A Conspiracy I believe in, and it is happening right now!

digme

It's not a treasure hunt yekahs...

Yitzhak Rabin

digme wrote: »

It's not a treasure hunt yekahs...

Then why are you posting cryptic messages?

I genuinely didn't understand what it is you meant? Are you saying Ireland is going to strike next? Are you saying Portugal is the next country for a bailout (almost a certainty since 2 weeks ago)? Are you saying Spain is next?

gizmo

squod wrote: »

The point was made again on VB that we need to separate our private debt from our sovereign debt, now. We can handle the sovereign debt.

By whom as a matter of interest? I hope not Browne, I had forgotten how much I had grown to loath his populist ranting when I tuned in the other night to see Fitzgerald on his program.

That being said, I imagine the vast majority of the current fund will be used for the banks rather than the running of the country. Not long till we find out anyway I guess.

squod

gizmo wrote: »

By whom as a matter of interest? I hope not Browne, I had forgotten how much I had grown to loath his populist ranting when I tuned in the other night to see Fitzgerald on his program.

That being said, I imagine the vast majority of the current fund will be used for the banks rather than the running of the country. Not long till we find out anyway I guess.

No. Not VB, as if it matters who is right.

gizmo

squod wrote: »

No. Not VB, as if it matters who is right.

Of course it matters who said it, I assumed Browne since it's already been announced that the package will primarily be for the banks and as of late he hasn't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

caseyann

yekahs wrote: »

Elite are selling our sovereignty to protect Anglo & Irish Nationwide bondholders

This is an article by David McWilliams about a conspiracy that is happening right now about how our government is handing over our sovereignty to the mega rich elite. Please read it. I fully agree with all he has written in this article. The thing that sickens me most is, I don't even know what to do about it! :mad:



I'll write more tomorrow. Gotta sleep now.

I havent read through the whole lot just your post.
But i found this not sure if anyone else posted it yet,sorry if they did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWQ6LXhKmaE&feature=player_embedded

constance tench

This is not capitalism, it is not European diplomacy; it is a stitch-up.

This is only the first part of the terrible fantasyland we have been led into.
In order to get to the bottom of what is happening, we have to clear up a few things. First, we have to stop calling it a bailout. This isn't anything like a bailout. Rather it is the EU giving us enough rope to hang ourselves in the hope that we don't hang all of them.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-mcwilliams/david-mcwilliams-bailout-will-sink-ireland-before-we-can-even-swim-2442878.html

Bob_Latchford

My take on this bailout conspiracy is that if you end up in position that you might burn senior bond holders then the system is bent.

Like a casino manager who is skimming money from the owner. You might have bad run of very bad luck but there should always be enough house edge for a take for the owner. If there is no take for the owner the manager is skimming and skimming alot

So burning senior bond holders is admission that the Irish system is bent. hence no one will lend, hence no one is willing burn senior bondholders. The IMF have installed extra surveillance as none of the managers says its them

profitius

Bob_Latchford wrote: »

My take on this bailout conspiracy is that if you end up in position that you might burn senior bond holders then the system is bent.

Like a casino manager who is skimming money from the owner. You might have bad run of very bad luck but there should always be enough house edge for a take for the owner. If there is no take for the owner the manager is skimming and skimming alot

So burning senior bond holders is admission that the Irish system is bent. hence no one will lend, hence no one is willing burn senior bondholders. The IMF have installed extra surveillance as none of the managers says its them

Maybe the bondholders should take responsibility for whoever runs the show too. If the casino owner hired somebody who was stealing off him then that would be his problem.

Bob_Latchford

Dont worry Angela Merkel is on the case and has told the casino owners they need to take responsabilty for employing bent managers (after 2013) otherwise the casino customers get grumpy

squod

Bob_Latchford wrote: »

My take on this bailout conspiracy is that if you end up in position that you might burn senior bond holders then the system is bent.

Like a casino manager who is skimming money from the owner. You might have bad run of very bad luck but there should always be enough house edge for a take for the owner. If there is no take for the owner the manager is skimming and skimming alot

So burning senior bond holders is admission that the Irish system is bent. hence no one will lend, hence no one is willing burn senior bondholders. The IMF have installed extra surveillance as none of the managers says its them

You're connecting private and public debt. There should be no connection in this instance.

nlpete

Our political people have been duped and sold a bomb by people that are using a strategy that has been around a long time !

Why are we getting twenty mins of snow talk on our national news ! "Its Incredable" TWENTY !! And all the while we are slipping toward financial slavery.

This has been monitored and called by quite a few people for years now ! and we never listen.

We were so wrapped up in it all "even those that had doubts" and were told we should commit suicide for having doubts.

Our own leaders are calling them our masters already on the news.

YOU DONT BELIVE IT DO YOU !! "deep down inside you just want it all to go away".

It will be presented to you in a way you will accept. you've had your grooming for quite a while, and now your going to be a cash cow !

Are we about to reap what we have sown, how have we acted toward ourselves and others over the last while.

We can pay our debts ! We can work to do that and true patriots would be happy too. But we'll pay our debt !! Not some gambelers debt..that story is a con...a story...a set up

This is our country

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY !!

But the scoundrals and the scheemers must be hung out to dry or we will not escape their calculations to keep us as they do America ! in dept......

Pete

meglome

nlpete wrote: »

Our political people have been duped and sold a bomb by people that are using a strategy that has been around a long time !

Not to be the one to state the obvious but it was our political people who got us into this mess. We fúcked ourselves, how pathetic is that.

My name is URL

meglome wrote: »

Not to be the one to state the obvious but it was our political people who got us into this mess. We fúcked ourselves, how pathetic is that.

Just like the people who bought what they couldn't afford during the boom, the system was in place to allow them to do so. Irish banks borrowed what they couldn't realistically afford too, and the system allowed for them to do so also.

nlpete

The government never understood what was about to happen ! OR they were in on it, but either way we cant go down the ****ter because of a group of people that would fit into a mini van.

It goes back a ways !

But its the same all over the world. Spain and portugal are praying for us to do something here ! and so is the rest of the world.

Remmember lisbon !

We had the chance and we said NO !! But the powers that be applied presure and that became a yes.

Little david "Ireland" has one more chance to put a stone into the eye of Goliath "IMF, world bank,..Satan !.

Europe needs us...America needs us, Actualy the whole bloody globe !!

Our political people are not fully prepared or capable without us the citizens..they are afraid to stick their necks out.

But watch SF on you tube "speaking outside the gates"...this is very real.

There are videos there that you must see...that is the only place you will see us as the world sees us and hear the truth about all this.

RTE are soft ! they are supposed to be broadcasting for the nations benefit but they talk about snow and bla bla bla !!

Listen to Joe Higgins !

Im not saying you should support a political party or person you dont like.

Im saying support anyone who is trying to uncover this great tragedy and tell the truth.

FG are not capable of that...why ? they should be shouting from the rooftops..but they talk about a budget.

If this budget gets passed we are all finished, It doesnt matter who is in next they will have no power.

THIS MUST END NOW !

This stunt is being pulled all over ! not just Ireland But the world is watching us and our budget WHY !! because if this budget goes through the rest of europe will fall also...just like lisbon.we can make the difference.

The American ships have joined with Israiel and are mooving on Iran..

They have the green light from the bilderberg group and they are going to create some **** my friends.

The jews will rule the middle east and finish the resistance in the west bank...Yet more arms sales will re fuel the factorys and the jobs for those ready to take part " could it be you " civil unrest and non compliance will bring severe consequences to any who stand against.

Watch the world news people and just put the pieces together for yourself.

Peace out

Pete

meglome

My name is URL wrote: »

Just like the people who bought what they couldn't afford during the boom, the system was in place to allow them to do so. Irish banks borrowed what they couldn't realistically afford too, and the system allowed for them to do so also.

No doubt the system was broken, very broken.

sligopark

this is perhaps why lenihan and cowen betrayed us all ...

On September 29th, 2008, a momentous event occurred. That evening, four of the most senior executives of Ireland’s two largest high street banks, Dermot Gleeson and Eugene Sheehy of Allied Irish Bank (AIB) and Brian Goggin and Richard Burrows of Bank of Ireland (BOI), called to Government Buildings for a hastily convened meeting with the Prime Minister, Brian Cowen, and the Minister for Finance, Brian Lenihan. Also present was the Irish Attorney-General, Paul Gallagher.

The banksters were frantic. As the property bubble was beginning to burst, their main rival, Anglo Irish, was in serious trouble and the huge loss of liquidity could bring down the country’s entire financial system. Like Anglo Irish, AIB and BOI also had massive exposure to the developers and all were in danger of imminent collapse. The banksters implored the Government to do something, immediately, before the money markets opened the following morning.

Having received such stark news from the banksters, Cowen and Lenihan knew they had to move quickly and decisively. They would have to act, and be seen to act, without bias and without favouring any special interest groups. Their first duty was to ensure the welfare of the nation as a whole and to safeguard the financial interests of all the Irish people.

But in this they failed utterly. One special interest group, the banksters, prevailed spectacularly over the interests of the Irish people. How did the banksters manage to wield such inordinate influence over crucial governmental policy?

A key disturbing fact about this meeting was never commented upon in the mainstream media. On the government side of the table sat Paul Gallagher, the Attorney-General, legal adviser to the Irish Government. On the banksters’ side of the table sat Dermot Gleeson, the AIB chairman and himself a former Irish Attorney-General. But, apart from both men holding the senior law office of the land, a more sinister connection between them remained undisclosed. They were both Bilderbergers.

For those who haven’t heard of the Bilderbergers, they are a brotherhood of unelected international banksters, corporatists, politicians, and others who meet secretly every year to formulate and manipulate world policy in finance, economics, trade, and any other area that they can control for their own selfish, globalist interests.

It may well be that the presence of the two Bilderbergers, Gleeson and Gallagher, was just a coincidence but, considering such incredibly high stakes, it can be argued that Gallagher’s attendance as Attorney-General at such a crucial meeting generated a monumental conflict of interest. His Bilderberger connection clearly compromised him as legal adviser to the Irish Government, especially when his Bilderberger pal, Gleeson, was about to be on the receiving end of a whopping government bailout.

After a surprisingly short discussion with some members of the cabinet, the Attorney-General, and top civil servants, Cowen and Lenihan arrived at an ominous decision. They decided that the Government would guarantee all the liabilities of six Irish banks – not just customer and interbank deposits but also the full exposure of all bondholders! This amounted to some 450 billion euro, an astronomical figure which, if ever called upon, would destroy the country, and has.
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Another fiasco in the making, the brainchild of Lenihan and Cowen, is NAMA (National Asset Management Agency), set up to restore the banks’ balance sheets by buying their toxic loans to the tune of some €54 billion of taxpayers’ money.
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But Cowen and Lenihan seemed not to be focussed on what was good and efficacious for the people of Ireland but on how to save a few criminal banksters from incurring gigantic losses.

Before the bank guarantees, Ireland had a manageable sovereign debt. But after taking on the private debts of reckless, fraudulent banksters Cowen and Lenihan drove Ireland into insolvency. Interest on Irish government bonds rose dramatically and threatened to destabilise the Euro.

Uncertainty about Ireland’s ability to handle its deficit caused unrest in Portuguese and Spanish bond markets. There were concerns too about Belgium and Italy. The EU, fearful that panic and contagion would spread and collapse the Euro, bullied the Irish Government into taking a joint EU/IMF bailout. The high placed members of the self-serving Brussels elite were willing to impose hardship and needless austerity upon the people of Ireland in order to save their precious Euro and to preserve their positions of opulence and power.

The Irish economy per se did not need a bailout, but Irish banks did. The IMF does not lend to banks but only to sovereign countries. (That way, they can force a country to bleed its taxpayers to get their money back.) Cowen and Lenihan then proceeded to sell the idea of an EU/IMF loan to the country as a ‘rescue package’ for the Irish nation. This was a complete lie. It was a rescue package mainly for German, British, and French banks who had recklessly and greedily loaned billions to Irish banks during the Celtic Tiger boom.

David McWilliams, Irish economist, broadcaster, and writer, says of the IMF, ‘It is not here to bail us out; it is here to bail [the banks] out. The bailout is a bailout for the banks of Germany and France and the Irish taxpayer foots the bill. It is that simple. And where will the EU and IMF money come from? It will be borrowed from the very investment banks that will be bailed out. So they will get interest payments from us, in order that we pay for their mistakes.’

This view is echoed by Dr. Constantin Gurdgiev, adjunct lecturer in Finance at Trinity College, Dublin, who likens the ECB/IMF bailout to ‘corporate welfare’ (as opposed to social welfare). ‘It’s worse than corporate welfare, it’s corporate welfare with a massive moral hazard loaded on top. This is an undemocratic, corporatist transfer of wealth from ordinary citizens to a tiny group of people: bank bondholders…’

Just who are these precious bondholders that Cowen and Lenihan would bind and bankrupt the country in order to make up their ‘gambling’ losses?
Senator and presidential hopeful David Norris tried to read out their names under parliamentary privilege in the Irish Senate but was quickly silenced. It seems that Cowen and Lenihan and the Irish Government do not want the people to know that they have been put into debt slavery for the benefit of some of the wealthiest, most fraudulent banksters in the world. The names of these bondholders are now a matter of public record, thanks to investigative journalists like Guido Fawkes (www.order-order.com).
Some of the more familiar names among the four score or so major bondholders are Goldman Sachs, one of the most despised banks on Wall Street whose name is synonymous with greed, sleaze, and fraud. Max Keiser, broadcaster and former broker & options trader, says, ‘Goldman Sachs are scum. I mean that’s the bottom line.’

Keiser continues, with remarkable candour, ‘Just remember, Hank Paulson held Congress hostage, took them in the back room and said give us $700 billion or we’re gonna crash the market. He’s an arsonist; he’s an outlaw. And yet he’s given praise. If you go down the list, they’re all Goldman Sachs scum, whether it’s Hank Paulson, whether it’s Geithner…you know Geithner has very strong ties to Goldman Sachs…and of course all these banking bonuses are paid out to all their cronies who are Goldman Sachs scum.’

Another Anglo Irish Bank bondholder is the Rothschilds Bank, Zurich; the Rothschild family are reputed to have owned half the wealth of Europe a century and a half ago – how much do they own now? And most of the remaining bondholders are worth an accumulation of some twenty trillion euro. An Irish default would involve such an insignificant fraction of their wealth that it would hardly cause them to raise their eyebrows. Yet Cowen and Lenihan forced crippling debt upon the Irish people for many years to come in order to repay the banksters every single cent of their reckless investments.

One great irony amid all this debt and despair is the great wealth recently discovered in the gas fields off the west coast of Ireland. The Corrib gas field alone is reckoned to be worth well over €420 billion, enough to pay off all of Ireland’s debts and make the country vastly rich. According to the Petroleum Affairs Division there is even more gas and oil off the west coast, perhaps as much as 13 trillion euro or beyond, enough to make millionaires of every man, woman, and child in Ireland.

What did the Irish Government do with this €420 billion windfall from the Corrib field? They gave it away to Royal Dutch Shell for nothing. Yes, nothing! In an incredible move, the government cut the State’s share from 50% to zero on all its offshore oil and gas and abolished all royalties.

Why would they do such a crazy thing?

For an answer to that you’ll have to ask the then minister, Ray Burke, who was later convicted and jailed for political corruption on other matters.

Royal Dutch Shell, with its monthly revenues fluctuating between $25 billion and $45 billion, certainly doesn’t need the money as much as the Irish people do. Royal Dutch Shell is a key Bilderberg asset; its principal shareholder is Queen Beatrix of Holland, a long-time member of Bilderberg which was founded by her father, Prince Bernhard, a former officer of Hitler’s SS. Giving these plutocrats billions, and perhaps trillions, in oil and gas for absolutely nothing is criminally obscene and utterly enraging. These energy resources rightfully belong to the Irish people and it’s not for individual politicians, whether corrupt or incompetent, to give them away for nothing.

Looking forward, there will soon be a new government in Ireland. It is now time for the Irish people to take a firm stand. In the coming election campaign they must warn incoming government hopefuls that there HAS to be radical change. The criminal pledges of an outgoing government of traitors MUST be dismantled and consigned to the trash can, along with their authors. The people will not stand for more of the same old bullsh1t gombeen politics; they are in no mood for mealy-mouthedness or ineffectual tinkering with a failed system. They demand nothing less than clear, decisive, and even ruthless change. They demand leaders of integrity, innovation, and courage. And they demand a decent living for themselves, their children, and future generations yet unborn. There can be no going back!

Mr Plough

meglome wrote: »

No doubt the system was broken, very broken.

How does something become "very broken" ?

Is it, completely smashed into little bits like ..... ?

Or broken a few times ?

Maybe it's stamped upon.....

A few times......

Wrecked like...

profitius

Great piece there sligopark. It explains things very clearly.

It should be printed and delievered to as many houses as possible.

squod

Greens are in one hell of a rush to make us pay for their their bankster mates. Are they afraid that the next government will just give these criminals the two fingers?

gizmo

squod wrote: »

Greens are in one hell of a rush to make us pay for their their bankster mates. Are they afraid that the next government will just give these criminals the two fingers?

Well between the discovery that FF were going to vote against their Climate Change Bill and the hilariously inept handling of the leadership issue during the week they probably saw no reason to stay around and have the party hurt even more with it's association with the current shower of wasters.

fontanalis

profitius wrote: »

Great piece there sligopark. It explains things very clearly.

It should be printed and delievered to as many houses as possible.

I'd love him to explain how there's 400 billion off the coast!

fontanalis

nlpete wrote: »

The government never understood what was about to happen ! OR they were in on it, but either way we cant go down the ****ter because of a group of people that would fit into a mini van.

It goes back a ways !

But its the same all over the world. Spain and portugal are praying for us to do something here ! and so is the rest of the world.

Remmember lisbon !

We had the chance and we said NO !! But the powers that be applied presure and that became a yes.

Little david "Ireland" has one more chance to put a stone into the eye of Goliath "IMF, world bank,..Satan !.

Europe needs us...America needs us, Actualy the whole bloody globe !!

Our political people are not fully prepared or capable without us the citizens..they are afraid to stick their necks out.

But watch SF on you tube "speaking outside the gates"...this is very real.

There are videos there that you must see...that is the only place you will see us as the world sees us and hear the truth about all this.

RTE are soft ! they are supposed to be broadcasting for the nations benefit but they talk about snow and bla bla bla !!

Listen to Joe Higgins !

Im not saying you should support a political party or person you dont like.

Im saying support anyone who is trying to uncover this great tragedy and tell the truth.

FG are not capable of that...why ? they should be shouting from the rooftops..but they talk about a budget.

If this budget gets passed we are all finished, It doesnt matter who is in next they will have no power.

THIS MUST END NOW !

This stunt is being pulled all over ! not just Ireland But the world is watching us and our budget WHY !! because if this budget goes through the rest of europe will fall also...just like lisbon.we can make the difference.

The American ships have joined with Israiel and are mooving on Iran..

They have the green light from the bilderberg group and they are going to create some **** my friends.

The jews will rule the middle east and finish the resistance in the west bank...Yet more arms sales will re fuel the factorys and the jobs for those ready to take part " could it be you " civil unrest and non compliance will bring severe consequences to any who stand against.

Watch the world news people and just put the pieces together for yourself.

Peace out

Pete

So many words, so little said.

Jeboa Safari

Interesting to hear Enda Kenny refer to NAMA as being like a secret society, and we'll probably never know the real reasons for the Anglo decision. And anybody who is following the election will know Gerry Adams constantly refers to the 'golden circle' that exists at the top.

squod

M Martins emotions were in overdrive when Kenny suggested it was all FFs fault. Insisting furiously that FG supported the bail-outs also. Never seen that **** Martin get so emotional about anything.

nlpete

It is most obvious that the country needs a political correction regarding our position on and understanding of democracy.

Bickering between the top three simply keeps the most important subjects hidden by a smoke screen that we get sucked into.

Why are the german people of the opinion that the bailout they give us will never be payed back.

Why has the outgoing gov not told the nation nor the incomming gov about the true extent of the bank debts and unemployment estimates...how can this not be regarded as treason.

Why is the national broadcaster not reporting in a fair and equal mesure concerning the partys up for election.

why is there cctv video of a man stealing hub caps from a parked vehicle in the south west who is also a local candidate for one of the top two partys...I have not seen the video myself but heard this while canvassing in the area...I'll say no more until proven, but the video was shown to some local people at a local event.

Why are independants allowed hold the country to ransom until the gov throws them a local bone.

Gmo being forced into europe by the usa while the monsanto seed company is also developing a terminator gene to allow them to switch of the seed if nations will not comply with demmands.

Why is the front line reduction comming from essential services.

Why is the Imf broke and also allowed to go to the money markets with our money to borrow more for themselves...yet we can not.

Have you read the report by the argentinian ex minister for finance which warns us of their experience with the imf since 2001...check it out !

Why would it be so bad to follow the Icelandic model...it has worked.

What about our gas and oil...OUR GAS AND OIL !!!

Yitzhak Rabin

The government is still making secret deals with bondholders and are now paying back unguaranteed bank debt. There is no moral/legal or other obligation for paying this back. You don't have to be the biggest conspiracy nut to think the reason the government is paying 3/4 of a billion in unsecured debt is because there is a conspiracy of elites/ the oft mentioned "golden circle" behind it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtL06DVaZ00

Mary Hanafins continuing avoidance and squirming says it all...

GEO147

yekahS wrote: »

The government is still making secret deals with bondholders and are now paying back unguaranteed bank debt. There is no moral/legal or other obligation for paying this back. You don't have to be the biggest conspiracy nut to think the reason the government is paying 3/4 of a billion in unsecured debt is because there is a conspiracy of elites/ the oft mentioned "golden circle" behind it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtL06DVaZ00

Mary Hanafins continuing avoidance and squirming says it all...

Missed this one, so thanks for posting.

My god. It would make you ashamed to be Irish. We are so good at just letting evrything go. There is not 1 other country in the world where the payment of €750m of ungaranteed debt to god knows who, in a time of total economic crisis would not spark riots in the street.

In my opinion that payment was a bribe to keep people quiet about the real level of coruption that FF were engaged in. There is simply no other reasonable answer.

gizmo

yekahS wrote: »

The government is still making secret deals with bondholders and are now paying back unguaranteed bank debt. There is no moral/legal or other obligation for paying this back. You don't have to be the biggest conspiracy nut to think the reason the government is paying 3/4 of a billion in unsecured debt is because there is a conspiracy of elites/ the oft mentioned "golden circle" behind it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtL06DVaZ00

Mary Hanafins continuing avoidance and squirming says it all...

Wow, just ****ing wow. Either Hanafin is completely incompetent and was unable to provide a valid reason for this (entirely possible since by all accounts she's shown herself to be entirely incompetent) or some serious answers need to be sought for this.

EDIT: Seems to be a combination of the former and the fact that the word "senior" was omitted from the discussion. The only way this money wouldn't have been paid back is if SF's policy of "burning the bondholders" was enacted. As for the debate regarding whether that stance is sane, well that's for the Politics forum.

nlpete

Great post ! even though it hurts to watch it.

Is there no provision in this state for dealing with gov conspiricy and underhanded dealings.

Why are those present on that pannel unable to do anything about it ?

Surley those in power are not above the law and if a broker can be stripped of assets why not a person in gov.

How are we to defend ourselves from these people and those that work with them if there is nothing we can do about it.

This rabbit in the headlights analogy simply isnt good enough !! they are not rabbits and sean fitz and the bond holders did not drive their cars into gov buildings.

These people do not make mistakes...they do their job and get paid off, and calling it a mistake is not acceptable...and they have the cheek to come back and say their plan was working and get air time while other parties get sidelined.

For sure they are all in on it..and there are not enough brave people in this country to do anything about it nor laws to assist them.

What a sad picture we paint of ourselves before the world and we have the gaul to tell ourselves we are modern sophisticated first world citizens.

I truly wonder what really happened at the meeting between enda and merkel...did he roll up the trouser leg and trade his soul for a crown.

I wager he wont last the year ! I met him briefly some time ago and thought him better than his main opposition but weak at the back of it all...they will have him dancing like a circus bear.

I do also wish him luck..for the sake of the nation.

Roll up your sleves Ireland ! get out there and help each other. give a hand to the old and those in need..get the youth in a good frame of mind..let them see you care and they will too.

Love thy neighbour...its not taxable !!