Students will be forced to pay 2,500 reg fees (Indo)

gurramok

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

What??

How exactly did me saying "scumbags in prison" make you think I meant everyone in prison or not getting free education. What part of "in prison" makes it look like I was talking about everyone not in prison?

You implied about people getting free education. So you were not then?

Mr.S shows how much domestic students have been grossly subsidised for their courses. The taxpayer is still funding their courses and all they are asked is just 3k:mad:

A student loan system should be setup in the absence of middle class families not paying their way.

ILA

Looks like only "poor" people and very rich people will be able to go to college so.

Ah I suppose it's not too bad, doss out for a few years and become a "poor" person and I'll get free college education. Sorted.

ILA

LZ5by5 wrote: »

The only good thing about it is that it might make some students give proper thought to what course they want to do. Paying that kind of money will lead to a lot less half assed decisions I'm sure.

Having saw what I've saw, I highly doubt it.

MickShamrock

People seem to forgot that some students have to pay tuition fees on top of this fee.

Turtyturd

gurramok wrote: »

No. I was a poor student who did not have to pay fees as thats how the system is set up to help people like me who are intelligent(:D) to get into college without having a cost barrier.



They are poor though and thats how the system is set up.

If you are that intelligent maybe you should stop twisting the words of other posters. It's blatantly obvious that there was no comparison made between those who have the fees paid and those in prison.

coffee_cake

I think the standard of education should be higher. That way it's not just another fee mammy and daddy can get you through while you still mess around.

gurramok

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

What??

How exactly did me saying "scumbags in prison" make you think I meant everyone in prison or not getting free education. What part of "in prison" makes it look like I was talking about everyone not in prison?

Turtyturd wrote: »

If you are that intelligent maybe you should stop twisting the words of other posters. It's blatantly obvious that there was no comparison made between those who have the fees paid and those in prison.

Why did the poster link free education to prisoners in his first reaction to free education? Of course he kindly forgot about the 65,000 non-criminals who get free education.:mad:

phasers

Why don't they just abolish this stupid charge and bring in fees which are paid back after the student graduates and gets a job?

I don't understand opposition to that, it seems fair and manageable. We pretty much have fees now anyway

thethedev

So where will this leave the Irish students studying in Scotland, whos fees are paid by the Scottish government?

I always assumed that Irish government paid the Scottish government for taking you?

Turtyturd

gurramok wrote: »

Why did the poster link free education to prisoners in his first reaction to free education? Of course he kindly forgot about the 65,000 non-criminals who get free education.:mad:

Kids get 'free' education...whoops I just compared kids to prisoners.

Do you see how ridiculous making that connection is?

Mark200

c_man wrote: »

I suppose if they're bringing in fees in some shape, then this probably is the best way. The poorest in society won't be stopped from pursuing third level.

It's not the best way, at all.

MitchKoobski

I work part time to put myself through college and pay my bills, and I'm barely managing the money to get me through my second year. The only reason I was able to make it to second year is because, thankfully, I was able to get a grant for this year to cover the cost of the €1500 registration fee. And I've already heard enough people argue with me saying "Oh you got a grant to cover it, it doesnt count, you dont know what its like to pay it." I paid it for my first year in college with my parents help. My parents lost their jobs right after I went in to first year.
I moved out of the house to save them the money they were spending on me. My grant nets me €130 per month while for the studying months. Even if I succesfully get my grant application accepted for next year, they won't cover €3000 or €2500 or whatever they want to increase it to. I worked full-time for this summer to give myself some money as a backup for the year, working full-time next summer wont net me the €2500 or €3000 I'll need. I'll have to drop out of college.

gurramok wrote: »

The taxpayer is still funding their courses and all they are asked is just 3k:mad:.

I was a poor student who did not have to pay fees as thats how the system is set up to help people like me who are intelligent() to get into college without having a cost barrier.

Just €3000? It's not just €3000 to me.
You say you didn't pay fees because the system helps people like you "who are intelligent". I see now. Anyone below you was stupid and deserved to pay fees is that it? I suppose you had €3000 to throw around when you weren't paying fees because you were 'intelligent'?

c_man

Mark200 wrote: »

It's not the best way, at all.

Well if some fees have to be introduced, how would you go about it?

The Waltzing Consumer

gurramok wrote: »

Why did the poster link free education to prisoners in his first reaction to free education? Of course he kindly forgot about the 65,000 non-criminals who get free education.:mad:

What??

If you have a point to make about free education outside of prison, fine. But stop linking my very limited statement about abolishing free education in prisons to the total view of free education to everyone.

I was talking about PRISONS nowhere else

MitchKoobski

phasers wrote: »

Why don't they just abolish this stupid charge and bring in fees which are paid back after the student graduates and gets a job?

I don't understand opposition to that, it seems fair and manageable. We pretty much have fees now anyway

They did that in Australia. Once the students graduated, they left the country and worked in a different country for a year or two, came back, and no one went after them for the fees.

The Waltzing Consumer

MitchKoobski wrote: »

They did that in Australia. Once the students graduated, they left the country and worked in a different country for a year or two, came back, and no one went after them for the fees.

Exact same with Swedish and Finnish people I lived with before. They just left the country.

gurramok

Turtyturd wrote: »

Kids get 'free' education...whoops I just compared kids to prisoners.

Do you see how ridiculous making that connection is?

Don't be ridiculous. Kids don't go to 3rd level, adults do. Prisoners are adults. There are 2 choices of people who get free education at 3rd level, the prisoners and the 65,000 poor students. The poster chose the former to vent his outrage at free education.

MitchKoobski wrote:

Just €3000? It's not just €3000 to me.
You say you didn't pay fees because the system helps people like you "who are intelligent". I see now. Anyone below you was stupid and deserved to pay fees is that it? I suppose you had €3000 to throw around when you weren't paying fees because you were 'intelligent'?

No, people like me who are intelligent and poor. The barrier of cost was removed and there was a level playing field on entry into college with equally intelligent students who had to pay fees. No-one was stupid.

Tar.Aldarion

Mr.S wrote: »

Thats for international students. UK and EU students pay much, much less.

Its the same as if a non EU student comes here, they pay through the teeth for university.

€2,500 isn't exactly cheap but its better then the £3000-4000 in the UK. And lets be honest here, anyone thinking about going abroad, will most likely go to the UK cus of the language barrier.

The grants still there so I don't really see the problem, if you can't get a grant, or your parents won't pay for you, then get a student loan.

Student loans are so bad here, you really want that interest for 4 years, and even working will pay off the loan if you dont have rent and bills and then you are in second year and it all starts again.

There should be better loans like in other countries and the fees for uni should be taken out of wages after uni, which will not stop people from being able to do it as much as 10k + bills and food for 4 years will

southsiderosie

RoverJames wrote: »

If I had to pay for mine I wouldn't have went tbh.

But that would be silly, given that the lifetime earnings of someone with a degree are exponentially higher than someone without a degree. Unless you are taking out 100K in loans to be a basket weaver, educational debt is not bad debt.

whatsyourquota

I think this is unbelievable, it is bad enough for families with only one child but by next year there will be three or possibly four of us in college next year. So thats 12 grand just for registration fees never mind the rent and living costs that will come after that.
Me and my sister looked for part time jobs everywhere this year but no luck, what if that happens next year? We dont get a grant either and we are by no means rich as only one of my parents works. There is not much chance of getting a decent job without a degree in this day and age so basically this will only encourage people out of leaving cert to go straight on the dole as oppose to furthering their education

bnt

Nice spin-doctoring, there:

• leak the idea of a registration fee increase to €3,000;
• wait for predictable reaction;
• announce an increase to €2,500;
• people go "oh, that ain't so bad".

:cool:

The Waltzing Consumer

gurramok wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous. Kids don't go to 3rd level, adults do. Prisoners are adults. There are 2 choices of people who get free education at 3rd level, the prisoners and the 65,000 poor students. The poster chose the former to vent his outrage at free education.

No, people like me who are intelligent and poor. The barrier of cost was removed and there was a level playing field on entry into college with equally intelligent students who had to pay fees. No-one was stupid.

:rolleyes: You have the quite the big ego?

Firstly, whats with that sentence? Two choices of people? You mean "two types of people"?

Secondly, there are more than two types of people who qualify for free education, have you heard of Back to Education?

Thirdly, I mentioned prisoners, because all this talk of fees is a cost-cutting measure, so I think about alternatives before charging all students. One thing I would think of is getting rid of prison education before touching student fees or grants.

Now, please think before you speak.

melekalikimaka

cuts are running across the board, they tried medical cards... everyone kicked up a fuss...now they are hitting education... the deficit is gonna be recovered somewhere, we need to lose our sense of entitlement in this country... asap

The Waltzing Consumer

bnt wrote: »

Nice spin-doctoring, there:

• leak the idea of a registration fee increase to €3,000;
• wait for predictable reaction;
• announce an increase to €2,500;
• people go "oh, that ain't so bad".

:cool:

Exactly, the Student Union look like they have won since it ain't the worse case scenario, the Government have the students off their backs, student union leaders go on to be councillors, tds and and the whole cycle continues.

Mark200

c_man wrote: »

Well if some fees have to be introduced, how would you go about it?

A student loan system or graduate tax, that would not be payable until the student is actually earning enough to afford it.

gurramok wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous. Kids don't go to 3rd level, adults do. Prisoners are adults. There are 2 choices of people who get free education at 3rd level, the prisoners and the 65,000 poor students. The poster chose the former to vent his outrage at free education.



No, people like me who are intelligent and poor. The barrier of cost was removed and there was a level playing field on entry into college with equally intelligent students who had to pay fees. No-one was stupid.

I've never heard something so idiotic from someone supposedly so intelligent. You should really quit your attempt to claim that poster was comparing college students to prisoners.

southsiderosie

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Exact same with Swedish and Finnish people I lived with before. They just left the country.

There needs to be an EU-wide way to deal with this, given that there is an open labor market. At a minimum, in Ireland there should be a way to link up and track loan repayments with the UK.

That said, not charging fees has the same result: students may emigrate to work, and the government has now subsidized the training of another country's workforce.

Mark200

southsiderosie wrote: »

There needs to be an EU-wide way to deal with this, given that there is an open labor market. At a minimum, in Ireland there should be a way to link up and track loan repayments with the UK.

That said, not charging fees has the same result: students may emigrate to work, and the government has now subsidized the training of another country's workforce.

The thing is that even if 20% of graduates emigrate to avoid repaying their loans, that still means the Government are making an 80% saving on college fees.

gurramok

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

:rolleyes: You have the quite the big ego?

Firstly, whats with that sentence? Two choices of people? You mean "two types of people"?

Secondly, there are more than two types of people who qualify for free education, have you heard of Back to Education?

Thirdly, I mentioned prisoners, because all this talk of fees is a cost-cutting measure, so I think about alternatives before charging all students. One thing I would think of is getting rid of prison education before touching student fees or grants.

Now, please think before you speak.

No ego thanks Those on BTEA are poor, so no 3rd category.

Why you so against the fees anyway? You never said so. All that the taxpayers ask is to contribute to your 3rd level education, how hard is that when its affordable to the families who can pay?

Mark200 wrote: »

I've never heard something so idiotic from someone supposedly so intelligent. You should really quit your attempt to claim that poster was comparing college students to prisoners.

It was a very odd post that the poster posted, free education for the underprivileged should not be touched as I believe in equal opportunities without a barrier of cost preventing intelligent poor kids reaching their potential.

Chuchoter

This is the wrong time to hike up fees, when there are no part time jobs for students to help pay them. Back along in the celtic tiger it would have been fine because if you wanted a job you could have one, now there is nothing.:(

flash1080

token56 wrote: »

I dont think its actually a bad thing. It might actually make some people question why they are going to college and if the course they are doing is the right one for them. Rather than having Mammy or Daddy pay for them to go and enjoy 3 or 4 years of socializing and a few exams twice a year and get a job completely unrelated to their degree afterwards.

I know this is a huge generalization but its still an issue which this might help stem.

What's wrong with socialising, sitting exams, and getting a job completely unrelated to their degree?

melekalikimaka wrote: »

cuts are running across the board, they tried medical cards... everyone kicked up a fuss...now they are hitting education... the deficit is gonna be recovered somewhere, we need to lose our sense of entitlement in this country... asap

Disagreeing with college fees doesn't equal having a sense of entitlement.