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€6,000,000,000.00 in Budget cuts tba today

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    #62
    Lumen
    Registered Users Posts: 31,021 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Wile E. Coyote wrote: »
    I think they're talking about annual road tax and not VRT.

    Ah, right. Thread read fail.


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    #63
    anniehoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,596 ✭✭✭anniehoo


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    :confused:

    what do tax rates and pay rates have to do with each other.
    anyway pay agreements are done on gross pay not net pay, a public service tax band would be a good way to get around not lowering wages...
    I thought it was a reasonable question to ask no? Income tax affects gross pay hence, an increase in income tax = decrease in gross pay therefore decrease in net pay.


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    #64
    Wile E. Coyote
    Registered Users Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    anniehoo wrote: »
    I thought it was a reasonable question to ask no? Income tax affects gross pay hence, an increase in income tax = decrease in gross pay therefore decrease in net pay.

    Income tax is applied to the Gross so their Gross pay would remain the same. It's the Net, take home pay, that would decrease with the increased tax.


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    #65
    inforfun
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    This Co2 based motor tax backfired quite a bit i would say.
    Too many cars out there that fall in the cheaper tax.

    And with motortax being something holy in this country, people driving underpowered cars so they can save €100 a year on motor tax in the past, the governement only sees low Co2 cars being sold.


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    #66
    johnnyjb
    Registered Users Posts: 366 ✭✭johnnyjb


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    ask somebody to press the magic button that puts us back to zero

    Windows
    ...All Programs
    ...Accessories
    ...System Tools
    ...System restore

    If only it was so easy


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    #67
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    johnnyjb wrote: »
    Windows
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    If only it was so easy

    you forgot to delete system32 to make sure it can never happen again


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    #68
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,475 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    anniehoo wrote: »
    I thought it was a reasonable question to ask no? Income tax affects gross pay hence, an increase in income tax = decrease in gross pay therefore decrease in net pay.

    oh dear

    income tax does not effect gross pay in the slightest*

    *except for structuring gross pay for tax avoidance purposes, but that's not something the average person can do.


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    #69
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    Over in Germany Der Spiegel had this headline two days ago: 'Financial markets bet on collapse of Ireland'

    The IMF doesn't sound as bad as everybody makes out. After all, didn't they bail Britain out in 1976, something which most people appear not to be aware of. See also, The IMF crisis of 1976 and British politics

    Personally, if the huge perks and salaries of our great leaders in all fields were removed and the economy made more efficient that would stand to us in the long run. The entire native Irish political class, of all parties, needs to be punished. I don't expect Labour and Fine Gael to be willing to do that either. Fianna Fáil has nothing left to lose, but it won't make the necessary changes to the privileges of those within its patronage system.

    For instance, the only former taoiseach of Ireland who genuinely needs armed gardaí is Patrick Bartholomew Ahern. It's a nonsense that the rest receive such protection. The multiple pensions and enormous "golden handshakes" given to Irish politicians and Irish civil servants are not going to be ended by Irish politicians and Irish civil servants. Duh.


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    #70
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Wile E. Coyote wrote: »
    Why can't public sector pay be hit when the money we're borrowing is going to pay them? I'm in the private sector, my pay has been hit twice already. Can I be exempt from this budget too?


    Only twice??

    You private sector people dont know you're born.

    Bet you dont pay the pension levy either?


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    #71
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Degsy wrote: »
    Only twice??

    You private sector people dont know you're born.

    Bet you dont pay the pension levy either?

    What's a pension ?


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    #72
    johnnyjb
    Registered Users Posts: 366 ✭✭johnnyjb


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    you forgot to delete system32 to make sure it can never happen again

    I did enough, let some another government person do it, ive more important things i could be neglecting.

    Any one wanna go to Galway for the night ?? Ive no work in the morning, only a few meetings and stuff.


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    #73
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Morlar wrote: »
    What's a pension ?


    Its what you get when you're older if you squirrel money away instead of spending it all on drink.

    Even if you dont bother to save,the govt will give you a state pension which you will get without having to contribute to it.

    Now see my contribution is compulsary,i dont have the option to spent the 6% on drink and the govt have decided to tax me at another 6% just for the pleasure of taking the money off me in the first place.

    Everybody knows there's no more money to pay the pensions so a levy is a paycut by a different name.

    Much like the dole..the people still working are paying for those that arent.


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    #74
    DonJose
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭DonJose


    Rabies wrote: »
    Buckle up, gonna be a bumpy ride.

    Thats what Mary Harneys husband said!!!
    Biggins wrote: »
    Up to now its been a bumpy ride.

    Thats what Mary Harneys husband said!!!

    orourkeda wrote: »
    Nice round number.

    Thats what Mary Harneys husband said!!!
    Duggy747 wrote: »
    Gonna need some rope then to keep us on....

    Thats what Mary Harneys husband said!!!

    Rabies wrote: »
    That is where the clown comes in, helps to distract the rage :)

    Thats what Mary Harneys husband said!!!

    seamus wrote: »
    Who's got the lube?

    Thats what Mary Harneys husband said..........


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    #75
    coffee_cake
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    Degsy wrote: »
    Its what you get when you're older if you squirrel money away instead of spending it all on drink.

    Even if you dont bother to save,the govt will give you a state pension which you will get without having to contribute to it.

    Now see my contribution is compulsary,i dont have the option to spent the 6% on drink and the govt have decided to tax me at another 6% just for the pleasure of taking the money off me in the first place.

    Everybody knows there's no more money to pay the pensions so a levy is a paycut by a different name.

    Much like the dole..the people still working are paying for those that arent.

    DB pensions cost a fortune


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    #76
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Degsy wrote: »
    Its what you get when you're older if you squirrel money away instead of spending it all on drink.

    Even if you dont bother to save,the govt will give you a state pension which you will get without having to contribute to it.

    Now see my contribution is compulsary,

    Yep I have a pension - I was being sarcastic.

    Many private sector PAYe workers however do not.

    Your view of private sector workers who do not have pensions as 'squandering it on drink' is self justifying, delusional fantasy.

    Oh, and both me and other private sector workers' contribution to cover the govt share of your public sector pension is also compulsory.


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    #77
    Biggins
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    DonJose wrote: »
    Thats what Mary Harneys husband said!!!
    Thats what Mary Harneys husband said!!!
    Thats what Mary Harneys husband said!!!
    Thats what Mary Harneys husband said!!!
    Thats what Mary Harneys husband said!!!
    Thats what Mary Harneys husband said..........
    Huston, I think we have a problem...


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    #78
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Would that be €6bn? Doesn't seem too bad.
    Social Welfare is about €20bn & the public sector wage bill is about €20bn. 10% off each is €4bn.

    The PAYE tax credit is €1830. You get this simply because you're employed rather than being self-employed. Basically, if you decide to go out on your own and innovate, you get punished to the tune of €1,830 per year. This is because the government recognise that most of the electorate are PAYE workers so if you make it nice and sweet for them, they'll like you.

    There are 2.2 million PAYE workers in this country. If you remove the PAYE tax credit, most of them will have to pay an additional €1,830 in tax every year.

    2,200,000 * 1,830 = €4bn. OK, so you only need to halve the PAYE tax credit. Even better! Most of us can dig a tiny little bit deeper and hand over €80 a month next year for the good of the nation. Sure you'd spend that on a night out.

    Yes, it means that the public sector get it a little bit harder than the rest, but it's horrifically bloated. Overall, everyone takes some pain, regardless of their circumstances.


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    #79
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Degsy wrote: »
    Now see my contribution is compulsary,i dont have the option to spent the 6% on drink and the govt have decided to tax me at another 6% just for the pleasure of taking the money off me in the first place.

    .

    my contribution to YOUR pension is also compulsory...and i want it back.

    I WANT IT BACK F'UCKING NOW :mad:

    only messing degsy i only want half


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    #80
    DonJose
    Registered Users Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭DonJose


    Biggins wrote: »
    Huston, I think we have a problem...

    Thats what Mary Harneys husband said!!!


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    #81
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    seamus wrote: »
    Social Welfare is about €20bn & the public sector wage bill is about €20bn. 10% off each is €4bn.

    option one please :p


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    #82
    anniehoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,596 ✭✭✭anniehoo


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    oh dear

    income tax does not effect gross pay in the slightest*

    *except for structuring gross pay for tax avoidance purposes, but that's not something the average person can do.
    Sorry having a total ditzy day, yeh makes sense now :o;)


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    #83
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Morlar wrote: »
    Oh, and both me and other private sector workers' contribution to cover the govt share of your public sector pension is also compulsory.

    And i'm also paying to cover your state pension!


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    #84
    Odysseus
    Registered Users Posts: 6,754 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Wile E. Coyote wrote: »
    Why can't public sector pay be hit when the money we're borrowing is going to pay them? I'm in the private sector, my pay has been hit twice already. Can I be exempt from this budget too?

    I vowed I would not get caught up in this sh!te again, but how many times do you think we have been hit? Or are you one of the guys who think we have not had any reductions?


    All this crap I hear about me being over paid, is that crap. I supply a service that the public need and I studied for years and continue to do so, I also do some private work when I want and guess what I get paid more than with the HSE. I could decide to stop working with the HSE and earn more, much more in the past few years, but at the moment still more. I have never chased cash, I like working at the level I do in the HSE, but I supply a service and I'm entitled to be paid for it.

    I'm lucky I can make up for the past cuts by doing some private work, others are not that lucky. I joined the HSE because I get to work with people who could not afford to pay for my service. However, I'm not going to apologise for being in a career that pays well.


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    #85
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Degsy wrote: »
    And i'm also paying to cover your state pension!

    That's a lame response and you know it.


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    #86
    Mayo Exile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Mayo Exile


    Biggins wrote: »
    Up to now its been a bumpy ride.
    The next ride after the details are announced in the Budget, will be like trying stay riding a lunatic, raving, erratic bullock!

    Waaay too easy! More like this:



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    #87
    Wile E. Coyote
    Registered Users Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    Degsy wrote: »
    Only twice??

    You private sector people dont know you're born.

    Bet you dont pay the pension levy either?

    If it's so good in the private sector why don't you leave your current role and look for one in the private sector where you have to pay your own pension and your guaranteed not to come out with anything close to the retirement package a civil servant will get.


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    #88
    Wile E. Coyote
    Registered Users Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Wile E. Coyote


    Odysseus wrote: »
    I vowed I would not get caught up in this sh!te again, but how many times do you think we have been hit? Or are you one of the guys who think we have not had any reductions?


    All this crap I hear about me being over paid, is that crap. I supply a service that the public need and I studied for years and continue to do so, I also do some private work when I want and guess what I get paid more than with the HSE. I could decide to stop working with the HSE and earn more, much more in the past few years, but at the moment still more. I have never chased cash, I like working at the level I do in the HSE, but I supply a service and I'm entitled to be paid for it.

    I'm lucky I can make up for the past cuts by doing some private work, others are not that lucky. I joined the HSE because I get to work with people who could not afford to pay for my service. However, I'm not going to apologise for being in a career that pays well.

    I never said you didn't get hit with reductions and I never said you were over paid but the fact remains THE COUNTRY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY YOU what part of that is so hard to understand? In the private sector if your employer can't afford to pay your wage there's 2 options. 1. You lose your job or 2. They cut wages until they can afford to pay everyone.


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    #89
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    The govt have now confirmed it is €6,000,000,000.00 for 2010.
    http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/government-confirms-6bn-budget-cuts-480470.html

    04/11/2010 - 16:31:43
    Finance Minister Brian Lenihan has confirmed he has planned €6bn of austerity measures for Budget 2011, it has emerged this evening.

    It is estimated that €4.5bn will be made up of spending cuts, with the other €1.5bn in tax hikes.

    Growth is estimated to be just 1.75% next year, while the Department of Finance believes 100,000 people will emigrate over the next four years.
    * * *


    Fianna Fail are back to their old 1980's trick of forcing Irish people to emigrate to keep the unemployed numbers down.


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    #90
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Wile E. Coyote wrote: »
    If it's so good in the private sector why don't you leave your current role and look for one in the private sector where you have to pay your own pension and your guaranteed not to come out with anything close to the retirement package a civil servant will get.

    But i do have to pay my own pension..approx 13% or my earnings go towards my pension and this is a compulsary contribution.

    Mayeb its time the private sector were forced to pay for thier own pensions too..a pension levy like we experienced of around 6% should do the trick.

    This is all very simple..people attempting to scapegoat the Public Sector and urge pay cuts there are doing it so they wont have to pay increased income tax themselves.
    "If we can get the PS to pay it it'll keep us safee from higher rates"...you think so?

    The typical me fein attitde they exhibited during the "boom" years..a boom that attitudes like that helped to blow.


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    #91
    ejmaztec
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    Morlar wrote: »
    The govt have now confirmed it is €6,000,000,000.00 for 2010.


    * * *


    Fianna Fail are back to their old 1920s 1930s 1940s 1950s 1960s 1970s and 1980s trick of forcing Irish people to emigrate to keep the unemployed numbers down.


    fyp.


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