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Take Me Out - Irish Version [ATTN: Please read Mod Note in OP)
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FrostyJack wrote: »Yes you are mate. If you weren't, then the rant before the disclaimer has no basis. Not the first time you contradicted yourself in that post either
No I'm not mate, don't put words in my mouth, i'll distill it so you might better understand me- some of the girls in my view were rejecting guys that were either in their league or above their league - I just commented on that phenomenon, it wasn't a rant either.
Please go ahead and point out the so-called other contradictions in my post, oh and go ahead and offer us your own view while you're at it (on the lights out phenomenon rather than focusing solely on the tone of my posts)0 -
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Why are so many people from the show becoming members of boards to post on here and try to deflect the criticism, seems to me that the whole "we couldn't care less, we're only having a bit of craic" stuff is nonsense.
Don't go on a tv show if you are so hypersensitive that a few comments from strangers provokes your outrage.
Nobody is saying that girls should drop their standards or give a guy a chance who they don't fancy so your argument is fallacious
I think what a lot of people on here are saying is that the girls on the show don't seem very nice, attractive or intelligent and thus it is surprising that they reject a series of guys (to be fair some of the guys are oddballs too). To be fair it's in the nature of the show for the contestants to behave in asuperficial way but you'd have to question why people go on it and why they are chosen to go on it and no that "sure, it's a bit of craic" argument doesn't cover it.
Thus the conclusion is that nobody is saying that the gals whould go with a guy just to be nice, what we are saying is to be aware of your own "value" (for want of a better word)
If you are a hideous toad don't be expecting to kiss a prince anytime soon as you'll be waiting a while (although sometimes the guy will settle for a quick shag but no more than that)
Disclaimer: I'm not saying the gals on the show are hideous toads, I am using an extreme analogy to illustrate my point
Haha I didn't sign up to boards for this thread. I've read a bit but didn't want to post. Then when I saw people taking the 'male suicide' angle I had to say something to quell the madness. I also don't want to be 'one of the people from the show', I just felt I should state a vested interest in it. None of this has anything to do with whether or not I was on it.
The problem is people are complaining, then saying the result of a complaint, therefore it's easy to assume that you are saying that the result would not be there if not for the initial complaint. For example, if I said, "The government are killing the economy because they are bailing out the banks"...the inference would be that they should stop bailing out the banks to save the economy.
It's the exact same thing as saying, "Girls are fussy and that leads to male suicide". Except, when you see that argument laid out to you in leyman's terms, you're starting to realise that it's absolutely ridiculous and back-track.
Now...all that you're really arguing is, "I'm not saying the government SHOULDN'T bail out the banks. It's just surprising that they are when the country is in such a mess..."
It must be cold sitting on fences in this weather is it?
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It's the exact same thing as saying, "Girls are fussy and that leads to male suicide". Except, when you see that argument laid out to you in leyman's terms, you're starting to realise that it's absolutely ridiculous and back-track.
Now...all that you're really arguing is, "I'm not saying the government SHOULDN'T bail out the banks. It's just surprising that they are when the country is in such a mess..."
It must be cold sitting on fences in this weather is it?
finished? and perhaps the reason the government failed was because it was
controlled by... men? you're heading that way so i might as well say it for you.
so you agree then, that relationship problems, difficulties etc have had rubbish all to do with suicide, particularly amongst young men as it far exceeds female?
"Girls are fussy and that leads to male suicide"
theres a difference in saying 'that' and 'can' lead. it can be a factor within lets call it 'relationship difficulties' and to dismiss it is ignorance. likewise vice versa, can lead to female suicide or attempt to do it. brush it under the carpet there, cos really nobody wants to talk about it, just ignore it and call these people 'selfish' or perhaps 'shallow'?
i think we've seen enough shallow, superficiality on that tv show.0 -
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FrostyJack wrote: »As for the other posts relating suicide to Irish women, of course rejection can lead to depression of sorts but to put it as the main factor is ridiculous and especially relating it to the show, if it wasn't such a serious issue I would laugh.
Did you even read my post or are you just twisting my words around to strengthen your own stance on this? I said:
"I don't think people are suggesting that women should drop their standards or men will kill themselves, I don't think that it is as straight forward as that and there are many different factors to be taken into consideration".
Where in that quote do you see me suggesting that female rejection is the main factor in male suicide?
FrostyJack wrote: »If every guy who was ever rejected or embarressed threw themselves off a bridge I think this island would be male free fairly soon. Most of the suicide cases I know of personally ALL were going out with great girls so in those cases there must have been other major factors. This is going miles off topic.
Of course there are other major factors, nobody is disputing that fact, you even said yourself that rejection can lead to depression yet still deny that it has anything to do with it
It's like someone saying that junk-food is one of the factors in people becoming overweight. Then people arguing that they always eat McDonalds and aren't fat and they know loads of other people that eat lots of takeaways but are still of average weight. Well that's marvellous, but it still doesn't mean that people don't became fat or even obese by eating junk-food. Is junk-food the only factor in becoming overweight? Of course not, other factors like lack of exercise, slow metabolism, illness, hormones, etc can lead to becoming overweight so eating unheatlhy is just a part of it.
Okay that was just another example, it was obviously be picked apart like my 'farmers' one but at least posters are tying to make points and back them up in layman's terms with simple examples. I could have just stuck with the trend of this thread and said something like this:
"Yez wanna ta b bleenin' tick knot ta tink that fellez toppin' demselvz haz nuthin' got ta do wit youngwanz who are rejectin' dem coz dare 2 bleen' stuk up 4 dare owen gud. In uttr wurdz fah, bet down lookin' Irish burdz wood wanna cop da fuk on an kno dare roll in sosyity an chut dare bleen' gobs an stop actin' like dare Miss Bleen' Unneveress or sumtin.........coz dare far from it"!0 -
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Did you even read my post or are you just twisting my words around to strengthen your own stance on this? I said:
"I don't think people are suggesting that women should drop their standards or men will kill themselves, I don't think that it is as straight forward as that and there are many different factors to be taken into consideration".
Where in that quote do you see me suggesting that female rejection is the main factor in male suicide?
I would bother responding only you didn't bother to see that I wasn't talking to you in the first place, unless you are posting under 2 accounts
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FrostyJack wrote: »I would bother responding only you didn't bother to see that I wasn't talking to you in the first place, unless you are posting under 2 accounts
well if you were talking to me about the male suicide thing then I don't see why as I never mentioned it
again I say
I don't advocate anybody dropping their standards, what I do suggest is people get real and be aware of their "value".
To boil it down even more
a girl of 4/10 physical attractiveness has the right to reject anybody she wants.
If a girl of 4/10 attractiveness rejects a guy of 4/10 attractiveness or below then I will accept that and will not criticise her
If a girl of 4/10 attractiveness rejects a guy of 5/10 or even 6/10 attractiveness then I can even accept that although it strikes me as a lack of self-awareness on her part and perhaps being a victim of the hollywood syndrome and holding out for Mr. Wonderful (buying into slushy pop songs and rom-coms)
If she (4/10 girl) rejects a guy of 7/10 or above then she has the right to do that but I will openly criticise her for being delusional in terms of her own level of attractiveness and expectations in terms of finding a partner, she will be destined to be alone (except for maybe a few one night stands with high value males who have no intention of having a meaningful with her) and have to settle maybe for a 1/10 or 2/10 man when she is 35 and panicking about having kids
a very simplistic analysis but there you go
you see I want people to get with people, I am but a poor idealistic matchmaker who wants to unite the sexes (according to a pre-arranged rating system) and watch them blossom and grow
I want to end the bitterness caused by the delusions
the number of times I've heard a girl saying "the perfect guy was before my very eyes all the time" and "although I fancied him I was holding out for male model/stripper guy etc." and male model/stripper guy would usually sleep with her and dump her and then she'd go running to nice guy and realise she fancied him along and he was great but maybe by that stage he's bitter himself
this post is a mess, isn't it?
but trust every word as I am wise!0 -
FrostyJack wrote: »I would bother responding only you didn't bother to see that I wasn't talking to you in the first place, unless you are posting under 2 accounts
Well I am extremely privileged that you took time out of your very busy schedule to answer me even though, and yet again, you have made zero contribution to this discussion. Plus the fact that you are now even resorting to nit picking and making accusations shows that your arguments are weak and you cannot back up anything you say.
Also for your information, you said, and I quote: "As for the other posts relating suicide to Irish women". That was posts, as in plural, that you wrote and not post, as in singular, correct? Because if you said post then you would be referring solely to donfers but you said posts so that would mean anyone who commented on this topic.0 -
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I don't see how people can still type this stuff and not see how ridiculous they're sounding.
You're still arguing that females should drop their standards for the sake of protecting men from commiting suicide. Whether you like to word it that way or not...that's what you're arguing!
If I'm not...or you're not...attracted to someone, I shouldn't FORCE myself to be attracted to them for the sake of protecting their life.
If men feel suicidal because they're not attracting women then the onus is on them to change that...not the women to 'settle for less' to appease them. That brings with it its own set of problems. There's nothing wrong with a woman (or man) having high standards and doing what he/she can to uphold them.
i never argued anything of the sort, that they should drop their standards, biffo has though
you're blowing this thing way up0 -
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Its true to say in most cases people end up with people of an equal level of attractiveness... Attractiveness not always based solely on looks but on achievements, personality, success, intelligence etc. The only thing I find frustrating is watching guys walk out on that runaway on the show and appear to have no awareness of how what they say or do is going to affect there chances of getting the date. Women can turn down who they want - Just hate when they give reasons like the guy doing a sport etc and say, "when will he have time for me foley?" ... Also is sickening to see bunches of women salivating over the muscley stripper dude while ignoring other guys but thats just reality and one sided, because I know if I were there I would be swayed by a women having impressive "assets"
Can anyone tell me do the guys get any control over the editing of there video section? 0 -
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well if you were talking to me about the male suicide thing then I don't see why as I never mentioned it
again I say
I don't advocate anybody dropping their standards, what I do suggest is people get real and be aware of their "value".
To boil it down even more
a girl of 4/10 physical attractiveness has the right to reject anybody she wants.
If a girl of 4/10 attractiveness rejects a guy of 4/10 attractiveness or below then I will accept that and will not criticise her
If a girl of 4/10 attractiveness rejects a guy of 5/10 or even 6/10 attractiveness then I can even accept that although it strikes me as a lack of self-awareness on her part and perhaps being a victim of the hollywood syndrome and holding out for Mr. Wonderful (buying into slushy pop songs and rom-coms)
If she (4/10 girl) rejects a guy of 7/10 or above then she has the right to do that but I will openly criticise her for being delusional in terms of her own level of attractiveness and expectations in terms of finding a partner, she will be destined to be alone (except for maybe a few one night stands with high value males who have no intention of having a meaningful with her) and have to settle maybe for a 1/10 or 2/10 man when she is 35 and panicking about having kids
a very simplistic analysis but there you go
okay, so i wasnt gonna bother sayin anythin cuz ye get so worked up, but just read that there.....so here goes.....
if you have been watchin the show, kinda shows that EVERYONE has different taste,no one has the same taste!! Who I may think is a ' 9/10' the next girl may think is revolting,its down to personal taste!
Yes, I'm another girl from the show, got taken out, by one of the nicest guys I've ever met, and who I think is gorgeous, but saying that, I've been asked, by numerous people, what the hell I was thinkin!! And it's not a reflection on the guy at all, it's all down to personal taste. When people don't realise this, they shouldn't bother givin an opinion!!always remember,no one is the same and everyone is different and you can't blame them for that!!!:D:D0 -
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Wow this thread really has derailed, I feel kind of responsible.......oppsHmmm...well after the first episode, someone commented on the fact that these women were too fussy and said something along the lines of "no wonder so many Irish men commit suicide," to which i replied with something like "please don't suggest you could link the two."
I hope the poster wasn't thinking straight when he made that comment.
I said it and yes I was thinking straight, but not in context to the show which is just abit of fun more then anything. But in all seriousness I wouldn't blame a fella feeling suicidal after being rejected by 30 very average looking yokes that think that they are gods gift to mankind. At least on the English show some of the girls are absolutely stunning! Niamh C is the only stunner on the Irish show. Btw it would be interesting to see if the tables were turned and 30 blokes started to make comments on 1 female contestant like "I turned off my light because she has an arse like a hippo and she has a tash like me da". There would be blue murder!
But please, no more talk of suicide, with this weather and with the economy in the state it's in I think we could be putting ideas in some peoples heads 0
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