greatest engine/engines ever built.

Mycroft H · 25-12-2010 5:30pm

Why aren't there any fiat FIRE engines on the list?

Or if we're going to call the VAG 1.9tdi engine great for being reliable, what about the Peugeot/Citroen XUD engine?

PaulKK · 25-12-2010 5:52pm

I voted for the VW 1.9 TDI and I am a BMW owner.

It gets slagged off a lot here, but people need to remember that this engine first appeared in 1993 in the Audi 80.

In fairness it changed the way people thought about diesel cars, it was very economical, and quick enough for most, and more or less bulletproof to boot.

You can slag it off all you want for its power delivery and being noisey, but there is a reason its been around for 17 years in one form or another in a whole range of cars, it is very very good.

M5 · 25-12-2010 5:57pm

s62 FTW! been lucky enough to drive one for a year and blown away every time I drove it!

Another contender the 3.0 diesel BMW. 200+ BHP in most variants combined with minute emissions and often 50+ MPG. They drive well too. By far the best diesel i have driven. I think it won engine of the year when released in the late 90's

bmw535d · 25-12-2010 6:22pm

M5 wrote: »

s62 FTW! been lucky enough to drive one for a year and blown away every time I drove it!

Another contender the 3.0 diesel BMW. 200+ BHP in most variants combined with minute emissions and often 50+ MPG. They drive well too. By far the best diesel i have driven. I think it won engine of the year when released in the late 90's

its one engine of the year about 4 times.

kazul · 25-12-2010 6:37pm

bmw535d wrote: »

the reason I have that on the list is, I challenge you to go outside and look up and down the street(if you live in an urban area) and honestly come back here and tell me there isn't at least 1 car that has the vag 1.9/2.0 tdi lump.there is a reason they are so common, its not that they are cheap either.

There's probably one or 2 people on my street who have an STD, they're pretty common these days. Doesn't mean that they're good or that I'd like one too.

bmw535d · 25-12-2010 6:57pm

kazul wrote: »

There's probably one or 2 people on my street who have an STD, they're pretty common these days. Doesn't mean that they're good or that I'd like one too.

irrelevant and off topic. go troll somewhere else.Im not the only one that thinks the vag lump is a brilliant engine, as the poll suggests.

benny_cakes · 25-12-2010 6:57pm

The Lampredi Fiat Twin Cam Should be on the list also.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Twin_Cam_engine

Its the most successful engine in the world rally championship winning 10 world championships, in normally aspirated, supercharged & turbo charged forms.

Its the 1st engine ever to be both turbo charged AND supercharged, way back in 1985 long before VW even thought of the idea. Lancia used this turbo/surpercharged version in their Delta S4 rally car and managed to get 480BHP out of it considering it was only 1.8 litres & it could accelerate from 0 to 60 in 2.3 seconds!

And it probably has been fitted to more brilliant cars that any other engine on the list!

johndaman66 · 25-12-2010 7:03pm

bmw535d wrote: »

the reason I have that on the list is, I challenge you to go outside and look up and down the street(if you live in an urban area) and honestly come back here and tell me there isn't at least 1 car that has the vag 1.9/2.0 tdi lump.there is a reason they are so common, its not that they are cheap either.

Granted there are a fair few of them about but as has being previously debated in the thread does that make them one of the greats? There are a lot of 1.3 litre corolla's knocking about too but it seems many here would not put them on the list...even though having owned one in my day and driven many other cars too in my day (1.9 tdi passat included) I'm inclined to think people dismiss them too readily.

Rereading your post again I absolutely fail to follow your logic. Certainly the fact that at least one neigbour is nearly bound to have one hardly automatically makes them one of the greats....sheeple mentality more than anything perhaps. Speaking of economical driving in this day and age 2.0 tdi lump????:eek:

Max_Damage · 25-12-2010 8:06pm

No American V8's?

Bollocks poll.

bmw535d · 25-12-2010 8:13pm

Max_Damage wrote: »

No American V8's?

Bollocks poll.

american v8's are generally laughed at by European and German engineers. low revving low compression ancient technology with the output of na diesel like performance cannot make it into the greatest engine poll.

kazul · 25-12-2010 8:35pm

bmw535d wrote: »

irrelevant and off topic. go troll somewhere else.Im not the only one that thinks the vag lump is a brilliant engine, as the poll suggests.

Not trolling, go backseat moderate somewhere else. I was trying to make the point that just because something is common, it's not necessarily good.
Why can't we just agree to disagree. The only I use derv power is on a Dublin Bus, I find it industrial/agricultural. Gimme a nice V shaped petrol lump any day.

To make it easier for you to understand, Gaelic Football (goes hand in hand with TDI engines too) is very popular in Ireland, doesn't make it the best game ever invented.

Max_Damage · 25-12-2010 8:39pm

bmw535d wrote: »

american v8's are generally laughed at by European and German engineers. low revving low compression ancient technology with the output of na diesel like performance cannot make it into the greatest engine poll.

Maybe so, but reliable as the engines aren't over stressed.

Sure the old Chevy Caprice's were known to go well over 300k miles with the original 5.7L engine. Hence why they were popular as taxi's.

It's not always about power you know.

mercedeslimos · 25-12-2010 8:54pm

none of the above!

a rolls-royce merlin V12 from a spitfire (will go in a car - just! - live to see one in a car with the 'charger still connected;) imagine what the torque must be!)

27,000cc's of pure muscle, unsilenced and spitting flames!

you'd get over the 0.3mpg just for the gorgeous noise!

Dutchie · 25-12-2010 8:54pm

Surely the BMW S70/2 that powered the Mc Laren F1 is the greatest engine ever built.
Producing 627 hp whilst weighing only 266 kg, it powered the fastest NATURALLY aspirated car ever.

bmw535d · 25-12-2010 8:56pm

Max_Damage wrote: »

Maybe so, but reliable as the engines aren't over stressed.

Sure the old Chevy Caprice's were known to go well over 300k miles with the original 5.7L engine. Hence why they were popular as taxi's.

It's not always about power you know.

guzzle amazing amounts of fuel produce very little power, last for ever, and you think its eligible for the greatest engine ever? they are ****e, apart from sounding brilliantly and lasting long they are ****e engines full stop.

bmw535d · 25-12-2010 9:00pm

RoverJames wrote: »

:pac:

Just did that for the craic, 30 odd cars about and a bastad TDi Passat across the road Still go back 15 years and Escorts/Orions were everywhere and they were complete and utter dirt. The reason the 1.9/2.0 Vag engines are common are because there in everything from a 1995 Golf to a 2010 A6

ya see;), the reason they are so common is "cos" they are a fricken great engine. look at the development it's went through in its life from the first little weedy rattly na to the 170bhp version in the passat. lets make it clear i don't even own a vw anymore. i drive a bavarian 3.0 6 cylinder monster, but i will defend the vag 1.9tdi lump as it is truly one of the best diesel engines ever built.

Max_Damage · 25-12-2010 9:10pm

bmw535d wrote: »

guzzle amazing amounts of fuel produce very little power, last for ever, and you think its eligible for the greatest engine ever? they are ****e, apart from sounding brilliantly and lasting long they are ****e engines full stop.

In that case, same can be said for the Mercedes 300D.

kazul · 25-12-2010 9:12pm

IMO the vast majority of people who buy TDIs in this country don't know jack about engines or cars, they just follow the "Volkswagen/Toyota are great cars" mantra like sheep.

Now, back to the Nissan V6s...:p

bmw535d · 25-12-2010 9:15pm

kazul wrote: »

IMO the vast majority of people who buy TDIs in this country don't know jack about engines or cars, they just follow the "Volkswagen/Toyota are great cars" mantra like sheep.

Now, back to the Nissan V6s...:p

ohh for the love of jesus stay on track, its not why people buy, or what you don't like(diesel) its a poll/thread about the greatest engines ever made, which is defently not a nissan v6 for jesus sake.

bmw535d · 25-12-2010 9:16pm

Max_Damage wrote: »

In that case, same can be said for the Mercedes 300D.

very true. is the Mercedes 300d engine on the poll????????

alias no.9 · 25-12-2010 9:33pm

I don't think there can be just one engine. The Alfa V6 for noise and beauty, it's a work of art. The Rover V8 for the shear variety of cars it powered, saloons, off roaders, sports cars, ambulances, paddy wagons, kit cars, etc... The Honda 1.6 vtec for showing the world what a low capacity 4 cylinder engine can be, reliable too. The VW 1.9tdi for the amount of delusion that can exist about an engine.

25-12-2010 9:46pm

bmw535d wrote: »

its a poll/thread about the greatest engines ever made, which is defently not a nissan v6 for jesus sake.

The Nissan V6 was an award winner iirc

alias no.9 wrote: »

The VW 1.9tdi for the amount of delusion that can exist about an engine.

meathstevie · 25-12-2010 9:55pm

mercedeslimos wrote: »

none of the above!

a rolls-royce merlin V12 from a spitfire (will go in a car - just! - live to see one in a car with the 'charger still connected;) imagine what the torque must be!)

27,000cc's of pure muscle, unsilenced and spitting flames!

you'd get over the 0.3mpg just for the gorgeous noise!

Used in planes ( Spitfire, Lancaster bomber etc etc ) boats and tanks and probably the odd concept car. A 20th century legend beyond a shadow of doubt.

Best automotive engines; not the exotic out of reach for mere mortals stuff; but real day to day engines; has to be the VW 1.9 TDI followed by the old VW 1.6 Diesel, a few million motorists worldwide can't be wrong. Reliable, easy on fuel and at least 250k miles in them when serviced properly.

25-12-2010 9:57pm

17 people have actually voted for the VAG engine :eek: 17 people actually think it is the greatest engine ever built, sweet Jesus, that takes the biscuit.............. wait 'till the DMFs fail :pac:

It's a diesel ffs, greatest engine ever built is a diesel. That's shocking from a so called motoring enthusiast forum, ye should be ashamed, whoever voted for that. Farmers on the way to mass !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plug · 25-12-2010 10:02pm

All diesels are crap imo, you get power for a second and then you have to change gear.

25-12-2010 10:03pm

Even eliminating the exotic stuff, surely the silky smooth 6 cylinder BMW engines from the 80s and 90s or the likes of the 2.2 Honda VTECs are more deserving than than the VAG diesel.

kazul · 25-12-2010 10:03pm

And the Nissan V6 is not an option on the (flawed) poll.
The people who voted for the TDI probably vote Fianna Fail.
Another example of most votes not equalling best.

The V8 used by Rover is a legendary lump that was used for years in a hugely varied array of vehicles.

Max_Damage · 25-12-2010 10:10pm

Well, I'm a big car enthusiast, but I've no interest in 'MORE POWA' engines.

EPM · 25-12-2010 10:17pm

This poll represents the OP's opinions and therefore is flawed.

VAG TDi ffs...

bmw535d · 25-12-2010 10:22pm

EPM wrote: »

This poll represents the OP's opinions and therefore is flawed.

VAG TDi ffs...

how does the poll represent my opinions? i've included all types of engines big and small from all over the world except american v8's, well the rover v8 is in-fact an american design.

the poll represent the opinions of the people of boards and so far the vag tdi is on top,so enough of the die hard petrol fans making up excuses about farmers on there way to mass, move on.

if your auto motive knowledge extended past top gear and honest john you would quit whining about the results of the poll.

greatest engine/engines ever built.

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