, so I'd imagine it would be possible to sell below the minimum and yet still make a profit.
    New rules on labelling will make it compulsory to include health warnings and advice, the amount of pure alcohol and calorie counts.

    Ah, good, so now the discerning alcoholic won't have to work it out in their head (Which is cheaper - 750ml of 13% wine for €5, or 4 x 500ml cans of 6% cider for €5.50?)


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    #1237
    Grayson
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    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    It looks like this is finally here. The vintners have won the war, is it any surprise though?
    www.rte.ie/news/2015/0203/677588-alcohol/

    That sucks so so much.


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    #1238
    mikom
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    Cannabis is still the same price.


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    #1239
    stimpson
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    Time to book a booze cruise to Cherbourg to stock up. 3c per litre duty on wine over there.


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    #1240
    jobbridge4life
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    mikom wrote: »
    Cannabis is still the same price.

    yeah a massive rip-off.


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    #1241
    frostypants
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    RTE News - "To tackle alcohol abuse"
    Yeah right!! Pure protectism for pubs. As if it will get all those people flocking back to the pub.


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    #1242
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    I think it is outrageous how blatantly discriminatory this measure is against those on lower incomes. Alcoholism among the rich is fine I guess.


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    #1243
    suicide_circus
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    taken directly from that rte article:
    Alcohol Action Ireland said the proposed bill would address the issue of alcohol abuse.

    ....what...?

    IT WILL DO NOTHING OF THE SORT


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilcRS5eUpwk


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    #1244
    kingtiger
    Registered Users Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭kingtiger


    Fcuking country is just a joke at this stage, public health me hole


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    #1245
    SEPT 23 1989
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    I don't like the sound of "far reaching measures" to tackle alcohol abuse


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    #1246
    TheDriver
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    is there a facebook page yet "No to minimum alcohol pricing"? Seems the Govt listens to large people anger when it suits them and an election is coming............


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    #1247
    Zebra3
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    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/drinks-giant-diageo-to-fund-latest-anti-drinking-campaign-1.2088777
    A national campaign against “out-of-control” drinking spearheaded by Barnardos chief executive Fergus Finlay is to be funded by drinks giant Diageo.

    You couldn't make this nonsense up.


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    #1248
    Richard Hillman
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    Does anybody actually sell below cost alcohol?


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    #1249
    shruikan2553
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Does anybody actually sell below cost alcohol?

    Everyone whos not a pub supposedly.


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    #1250
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Remember how we removed the groceries order and we all ended up with free food. Well this is the opposite so I'm predicting cans will cost a million euros


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    #1251
    Amirani
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    I think it is outrageous how blatantly discriminatory this measure is against those on lower incomes. Alcoholism among the rich is fine I guess.

    How do you make it more difficult for rich people to buy alcohol? Price is the only real mechanism Government can use really.


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    #1252
    Tin Foil Hat
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Does anybody actually sell below cost alcohol?

    I don't know, and it doesn't matter anyway. Pubs will never be able to compete with the off trade on price. They are a totally different product.


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    #1253
    Tin Foil Hat
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    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    How do you make it more difficult for rich people to buy alcohol? Price is the only real mechanism Government can use really.

    Price doesn't work. If it did we would hardly be buying any of the stuff. Contrary to what politicians and the media would have us believe, there is no such thing as cheap alcohol in this country.


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    #1254
    Bobeagleburger
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    Wetherspoons loving this. Perfect timing to expand in Ireland


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    #1255
    jack presley
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    Anyone know what this minimum price will be? 75c a unit, €1 a unit? There's no way it could be more than that could it?


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    #1256
    Henlars67
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    I think it is outrageous how blatantly discriminatory this measure is against those on lower incomes. Alcoholism among the rich is fine I guess.

    I'm on a low income, and I like a drink, but I'm delighted with the minimum price being introduced.

    I only drink in a pub, not at home like a weirdo.


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    #1257
    DeJa VooDoo
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    Henlars67 wrote: »

    I only drink in a pub, not at home like a weirdo.

    :confused::confused::confused:


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    #1258
    6541
    Registered Users Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭6541


    I think it is outrageous that this is being introduced. I hope the market is flooded with cheap booze from the north and Europe.


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    #1259
    Bobeagleburger
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    Tin Foil Hat wrote: »
    Price doesn't work. If it did we would hardly be buying any of the stuff. Contrary to what politicians and the media would have us believe, there is no such thing as cheap alcohol in this country.


    Of course price works.


    If people have a few extra quid that they spend on beer or wine and suddenly the price is trebled for example, without question consumption will fall.


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    #1260
    DeJa VooDoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭DeJa VooDoo


    6541 wrote: »
    I think it is outrageous that this is being introduced. I hope the market is flooded with cheap booze from the north and Europe.

    Irish governments always try to look after their publican buddies.....

    How many TD's own pubs or have family members who own pubs?


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    #1261
    Bobeagleburger
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    jack presley wrote: »
    Anyone know what this minimum price will be? 75c a unit, €1 a unit? There's no way it could be more than that could it?


    Northern Ireland are introducing the same time as us (for probably obvious reasons), and I seen 50p a unit mentioned up there.

    That would convert to about 70c.

    But of course the government would bang on a little extra. Maybe 75/80c a unit at a guess


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