The EU is the Fourth Reich

K-9

sligopark wrote: »

ah come on K-9 neither you I or the majority of those affected by this eu, bankster and politicon men of ff fg and labour lost our future earnings, pensions or the comfort of relations close to home through coke or hookers - please don't shame us by claiming the ordinary irish taxpayer did so either

It was a joke, an analogy.

Expensive properties, cars, 4*4's, holidays away, spa treatments, plasma TV's, 3/4 credit cards etc. etc.

namloc1980

sligopark wrote: »

eh who voted barosso president? Oh no-one knows - it was a secret vote.

He is the President of the Commission who is appointed but only with the approval of the European Parliament - who are ELECTED by the people of the EU. It's called representative democracy.

sligopark

K-9 wrote: »

It was a joke, an analogy.

Expensive properties, cars, 4*4's, holidays away, spa treatments, plasma TV's, 3/4 credit cards etc. etc.

trinkets thrown from the plate off those who made millions and hide it and helped by politicon men getting massive pay off pensions some of which required €20K a month pay in to create.

Sovereignty loss - yes I am against a our demeaning as a nation being sold off to a superstate given we are hardly a century away from an uprising that brought us the freedom from a british empire that crearted an irish holocaust only thrity years prior (www.irishholocaust.com) that was very little diminsished by entry into a eec of mutual benefit to an eu of no benefit and serfdom - hopefully it wont take thirty years for us to realise we need an uprising...

namloc1980

sligopark wrote: »

trinkets thrown from the plate off those who made millions and hide it and helped by politicon men getting massive pay off pensions some of which required €20K a month pay in to create.

Sovereignty loss - yes I am against a our demeaning as a nation being sold off to a superstate given we are hardly a century away from an uprising that brought us the freedom from a british empire that crearted an irish holocaust only thrity years prior (www.irishholocaust.com) that was very little diminsished by entry into a eec of mutual benefit to an eu of no benefit and serfdom - hopefully it wont take thirty years for us to realise we need an uprising...

Well the Lisbon Treaty has now brought in a mechanism to allow a memberstate leave the EU. You should get politicians elected who will push for exit and voila there you go. No more big bad EU.

sligopark

sligopark wrote: »

eh who voted barosso president? Oh no-one knows - it was a secret vote.

namloc1980 wrote: »

He is the President of the Commission who is appointed but only with the approval of the European Parliament - who are ELECTED by the people of the EU. It's called representative democracy.

sprry I think you missed the word secret and its no secret that its secret Barroso said so earlier this month in response to a suggestion he had not been voted president - the problem is that many MEPs never voted for him - so who did?

have no idea how to embed but head to 3.40 of this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKoEm1uWY7s

sligopark

namloc1980 wrote: »

Well the Lisbon Treaty has now brought in a mechanism to allow a memberstate leave the EU. You should get politicians elected who will push for exit and voila there you go. No more big bad EU.

as you would post

YAWN

PanchoVilla

Take the bit of code after /watch?v= (rKoEm1uWY7s) and put it between the youtube tags.

{youtube}rKoEm1uWY7s{/youtube} but use the [] instead of {}.

Good video by the way, Farage tells it like it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKoEm1uWY7s

K-9

sligopark wrote: »

trinkets thrown from the plate off those who made millions and hide it and helped by politicon men getting massive pay off pensions some of which required €20K a month pay in to create.

Sovereignty loss - yes I am against a our demeaning as a nation being sold off to a superstate given we are hardly a century away from an uprising that brought us the freedom from a british empire that crearted an irish holocaust only thrity years prior (www.irishholocaust.com) that was very little diminsished by entry into a eec of mutual benefit to an eu of no benefit and serfdom - hopefully it wont take thirty years for us to realise we need an uprising...

Well maybe if the credit was used to boost indigenous industry (90% of our exports are Multi Nationals) rather than sell houses to each other, we wouldn't be having this crisis.

Sorry sligopark. To me sovereignty should be sacrosanct or tradeable.

Somebody should value it whole heartedly or, it isn't that important to them at all, despite their protestations. Once it becomes a commodity, which it did when we joined the EEC, which you support, it is just moral relativism and opinion after that.

We had to change many things in the 70's because of the EEC, some good, some bad, but that's what happens when sovereignty is lost.

namloc1980

sligopark wrote: »

sprry I think you missed the word secret and its no secret that its secret Barroso said so earlier this month in response to a suggestion he had not been voted president - the problem is that many MEPs never voted for him - so who did?

have no idea how to embed but head to 3.40 of this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKoEm1uWY7s

No the Parliament is not secret. They approved Barroso and they are elected by the people. You should read up on how the EU actually works. Anyway you know what would happen if the position was directly elected....a German would win every time because they have by far and away the largest electorate in the EU. Would that be preferable?

gizmo

sligopark wrote: »

Is it their fault when the main politicon parties make sure there is no other choice or bring in the eu ff dogs to fight the truth of individuals like Ganley with false promises of jobs and the promotion of out right lies and then use taxpayer money to do so?

As a side-note to all of this, can we please stop with the "Yay Ganley" bull**** in these threads? Not only was he caught blatantly lying during the campaign but he's also the Chairman of a US-based defence contractor, an association which, if linked to any other individual in any other thread in this forum, would instantly have him labelled as part of the military industrial complex which is supposedly out to kill us all in our sleep.

namloc1980

sligopark wrote: »

as you would post

YAWN

Is that the best you can come up with....how sad.

sligopark

gizmo wrote: »

As a side-note to all of this, can we please stop with the "Yay Ganley" bull**** in these threads? Not only was he caught blatantly lying during the campaign but he's also the Chairman of a US-based defence contractor, an association which, if linked to any other individual in any other thread in this forum, would instantly have him labelled as part of the military industrial complex which is supposedly out to kill us all in our sleep.

have to give a yawn to this ....

namloc1980 wrote: »

Is that the best you can come up with....how sad.

sorry bud was just following your lead

namloc1980 wrote: »

No the Parliament is not secret. They approved Barroso and they are elected by the people.

according to barroso himself they didn't - now either you or he is telling a fib

namloc1980

sligopark wrote: »

according to barroso himself they didn't - now either you or he is telling a fib

Really?? You might need to watch the video again.

gizmo

sligopark wrote: »

have to give a yawn to this ....

Why? Is there anything I said which is untrue?

meglome

After all this I'm still waiting to hear how the EU made us make a mess in our own country.

Genuinely some of you need to go read a book about just how shíte it was in this country back in the 'good' ole days.

PanchoVilla

meglome wrote: »

After all this I'm still waiting to hear how the EU made us make a mess in our own country.

I don't know, why don't you provide us with details from the secret meetings that are held by European leaders so we can have a better idea of what's really going on. Why do you think our government bailed out the banks? They knew it was political suicide so why did they go ahead with it?

Genuinely some of you need to go read a book about just how shíte it was in this country back in the 'good' ole days.

I wonder if that had anything to do with the fact that this nation was only created 90 years ago. I wonder what the U.S. was like 10-20 years after the Declaration of Independence was signed. I imagine it was pretty shít and people had to work their arses off. Well, not everyone as there were plenty of slaves available at the time. I'd rather live destitute in my own country than live off the handouts from countries that were built on slavery and exploitation.

namloc1980

PanchoVilla wrote: »

I don't know, why don't you provide us with details from the secret meetings that are held by European leaders so we can have a better idea of what's really going on.

What secret meetings? The minutes from European Council meetings are available on the Council website.

meglome

PanchoVilla wrote: »

I don't know, why don't you provide us with details from the secret meetings that are held by European leaders so we can have a better idea of what's really going on. Why do you think our government bailed out the banks? They knew it was political suicide so why did they go ahead with it?

The EU didn't make us do anything, not only that they warned us about what we were doing. Did we take the advice? hell no we laughed at them. Now we're begging for help or we go down the toilet. Bailing out the banks wasn't political suicide or necessarily wrong. Now how they went about it is very much up for debate. The EU may have gone along with this but they didn't decide what to do, our government did. So why you keep talking about secret EU meetings is beyond me.

PanchoVilla wrote: »

I wonder if that had anything to do with the fact that this nation was only created 90 years ago. I wonder what the U.S. was like 10-20 years after the Declaration of Independence was signed. I imagine it was pretty shít and people had to work their arses off. Well, not everyone as there were plenty of slaves available at the time. I'd rather live destitute in my own country than live off the handouts from countries that were built on slavery and exploitation.

We operated a protectionist fully Irish, fully De Valera policy back in the day. It's left us a poor basket case, where the best hope you had was an education you could use in another country. Yeah people worked hard, pity it wasn't in Ireland as there was no jobs. I don't even know what to say to you if you want to go back to that, we are living on different planets.

K-9

PanchoVilla wrote: »

I don't know, why don't you provide us with details from the secret meetings that are held by European leaders so we can have a better idea of what's really going on. Why do you think our government bailed out the banks? They knew it was political suicide so why did they go ahead with it?

Considering Denmark was the only other EU country to guarantee banks the way we did, it must be some sort of conspiracy that doesn't involve the big players.

Torakx

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Take the bit of code after /watch?v= (rKoEm1uWY7s) and put it between the youtube tags.

{youtube}rKoEm1uWY7s{/youtube} but use the [] instead of {}.

Good video by the way, Farage tells it like it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKoEm1uWY7s

Wasnt he in a plain crash during his last campaign? Lucky to survive he was i think the only passenger.Or at least the plane was so small to only hold a few people.I saw a pic of him stumbling out of the wreck blood running down his face.Was kind of scary and i often wonder how much of an accident was it.

meglome

Torakx wrote: »

Wasnt he in a plain crash during his last campaign? Lucky to survive he was i think the only passenger.Or at least the plane was so small to only hold a few people.I saw a pic of him stumbling out of the wreck blood running down his face.Was kind of scary and i often wonder how much of an accident was it.

Who would gain the most from his death. I'd guess it would be UKIP who would receive an upsurge in sympathy votes.

PanchoVilla

I know cross posting is usually frowned upon but I'd love to get our resident europhiles' opinions on this topic:

Brown Bomber wrote: »

EU's Israel data transfer deal to proceed despite Irish veto
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/1112/1224283152213.html

So now that we know the EU can dictate matters of our own national security, how do people feel about our benevolent overlords now? I guess the EU won't be so great for those unlucky people who end up with a murder charge, or worse, because of this deal.

humanji

PanchoVilla wrote: »

I know cross posting is usually frowned upon but I'd love to get our resident europhiles' opinions on this topic:



So now that we know the EU can dictate matters of our own national security, how do people feel about our benevolent overlords now? I guess the EU won't be so great for those unlucky people who end up with a murder charge, or worse, because of this deal.

It's democracy in action. The majority wanted it. But thankfully Ireland still had a say in the matter and nothing is handed over without being checked first. Originally, Israel would be able to take what they want and not tell anyone about it.

Torakx

Does this mean europe and Ireland included are actually giving information to that foreign state?
Because what you said sounds pretty similar to what was said in the other post only we are aknowledging thatwe will give them information instead of them just taking it..not alot of difference and for that alone their should be riots!

humanji

It means what is handed over gets to be decided. Or at least that's how it's meant to be. Time will tell what comes of it.

Joshua Jones

meglome wrote: »

I totally agree. But you can't separate the government from the people who elected them. People who were happy with the low taxes and high spend. People who didn't ask difficult questions or try to bring their representative's to book. Well you and me really. (Though I didn't personally vote for FF)

You blame everybody yet excuse yourself, nice.

meglome

Joshua Jones wrote: »

You blame everybody yet excuse yourself, nice.

Not all all. I think we're all somewhat responsible. Some more than others but all of us played some part.

It's not possible long term to have a high spending low tax state but most people went along as it meant more money for them. We were bought, now we see our mistake.

PanchoVilla

humanji wrote: »

It's democracy in action. The majority wanted it. But thankfully Ireland still had a say in the matter and nothing is handed over without being checked first. Originally, Israel would be able to take what they want and not tell anyone about it.

The EU committee gave no opinion on the matter, in effect giving Israel the go-ahead. Because some member states were not represented at the meeting, there was no qualified majority in favour of the proposal. The European Commission adopts such decisions and is expected to do so in the coming weeks.

I guess that would be European democracy in action. So, instead of sanctioning Israel for stealing information and using it to create false passports for their assassins, we decided to just willingly hand over whatever they want. Am I missing something here? Are they threating to fly more planes into London or Paris if we refuse to give them the info?

sligopark

meglome wrote: »

We were bought, now we see our mistake.

Our politicon men were bought off by irish banksters, when they were getting mega rich, we were thrown titibits and now these banksters have massive losses we the taxpayer are being forced to pay and they are free to live the high life.

humanji

PanchoVilla wrote: »

I guess that would be European democracy in action. So, instead of sanctioning Israel for stealing information and using it to create false passports for their assassins, we decided to just willingly hand over whatever they want. Am I missing something here? Are they threating to fly more planes into London or Paris if we refuse to give them the info?

Yes you are missing something. Not all member states were present at the vote. As I said in the other thread, Ahern should have organised them to show up to veto the plan under QMV, but he didn't. We didn't just decide to hand anything over. This is how politics works. It's not always about creating a conspiracy.