N69/N22/N70 Tralee Bypass

michael999999

Hoof Hearted wrote: »

That must be quite a saving from your old journey time especially if driving at peak times. What was your old time for reference?

PS. It's probably all of 50 people/day that do the entire Listowel to Killarney trip would you say.

There is no saving in the morning really, I'm leaving Listowel at 6 so there is very little traffic.

It saves 10-20 mins in the evenings, depending on the day of the week. Fridays used to be a disaster getting through the roundabout at manor.

carchaeologist

There are traffic counters in place all over the bypass, can the information collected by these be viewed online, it would make very interesting reading and would show the changing usage patterns over time.

delthedriver

carchaeologist wrote: »

There are traffic counters in place all over the bypass, can the information collected by these be viewed online, it would make very interesting reading and would show the changing usage patterns over time.

Shame the cyclists won't use the dedicated cycle lanes. One idiot cyclist almost became a statistic when he weaved out in front of my car this pm. The stretch of road is quite open, the cyclist was having trouble on the hill. Don't think he will ever feature in Tour de France!

The Traffic Corps need to remind cyclists that it is a Bypass and not a Velodrome! On that subject, I have yet to see a Garda car on the Bypass!

mk6705

carchaeologist wrote: »

There are traffic counters in place all over the bypass, can the information collected by these be viewed online, it would make very interesting reading and would show the changing usage patterns over time.

Nothing yet! Probably too early, but the information will be available on http://nraextra.nra.ie/TrafficCounterData/ within a few months I'd reckon.

hanamandiol

Hoof Hearted wrote: »

Has the 25% reduction figure materialised since the new bypass? I reckon now will be a good time to make some initial comparisons now that things are getting back to normal although I'm sure people are still trying to see how the bypass may or may not help them. I'm also sure that there are others who will take many weeks or months before venturing into "uncharted territory", as such there will be long term slow ramp up in daily traffic volume as those non-adventurous will give it a try. I would love to see how long it took for the M50 ramp up in traffic occurred.

The 9am to 6pm traffic jam which stretched from Railway Stn to Clashleahane rooundabout(outbound)and Ballygarry Htl to Clash roundabout (inbound)has gone away !! Traffic on Ballyseedy Garden Centre/Ballinorig rat run down at least 75 % A lot of traffic using Clash Ind Est exit . However ITT yet to return

ruffmut

delthedriver wrote: »

Shame the cyclists won't use the dedicated cycle lanes. One idiot cyclist almost became a statistic when he weaved out in front of my car this pm. The stretch of road is quite open, the cyclist was having trouble on the hill. Don't think he will ever feature in Tour de France!

The Traffic Corps need to remind cyclists that it is a Bypass and not a Velodrome! On that subject, I have yet to see a Garda car on the Bypass!

Cyclists are entitled to use the road. The cycle lane is too narrow for both cyclists and walkers. I know a number of people who have cycled it and found it dangerous as walkers in groups take up the full width of the lane and find it hard to get around them. Also the cycle lanes are not suited for group cycling.

xxyyzz

ruffmut wrote: »

Cyclists are entitled to use the road. The cycle lane is too narrow for both cyclists and walkers. I know a number of people who have cycled it and found it dangerous as walkers in groups take up the full width of the lane and find it hard to get around them. Also the cycle lanes are not suited for group cycling.

Thanks. It's not too bad if you're climbing up to leith on your own, but descending on it is out of the question.

phormium

I went across town yesterday over by Railway Station heading for out near Manor around 11 o'clock in morning and there was loads of traffic as usual, took a good while to get through roundabout at Austin Stacks and was very slow out as far as roundabout at Rocky Mountain. Not noticeably difference, I actually went home on the bypass even though it is longer as I was sick of the stop start traffic.

delthedriver

ruffmut wrote: »

Cyclists are entitled to use the road. The cycle lane is too narrow for both cyclists and walkers. I know a number of people who have cycled it and found it dangerous as walkers in groups take up the full width of the lane and find it hard to get around them. Also the cycle lanes are not suited for group cycling.

Of course cyclists are entitled to use the road, but they owe the same duty of care to other road users.

As for group cycling or Tour de France wannabees, surely an escort or safety car should be accompanying the group?

The Bypass is not the place for cycle racing!

Regarding the joint cycle ,pedestrian lane , I think a little courtesy from both parties is needed. So far I have not seen any groups of walkers????:)

dmeehan

ruffmut wrote: »

Cyclists are entitled to use the road. The cycle lane is too narrow for both cyclists and walkers. I know a number of people who have cycled it and found it dangerous as walkers in groups take up the full width of the lane and find it hard to get around them. Also the cycle lanes are not suited for group cycling.

If I was a cyclist I would rather have a collision with a pedestrian than with a car or truck doing 100km/h

dmeehan

ffs! I have just seen a Garda cyclist on the bypass

CheGuedara

The bypass a large, safe, new N class road - not a motorway - and cyclists are and will be using the road to get around on and train on, simple fact. Given this is a thread dedicated to a construction activity, I might suggest now building a bridge and getting over it? TBH the standard of signage/road marking at the various roundabouts is a more significant concern.

ongarboy

phormium wrote: »

Not noticeably difference, I actually went home on the bypass even though it is longer as I was sick of the stop start traffic.

When you say longer though, are you referring to distance rather than time? If the journey time in minutes was shorter due to not having to stop and start in heavy traffic, than that is where you are making the saving and is the intention of the bypass.

RevBlueJeans

I find the new by pass road to be marvellous Thanks NRA/KCC/BAM/DoT etc!

I was complaining about the lack of singage for Killarney last week but now I realise you have to follow "All other routes" and the little airplane symbol and you can navigate with ease.

Does anyknow whether those "off side" deflection arrows on the Killarney leg are provided for in Irish leglislation? They are very very scary when you encounter them first. I know many people who pulled over in panic. Ive seen them in the UK but they are usually embedded in the dashed white line they are called "1014's" in England.

Whats with people creeping along in the outside lane doing 40km/h?

Quaderno

RevBlueJeans wrote: »

Does anyknow whether those "off side" deflection arrows on the Killarney leg are provided for in Irish leglislation? They are very very scary when you encounter them first. I know many people who pulled over in panic. Ive seen them in the UK but they are usually embedded in the dashed white line they are called "1014's" in England.

I couldn't find them in the "rules of the road" booklet. Those arrows are scary indeed, and even more so when you imagine being a tourist from the continent who just picked up his rental car at Kerry Airport and has done less than half an hour's driving on Irish roads when coming across them. I nearly hit the brakes and pulled over when I first saw them. Now, without oncoming traffic somebody might actually do that some day and might be very surprised just seconds later. There is not really a point for them anyway, since the road is not unexpectedly narrowing or something like that, they are certainly more hazard than help...

traleespud

CheGuedara wrote: »

The bypass a large, safe, new N class road - not a motorway - and cyclists are and will be using the road to get around on and train on, simple fact. Given this is a thread dedicated to a construction activity, I might suggest now building a bridge and getting over it? TBH the standard of signage/road marking at the various roundabouts is a more significant concern.

The title of the thread is "N69/N22/N70 Tralee Bypass". It not at all dedicated to the construction, where'd you get that info????

Locals including myself have huge concerns with flocks of middle aged over weight "cyclists" causing havoc on this new road.

The fact of the matter is a dedicated cycle track has been provided and is not been utilised. It's only a matter of time before a serious accident occurs and a cyclist gets seriously injured or killed.

If the track provided is not suitable cycle slower or utilise some of the quieter roads around Tralee. Where did all the cyclists cycle this time last year with no bypass open????

Quaderno

traleespud wrote: »

Locals including myself have huge concerns with flocks of middle aged over weight "cyclists" causing havoc on this new road.

The fact of the matter is a dedicated cycle track has been provided and is not been utilised. It's only a matter of time before a serious accident occurs and a cyclist gets seriously injured or killed.

If the track provided is not suitable cycle slower or utilise some of the quieter roads around Tralee. Where did all the cyclists cycle this time last year with no bypass open????

Cycling in large groups with more than two cyclists abreast unnecessarily blocking traffic aside I don't have any issues with cyclists using the road - and I drove along the bypass by car as well as cycled the full length myself.
The problem with the cycle lane is that it is not a cycle lane but much rather a walkway, and I don't expect it to be any safer if the cyclists have to dodge all kinds of walkers, prams, dogs etc. that most of the time take no notice at all. And a driver on a wide road like the bypass should be well able to avoid hitting a cyclist that respects the rules. Or to give a closing question like you did: if you find cyclists on the bypass exceedingly dangerous, how do you manage to drive on country lanes with bends and hedges on both sides? I think a dedicated cycle path away from the road would be perfect, but in the current setting using the left lane is second best...

CheGuedara

traleespud wrote: »

The title of the thread is "N69/N22/N70 Tralee Bypass". It not at all dedicated to the construction, where'd you get that info????

All the posts dedicated to the design, documenting the build progression... start on page one and work forward, there's great photos and everything, you can't miss it.

traleespud wrote: »

Locals including myself have huge concerns with flocks of middle aged over weight "cyclists" causing havoc on this new road.

"Havoc". Yeah. Locals including myself have heard nothing in the way of any concerns on the matter - and as cyclists one would reasonably imagine something like that might have made itself known in the locality.

traleespud wrote: »

The fact of the matter is a dedicated cycle track has been provided and is not been utilised. It's only a matter of time before a serious accident occurs and a cyclist gets seriously injured or killed.

The fact of the matter is that the shared dual use facility is not fit for purpose and was designed without considering the stakeholders that are suggested might use it. The reality is it is a walking path for pedestrians with inappropriate signage at each end. If an accident involving a cyclist and a motorist were to occur on such a wide open road - a road with arguably the best lines of sight/visibility of any road in the county - then the motorists failure to drive with due care and attention/while intoxicated/asleep/blindfolded is likely to be the culprit before any error on the part of the cyclist.

traleespud wrote: »

If the track provided is not suitable cycle slower or utilise some of the quieter roads around Tralee. Where did all the cyclists cycle this time last year with no bypass open????

Other roads around the town and county. Now there's this new road and it opens new options for travel and training. And cyclists are going to examine and use those options.

carchaeologist

This isn't really a tit for tat motorists V cyclist thread.

A new thread can be opened to explore this argument if people wish to continue.

Although its an argument that will never be resolved!

traleespud

CheGuedara wrote: »

All the posts dedicated to the design, documenting the build progression... start on page one and work forward, there's great photos and everything, you can't miss it.

My point is the title of the thread doesn't suggest that it's dedicated soley to the construction, I've been a contributor to this thread for some time now so in aware of the postings???? Naturally enought the topic of conversation has evolved as the project has, the design and construction phase is now complete so the discussion has turned towards the workings of the project. I think it's fair to leave the thread move forward.

CheGuedara wrote: »

"Havoc". Yeah. Locals including myself have heard nothing in the way of any concerns on the matter - and as cyclists one would reasonably imagine something like that might have made itself known in the locality.

Drive home early tonight five cyclists abreast heading in the leith direction. Twas twilight that dangerous light that's not day or night...... no lights...... no hi vis gear and one not even wearing a helmet...... they were more content chatting with each other than they were cycling.

This type of "cycling" is careless, inconsiderate and down right dangerous where cars vans and trucks are passing at 100kph.

If cycling clubs are serious about there sport they should be investing money in these dedicated cycle ways to bring them up to the standard they require why should the NRA, Kerry Co Co and inevitably the tax payer be forking out for sporting activities?!?!???

My young lad can play football and hurling on the road outside when its quiet but it doesn't mean he DOES. He joins a club with facilities and resources to cater for the sport!!!!

RevBlueJeans

Quaderno wrote: »

I couldn't find them in the "rules of the road" booklet. Those arrows are scary indeed, and even more so when you imagine being a tourist from the continent who just picked up his rental car at Kerry Airport and has done less than half an hour's driving on Irish roads when coming across them. I nearly hit the brakes and pulled over when I first saw them. Now, without oncoming traffic somebody might actually do that some day and might be very surprised just seconds later. There is not really a point for them anyway, since the road is not unexpectedly narrowing or something like that, they are certainly more hazard than help...

Here is an example of a "1014" deflection arrow (some times called a toe in arrow) in Wales. http://goo.gl/maps/jYP6o Note that the arrow is along the center line. I cant find any reference in Irish law to these arrows. On the Killarney leg they appear to be positioned before hatching at the approach to junctions.

xxyyzz

traleespud wrote: »

My point is the title of the thread doesn't suggest that it's dedicated soley to the construction, I've been a contributor to this thread for some time now so in aware of the postings???? Naturally enought the topic of conversation has evolved as the project has, the design and construction phase is now complete so the discussion has turned towards the workings of the project. I think it's fair to leave the thread move forward.



Drive home early tonight five cyclists abreast heading in the leith direction. Twas twilight that dangerous light that's not day or night...... no lights...... no hi vis gear and one not even wearing a helmet...... they were more content chatting with each other than they were cycling.

This type of "cycling" is careless, inconsiderate and down right dangerous where cars vans and trucks are passing at 100kph.

If cycling clubs are serious about there sport they should be investing money in these dedicated cycle ways to bring them up to the standard they require why should the NRA, Kerry Co Co and inevitably the tax payer be forking out for sporting activities?!?!???

My young lad can play football and hurling on the road outside when its quiet but it doesn't mean he DOES. He joins a club with facilities and resources to cater for the sport!!!!

Sigh, where to start? Firstly, no cycling club would go out on spin without wearing helmets. There are dumbasses on bikes the same as dumbass drivers on the mobile etc. Don't paint them all with the same brush. If you want to see a cycle lane done properly, have a look at the Dingle road out near lispole. Are you seriously suggesting cycles clubs pay for cycle lanes?? Seriously? Maybe take a look at how cycling is catered for by our European counterparts like the Dutch where cycling is seen as a viable alternative form of transport.

carchaeologist

RevBlueJeans wrote: »

Here is an example of a "1014" deflection arrow (some times called a toe in arrow) in Wales. http://goo.gl/maps/jYP6o Note that the arrow is along the center line. I cant find any reference in Irish law to these arrows. On the Killarney leg they appear to be positioned before hatching at the approach to junctions.

Yea, they seem to be positioned there to warn you of an approaching junction, and presumably if you are overtaking or considering it that you will pull in.
I don't like them because as mentioned they make you wonder what is going on the first time you see them.

murphy05

Don't forget that some of these dumbass cyclists are probably the same people who hate cyclists on the road.

traleespud

xxyyzz wrote: »

Sigh, where to start? Firstly, no cycling club would go out on spin without wearing helmets. There are dumbasses on bikes the same as dumbass drivers on the mobile etc. Don't paint them all with the same brush. If you want to see a cycle lane done properly, have a look at the Dingle road out near lispole. Are you seriously suggesting cycles clubs pay for cycle lanes?? Seriously? Maybe take a look at how cycling is catered for by our European counterparts like the Dutch where cycling is seen as a viable alternative form of transport.

Yes but those using it as an alternative form of transport are those heading to work school or town on mountain bikes. The lanes as they are suit this type of cycling perfect and I'd imagine were designed with this in mind!!!! I've seen a few cyclists use the lanes as it is in this capacity.

The problem arises when cycling sports clubs and enthusiasts use it as a sporting/keep fit/recreational activity. It's clearly as stated many times before not suitable for this???

So why don't clubs invest money in conjunction with NRA to bring lanes to the standard they require. I don't think it's fair that the NRA and tax payer pump extra money into dedicated sporting cycle lanes so middle aged men and women can work off the few pounds they added on at Xmas.

If the NRA are expected to pay for this so it can be used as a sporting activity then why can't motor sport Ireland or athletics Ireland make some changes also so it can be used for there sport too.

If cycling clubs and enthusiasts are serious about there sport which has become hugely popular they will be looking at ways of investing in cycling tracks and velodromes to suit there needs not expecting the tax payer to go it for them.

Mrs Dempsey

traleespud wrote: »

........... It's clearly as stated many times before not suitable for this??? ..............

Clarity & repetion are different things.
Clarity & repetion are different things.
Clarity & repetion are different things.
Clarity & repetion are different things.;)


Clearly if I were to agree with you we would both be wrong.
Clearly if I were to agree with you we would both be wrong.
Clearly if I were to agree with you we would both be wrong.
Clearly if I were to agree with you we would both be wrong.:rolleyes:

Four wheels good, two wheels bad; four wheels good two wheels better & on it goes

traleespud

Mrs Dempsey wrote: »

Clarity & repetion are different things.
Clarity & repetion are different things.
Clarity & repetion are different things.
Clarity & repetion are different things.;)


Clearly if I were to agree with you we would both be wrong.
Clearly if I were to agree with you we would both be wrong.
Clearly if I were to agree with you we would both be wrong.
Clearly if I were to agree with you we would both be wrong.:rolleyes:

Four wheels good, two wheels bad; four wheels good two wheels better & on it goes

Point taken....... Subject now put to bed!!!!

RevBlueJeans

carchaeologist wrote: »

Yea, they seem to be positioned there to warn you of an approaching junction, and presumably if you are overtaking or considering it that you will pull in.
I don't like them because as mentioned they make you wonder what is going on the first time you see them.

In the UK they are also called switchback arrows. There is a lot of disussion on the boards over there regarding whether they are manditory or not.

Here is another example http://goo.gl/maps/jCN87 . Note again the arrow is in the centre and the head extends into the direction of travel. All together more sensible.

kingdumb

Firstly cycling is not an 'alternative' form of transport, just as a tractor is not an alternative to a car, they are all valid forms of transport and have equal rights to the road.

Actually out of all the forms of transports one can chose to travel the new road, the bike is the only one that the government are actively trying to encourage, I won't go into to why this is the case here.

Are you seriously suggesting that the cycling clubs pay for paths ? What about running clubs, the amount of people running around town is huge these days should they pay too ? I won't even ask what your view on those pesky freeloading cycle tourists is.

Also you do realise that cyclist pay taxes too, so they pay for the road just as much as drivers.

You seem to have some distaste for cyclists, maybe if you look at it this way. Be thankful that they are heading out to loses those few pounds and to keep fit and healthy, they are going to save the tax payer in health care costs !

traleespud wrote: »

The problem arises when cycling sports clubs and enthusiasts use it as a sporting/keep fit/recreational activity. It's clearly as stated many times before not suitable for this???

So why don't clubs invest money in conjunction with NRA to bring lanes to the standard they require. I don't think it's fair that the NRA and tax payer pump extra money into dedicated sporting cycle lanes so middle aged men and women can work off the few pounds they added on at Xmas.

If the NRA are expected to pay for this so it can be used as a sporting activity then why can't motor sport Ireland or athletics Ireland make some changes also so it can be used for there sport too.

If cycling clubs and enthusiasts are serious about there sport which has become hugely popular they will be looking at ways of investing in cycling tracks and velodromes to suit there needs not expecting the tax payer to go it for them.

adam88

Two young ones on the embankment near the IT yesterday throwing stones at passing cars from a great height