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Can someone give me one good reason...

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    #32
    Ledger
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    Playing golf sober is worse :p


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    #33
    JohnathanM
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    OP is right. Shops should be allowed to sell alcohol at any time they like, and restricting access is not the solution to problems of its abuse. As others pointed out, people can always just stockpile. Down in my neck of the woods, the pubs open about mass time so in any case the only control on availability before noon on Sunday is where you can buy it. You'd almost think there was some sort of pub-owning vested interest at work...


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    #34
    flash1080
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    Fighting Irish wrote: »
    :rolleyes:



    :rolleyes:



    :rolleyes:

    :rolleyes:


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    #35
    ascanbe
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    flash1080 wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    :rolleyes:


    :rolleyes:


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    #36
    flash1080
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    ascanbe wrote: »
    :rolleyes:


    :rolleyes:

    :D

    lulz


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    #37
    southsiderosie
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    Can you buy cigarettes in Ireland before noon on Sunday? Just curious.


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    #38
    maggy_thatcher
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    southsiderosie wrote: »
    Can you buy cigarettes in Ireland before noon on Sunday? Just curious.

    Cigarettes don't have any nanny-state rules dictating when they can be purchased.


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    #39
    the_syco
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    I'd actually be tempted to stock up drink at 9am, and wait at the checkout until ten.


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    maggy_thatcher
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    the_syco wrote: »
    I'd actually be tempted to buy stock up drink at 9am, and wait at the checkout until ten.

    Why? All your doing then is inconveniencing both you and the shop, not the people responsible for the rule (the government & the lobbyists who want us to live by their moral code).


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    #41
    JohnathanM
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    maggy_thatcher wrote: »
    Why? All your doing then is inconveniencing both you and the shop, not the people responsible for the rule (the government & the lobbyists who want us to live by their moral code).

    Not necessarily. He will still have a couple of hours left to wait, so he could just hole up in a cozy corner and start drinking. You know, work up a nice buzz for the drive home.


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    #42
    strobe
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    Yeah it's fairly stupid and pointless alright. Non-catholics filling out the census properly instead of writing Catholic because that's what they've always done would be a help. These nonsense laws are in place in a large part because when the politicians look at the census they see 3.5 million catholics/voters and won't risk alienating that many potential voters by setting themselves in opposition to the church. There is no chance in hell there are that many actual Catholics in this country.

    So when the next census comes around sit down and think, first about whether or not you are actually a catholic (research it to find out what that actually means, not what you guess it means) and secondly about the real tangible effect that the RCC being able to claim to have the loyalty of and influence over the hearts and minds of the majority of the voters in the country has on the formation of government policy.
















    Or learn how to home brew, that's good to.


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    #43
    rubadub
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    up for anything wrote: »
    Why would you want to buy drink on a Sunday morning! :D Some people just can't get enough.
    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Why would you want to buy a drink on a sunday morning anyways?
    Many people like to go for a pint after work with their workmates. Contrary to the governments apparent understanding, not everybody in this country works 9-5 mon-friday. Some workers could be finished work early on sunday morning and fancy a pint, their waking/socialising hours could be very different from yours. Some publican might want to open his business to these customers, but our outdated laws make it illegal for him to do so.

    The opening hour laws were brought in during world war 1 to ensure workers were productive. The war is long over but these ridiculous laws still survive.

    Min wrote: »
    I don't get this obsession with alcohol.
    If it was illegal to buy/sell ketchup or cigarettes at certain times people would be questioning it too.


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    #44
    Min
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    krudler wrote: »
    Have you ever tried to watch golf sober?

    I am doing it now.

    I don't need alcohol to enjoy it.


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    #45
    Diabhal Beag
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    This thread turned out exactly as I predicted


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    #46
    Kintarō Hattori
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    Min wrote: »
    I don't get this obsession with alcohol.

    Neither do I, as I basically don't drink but the restrictions on when you can buy are a joke.


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    #47
    storm2811
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Theres also a million reasons you shouldn't drink at all. Your post smacks of smart arsedness. It doesn't suit you.

    ...
    MUSSOLINI wrote:
    Anyone else absolutely hammered now? You can still spell when you are drunk!


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    #48
    OutlawPete
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    People should be able to buy anything that is legal, WHENEVER the fcuk they want.


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    #49
    Ledger
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    This thread is about when you can buy drink. Not if you should drink or not. If you dont drink thats great for you, but dont come on here preaching your views to those of us who do enjoy a drink.


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    #50
    dan1895
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    Quick story. Went to the cinema after work the other night, came out of the movie fancying one or two scoops but was still in the work gear so really didn't want to go to the pub. A few cans are the answer, or so I thought until I realised it was 5 past 10.
    5 past bloody 10 and I can't buy a can to enjoy in the privacy of my own home.
    A few weeks ago it was still bright at 5 past bloody 10!!!!


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    #51
    southsiderosie
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    Min wrote: »
    I am doing it now.

    I don't need alcohol to enjoy it.

    I don't "NEED" alcohol to enjoy anything. But I'm an adult, and I see no reason why the government should restrict me from purchasing something that I have every legal right to buy.

    There is no religious reason to restrict alcohol (in Catholicism anyway); the fact that you can pretty much drink 24-7 in a Catholic country like Spain is testament to that.

    There is no health reason if cigarettes are available 24-7.

    Excessive drinking is not an excuse, as the UK has proved: binge drinking went UP after alcohol sales were restricted.

    Do I think the Irish have an unhealthy relationship with alcohol? Yes. However, I think they also have an unhealthy relationship with greasy salty horrible food, and I don't see anyone regulating kebab stands, curry chips, Taytos, or the million other items that contribute to obesity and unhealthiness.

    The restrictions on the sale of alcohol are absurd, and should be repealed immediately.


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    #52
    Snakeblood
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    DHYNZY wrote: »
    in respect for our Lord.

    But he's not my lord. :mad: I follow Barry from Eastenders.


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    #53
    Snakeblood
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Theres also a million reasons you shouldn't drink at all. Your post smacks of smart arsedness. It doesn't suit you.

    Your post wasn't engaging with what he's saying.


    Him saying 'Why can't I'

    Vs

    You saying 'Why would you want to'

    Why he wants to has nothing to do with it. It's not really your business why he would want to, but it's everyone's business about why he can't, because it affects everyone. Why he wants a drink doesn't affect you in the slightest.


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    #54
    Wertz
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    southsiderosie wrote: »

    There is no religious reason to restrict alcohol (in Catholicism anyway); the fact that you can pretty much drink 24-7 in a Catholic country like Spain is testament to that.

    It's not a religious thing: it's a control thing...


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    #55
    amen
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    what everabout Sunday, Saturday morning is worse. I have two young kids, always up early on Saturday so we do our weekly shop early on Saturday morning. Now if we have visitors coming we have to wait until 10:30am to buy a bottle of wine. Crazy idea. What real difference does it make to the public if I can buy at 10:00 or 10:30 am?

    Of course if I own a pub it means I can be open at 10:00 and have the punters in instead of going to Aldi. But for me its just an inconveiniance which I am sure it is for most people.

    What really gets me is the pubs that allow you to preorder and pay for your take out drink and if you don't want it you get your money back at the end of the day


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    #56
    flash1080
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    dan1895 wrote: »
    Quick story. Went to the cinema after work the other night, came out of the movie fancying one or two scoops but was still in the work gear so really didn't want to go to the pub. A few cans are the answer, or so I thought until I realised it was 5 past 10.
    5 past bloody 10 and I can't buy a can to enjoy in the privacy of my own home.
    A few weeks ago it was still bright at 5 past bloody 10!!!!
    Great story.

    Snakeblood wrote: »
    Your post wasn't engaging with what he's saying.


    Him saying 'Why can't I'

    Vs

    You saying 'Why would you want to'

    Why he wants to has nothing to do with it. It's not really your business why he would want to, but it's everyone's business about why he can't, because it affects everyone. Why he wants a drink doesn't affect you in the slightest.
    You're wrong there, "why he can't" doesn't affect me in the slightest.


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    #57
    Snakeblood
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    flash1080 wrote: »
    You're wrong there, "why he can't" doesn't affect me in the slightest.

    Actually, it does. Whether or not you choose to try to get a drink at that time, it's still your freedom that is reduced for no reason.

    Plus of course, you're here responding, so it obviously affected you to the point you're prepared to try and change it to some other question rather than either answer what he asked, or move on.


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    Min
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    The government could make it available 24/7, however they should raise the price of alcohol to cover the cost to the state - the cost to the health system, anti-social behaviour and close the Dáil bar as we can't afford overpaid drunk politicians.


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    maggy_thatcher
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    Min wrote: »
    The government could make it available 24/7, however they should raise the price of alcohol to cover the cost to the state - the cost to the health system, anti-social behaviour and close the Dáil bar as we can't afford overpaid drunk politicians.
    1. There is no evidence that permitting alcohol sales 24/7 would result in an increase in the consumption of alcohol.
    2. Rather than increasing the cost to cover the cost antisocial behaviour, wouldn't it be better to increase the penalties associated with that behaviour? Percentage income based penalties / punitive community service might encourage people to behave themselves. This way we can catch the anti-social non-drinkers without impacting the social drinkers.
    3. What kind of "health" costs are you talking about? The number one killer in this country is heart disease -- shouldn't we increase the cost of fatty foods before picking on alcohol yet again?


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    JohnathanM
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    Min wrote: »
    The government could make it available 24/7, however they should raise the price of alcohol to cover the cost to the state - the cost to the health system, anti-social behaviour...

    Drinkers in this country already pay a stupid amount in comparison with general EU rates. Banging up the price hasn't got us anywhere so far, and I don't see how that will suddenly change in the future. The whole culture is a mess, and allowing somebody to buy booze after their night shift on a Friday isn't going to make it worse. IMHO, if you want a solution we should look to change the culture, and improve the policing of and punishment for drunken behaviour.


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    Min
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    maggy_thatcher wrote: »
    1. There is no evidence that permitting alcohol sales 24/7 would result in an increase in the consumption of alcohol.
    2. Rather than increasing the cost to cover the cost antisocial behaviour, wouldn't it be better to increase the penalties associated with that behaviour? Percentage income based penalties / punitive community service might encourage people to behave themselves. This way we can catch the anti-social non-drinkers without impacting the social drinkers.
    3. What kind of "health" costs are you talking about? The number one killer in this country is heart disease -- shouldn't we increase the cost of fatty foods before picking on alcohol yet again?

    1. I am not saying it would lead to increased consumption, but do we want alcoholics having 24/7 access to it? I had an alcoholic come to my house begging for alcohol one morning, it is a terrible addiction and can ruin lives, I don't mind restrictions on it's sales, it is not banned so I don't see the problem.
    2. What amount is a social drink, it doesn't take much drink to be too much. A higher price might help make a social drink a bit healthier.
    3. Excessive alcohol consumption affects the heart and liver. http://www.irishheart.ie/iopen24/alcohol-heart-t-47.html


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