greatest engine/engines ever built.

bmw535d

kuro2k wrote: »

I agree its not too hard but very few have followed. We are talking about the greatest engine ever built, surely we have to include the workhorse of the 3rd world. I didn't realise it was all about bhp!!!

Yea its great listing all the AMG, BMW, Buggatti, Ferrari & Honda's of the world....... all great engines but the greatest?

129bhp from a 4.2 diesel is laughable. there have been lots of higher out putting more reliable diesels.even the americans can get a better output per liter than that and thier low output v8's are super reliable.

kuro2k

bmw535d wrote: »

129bhp from a 4.2 diesel is laughable. there have been lots of higher out putting more reliable diesels.even the americans can get a better output per liter than that and thier low output v8's are super reliable.

Name one other engine that has been tried and tested in the extreme conditions that make up more than 70% of the world. I don't think toyota have ever had a problem getting better output per litre so I'm not sure what your point is re American cars........ Once again is the greatest engine all about bhp? I hope not!

Mahatma coat

I agree about the 1HZ motor, they are Almost indestructable, and then of course people seeem to be overlooking the engine that powers another great whack of the develipoing world, the Mercedes 5 cylinder Diesel.

A great engine can only be judged with the fullness of time, the Aircooled VW motor has been kickin it for over 50 years with little to no changes, same for the Rover V8, or the Datsun120B motor (these are in a lot more things tatn you would think)

so altho the AMG 6.3 of the BMW V10 might be technologically impressive I wont judge them until I see a twenty year old one.

bmw535d

kuro2k wrote: »

Name one other engine that has been tried and tested in the extreme conditions that make up more than 70% of the world. I don't think toyota have ever had a problem getting better output per litre so I'm not sure what your point is re American cars........ Once again is the greatest engine all about bhp? I hope not!

i agree that they may be very robust. but the trade of of bhp output is reliability. therefor anyone could screw the output of a normal reliable engine way down to make it just as reliable. it doesn't even have a turbo. which explains its utter poor performance. the vw 1.9 straight diesel would be just as reliable and has way better out put per liter.

and this thread/poll isn't about the most robust reliable engine ever made its about the greatest, so reliability is only one factor when voting or posting

SpannerMonkey

the bugatti is by far the most technically impressive engine ,

but also the Bmw S54 that powered the M3 csl was hugely impressive and if you ever heard my god it was unreal :eek::cool:

as said the Rover V8's have to be on that list they probably mad the biggest contribution to luxury and sports cars over the years

The Jaguar 5.3 V12 another legend

the 7.3 litre V12 in the aston martin one 77

The Bmw S70 truely an amazing engine powered the Mclaren F1 and the Bmw LMR:cool:

The mercedes V12 6.0 AMG bi-turbo :cool:

and the Bmw M62 4.4 another long standing engine that has been around for years and still going strong

the honda s2000 another great engine

and finally the Bmw M88 that powered the Bmw M1, genisis of the Bmw M cars ( i know the BMW 3.0 CSL is what started it off but the M1 was the first proper M car)

Bigus

M3 E46 3.2 360 bhp CSL version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gykMNGAGGA

Henry Ford III

Porsche 911 flat 6?

GERMAN ROCKS

why no psa peugeot citroen 1.6 hdi engine in any option. surely one of the best diesel engines ever. especially back in 04

cnocbui

Rolls Royce Merlin


Without it, we would all be speaking German and clicking our heels together.

Someone put one in a car so it qualifies for me ;-)

Also, where's the Aurelio Lampredi twin, derivatives of which appeared in various Fiats, Lancias and Alfas?

colm1234

bmw535d wrote: »

its not hard to make something reliable if its a 4.2 that puts out 129bhp, i mean come on.

ok how about the toyota corolla 1.3 engine one of the most reliable engines ever built, in my opinion best engines built are jap petrol or german diesel, you can keep everything else cas pure ****e eg rover fiat peugeot renault citroen, people think these cars are great because maybe at some time they owned one relatively trouble free and so they think its the best engine ever they obviously know nothing of mechanics and their decisions are based upon looks

johnos1984

colm1234 wrote: »

ok how about the toyota corolla 1.3 engine one of the most reliable engines ever built, in my opinion best engines built are jap petrol or german diesel, you can keep everything else cas pure ****e eg rover fiat peugeot renault citroen, people think these cars are great because maybe at some time they owned one relatively trouble free and so they think its the best engine ever they obviously know nothing of mechanics and their decisions are based upon looks

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

SpannerMonkey

colm1234 wrote: »

ok how about the toyota corolla 1.3 engine one of the most reliable engines ever built, in my opinion best engines built are jap petrol or german diesel, you can keep everything else cas pure ****e eg rover fiat peugeot renault citroen, [B]people think these cars are great because maybe at some time they owned one relatively trouble free and so they think its the best engine ever they obviously know nothing of mechanics and their decisions are based upon looks[/B][/QUOTE]


and you think its great purely because its trouble free
the best engine is not necessarily the most reliable , how many times does it have to be said , and btw the toyota 1.3 were nopt the most reliable engines toyota ever built , its not unknown for them to blow a head gasket or 20

btw my first car was a 1993 toyota corolla 1.3 so dont go saying im talking crap, im also working with two people who have them and both of their head gasgets went aswell , and from my experience with that car it was the most god awful piece of cheap crap i ever came across , boring ,slow , lifeless, forgettable

Rulmeq

There's a lot of poor engines in that list, I'd probably replace that W16 with this one.

mike65

Alfa Romeo V6 1979-2005

colm1234

davy_b wrote: »

colm1234 wrote: »

ok how about the toyota corolla 1.3 engine one of the most reliable engines ever built, in my opinion best engines built are jap petrol or german diesel, you can keep everything else cas pure ****e eg rover fiat peugeot renault citroen, [B]people think these cars are great because maybe at some time they owned one relatively trouble free and so they think its the best engine ever they obviously know nothing of mechanics and their decisions are based upon looks[/B][/QUOTE]


and you think its great purely because its trouble free
the best engine is not necessarily the most reliable , how many times does it have to be said , and btw the toyota 1.3 were nopt the most reliable engines toyota ever built , its not unknown for them to blow a head gasket or 20

btw my first car was a 1993 toyota corolla 1.3 so dont go saying im talking crap, im also working with two people who have them and both of their head gasgets went aswell , and from my experience with that car it was the most god awful piece of cheap crap i ever came across , boring ,slow , lifeless, forgettable

you sure about that ? im only a mechanic of 20 years and have not come across too many blown head gaskets on the older corolla plenty on french cars though, in my experience the corolla is the most affordable, reliable and easy to maintain car on the market sure its not going to win awards based on looks or performance but the average person is quite happy with 40mpg im sure plenty of people will agree, its not always about the biggest and most powerful, 20 years experience doubt im wrong buddy

cnocbui

colm1234 wrote: »

fiat peugeot renault citroen, people think these cars are great because maybe at some time they owned one relatively trouble free and so they think its the best engine ever they obviously know nothing of mechanics and their decisions are based upon looks

Owned 4 Fiats and an Alfa.

You seem to have no idea about cars, the history of their development, in particularly the engines that power them.

For true car enthusiasts, there's more to making one great than just reliabilty.

The Japanese motor industry is where it is today because in the early 70's they started copying Italian OHC engines, most probably those in Fiats.

I remember when my Dad bought a new Mitsubishi Galant back in 74. When I first looked at the engine I thought it had 'Italian' written all over it.

johndaman66

vag 1.9-2.0 tdi

Whatever about the 1.9 tdi engines which I don't feel is worthy of being on the shortlist I absolutely fail to see why the vag 2.0 tdi engines should make the list...the mind boggles

SpannerMonkey

colm1234 wrote: »

davy_b wrote: »

you sure about that ? im only a mechanic of 20 years and have not come across too many blown head gaskets on the older corolla plenty on french cars though, in my experience the corolla is the most affordable, reliable and easy to maintain car on the market sure its not going to win awards based on looks or performance but the average person is quite happy with 40mpg im sure plenty of people will agree, its not always about the biggest and most powerful, 20 years experience doubt im wrong buddy

:rolleyes:absolutely 100% positive about that , i was surprised when it happened too and when i heard it happened others , not doubting you but you but its a FACT that it happened

colm1234

cnocbui wrote: »

Owned 4 Fiats and an Alfa.

You seem to have no idea about cars, the history of their development, in particularly the engines that power them.

For true car enthusiasts, there's more to making one great than just reliabilty.

The Japanese motor industry is where it is today because in the early 70's they started copying Italian OHC engines, most probably those in Fiats.

I remember when my Dad bought a new Mitsubishi Galant back in 74. When I first looked at the engine I thought it had 'Italian' written all over it.

mechanic of 20 years id say ive some idea im not even gunna talk about fiat or alfa fix it again tommorow, dont get me wrong i am greatful for these cars as without them breaking down all the time id have no work infact EVERYONE please buy them and make me rich

alexmcred

The vw twincharger tsi engine although a cracking to have in a Golf in either 140 or 170 guise it's reliability is rubbish in my personal experience

Henry Ford III

Ford DFV

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosworth_DFV

SIX PACK

Why isint Toyota mentioned on the List ? ? ? ?

kazul

What about the Nissan VQ series? Appeared on Ward's best engines list every year for 10 years +

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines

colm1234

colm1234 wrote: »

ok how about the toyota corolla 1.3 engine one of the most reliable engines ever built, in my opinion best engines built are jap petrol or german diesel, you can keep everything else cas pure ****e eg rover fiat peugeot renault citroen, people think these cars are great because maybe at some time they owned one relatively trouble free and so they think its the best engine ever they obviously know nothing of mechanics and their decisions are based upon looks

An enthusiast has spoken :pac:

I do like a Jap petrol myself, the 3SGE in my Celica gave decent performance from it's 2 litres and was a non interference engine. The 2.2 F22b5 that was in an Accord Coupe I bought (but never actually owned ) was a very decent lump. Also I found the F22B that was in my auto Prelude a great yoke to go for a non VTEC Honda.

1.3 Toyota Corolla engine that you mention I would class as completely unremarkable.

Re Rovers, as mentioned by some actual knowledgeable folk the Rover V8 powered many a propor sports car. Also the K series gave 103 bhp from a 1.4 back in 1989, that engine went on to power Lotus and Caterham cars for years so quite a decent powerplant particularly in closed deck configuration.

cnocbui

colm1234 wrote: »

mechanic of 20 years id say ive some idea im not even gunna talk about fiat or alfa fix it again tommorow, dont get me wrong i am greatful for these cars as without them breaking down all the time id have no work infact EVERYONE please buy them and make me rich

I have been an amateur mechanic for 32 years. I never want to work on another American or British engine ever again.

I won't argue about Alfa, but: Cars less reliable than Fiat:

32 Land Rover
31 Alfa Romeo
30 Renault
29 Saab
28 MG
27 Vauxhall
26 Peugeot
25 Audi
24 Rover
23 BMW

Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/bargains-and-rip-offs/motoring/article.html?in_article_id=507837&in_page_id=53949#ixzz198BQ8Mg3

This was about great engines. There have been plenty of great engines in Fiats, Alfas and Lancias.

squod

colm1234 wrote: »

.......ok how about the toyota corolla 1.3 engine one of the most reliable engines ever built, in my opinion best engines built are jap petrol or german diesel, you can keep everything else cas pure ****e eg rover fiat peugeot renault citroen, people think these cars are great because maybe at some time they owned one relatively trouble free and so they think its the best engine ever they obviously know nothing of mechanics and their decisions are based upon look

There's still a shed load of ford diesels out there with 400K + on them. Doesn't make them great and probably why they're not on the list. Reliability isn't much of an indicator of greatness IMO.

Besides, the longer corollas last the longer people who see them have to suffer. Think about someone other than yourself for a change.

greysides

Having extensively driven all the listed engines, like everybody else, of course, I can happily say none are worth a damn compared to an F-14 engine. So I won't bother voting.

bmw535d

johndaman66 wrote: »

Whatever about the 1.9 tdi engines which I don't feel is worthy of being on the shortlist I absolutely fail to see why the vag 2.0 tdi engines should make the list...the mind boggles

the reason I have that on the list is, I challenge you to go outside and look up and down the street(if you live in an urban area) and honestly come back here and tell me there isn't at least 1 car that has the vag 1.9/2.0 tdi lump.there is a reason they are so common, its not that they are cheap either.

bmw535d

bmw535d wrote: »

the reason I have that on the list is, I challenge you to go outside and look up and down the street(if you live in an urban area) and honestly come back here and tell me there isn't at least 1 car that has the vag 1.9/2.0 tdi lump.there is a reason they are so common, its not that they are cheap either.

:pac:

Just did that for the craic, 30 odd cars about and a bastad TDi Passat across the road Still go back 15 years and Escorts/Orions were everywhere and they were complete and utter dirt. The reason the 1.9/2.0 Vag engines are common are because there in everything from a 1995 Golf to a 2010 A6

bmw535d

greysides wrote: »

Having extensively driven all the listed engines, like everybody else, of course, I can happily say none are worth a damn compared to an F-14 engine. So I won't bother voting.

have you seen the sheer power and tourqe of a remapped straight pipe 1.9tdi vag lump?:D:D:D:D:D