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Can a person die instantly without getting shot in the head?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭draylander


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVq1kvXaMMM
    All dead instantly!


    after 6:45 things go a bit .....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭Voodu Child


    Red Storm wrote: »
    The medulla oblongata i think is what your referring to, on the back of your head, just above where your head and neck join.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medulla_oblongata

    No, im referring to a place in a mans head, that if shoot it, it will blow up.

    I saw it in a police documentary..im a little fuzzy about the name though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭KeithM89_old


    Im no expert on killing people yet but a knife to the back of the neck is pretty sudden


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭Sheeps


    west side


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭jimthemental


    Well I know that in Call of Duty MW2 if you get stabbed in the toe it's instant. I don't put much stock in video games but I believe it's been scientifically proven to be true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    WARNING NSFW

    The first shot hits him in the abdomen, he's still alive, as soon as the bullet hits his head its lights out, now he could still be alive just unconscious due to trauma, impossible to tell if he's instantly dead.
    Im willing to bet he died soon after anyways....

    In short, DONT GET SHOT.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Od2BkR6rFU&feature=related


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    seamus wrote: »
    Probably that, but there are a number of other reasons too:

    1. General confusion over the location of the heart. Is it on the left, in the middle, where is it? There's not that much confusion over the location of your brain. That said, a large number of people have managed to "miss" their brain and simply shoot themselves in the side of the face or out the back of their lower skull.

    2. Protection: Your heart is mostly protected by ribs and a big feck off sternum. A pistol may not have the punch necessary to go through this and sufficiently damage your heart. Owies-ville. Your brain on the other hand is vulnerable through the roof of your mouth, no protection.

    3. Practicality - take a shotgun and try to hold it steady, horizontally, pointing towards your chest and with your thumb on the trigger. Now stick the barrels into your mouth, pointing upwards. Infinitely easier. A pistol too you can hold in the traditional way while pointing towards the roof of your mouth.

    In reality, unless your brain is vaporised, crushed or split into chunks then there's no way that we can say someone was killed "instantly". People have managed to remove portions of their brain with a bullet and live to tell the tale, so we've no reason to think that a fatal bullet in the brain doesn't give a couple of seconds of consciousness before expiring. Experiments done in the 16th or 17th century on guillotined convicts proved fairly conclusively that they head does survive independently of the body after being removed. For a couple of seconds anyway.

    Any other form of death - massive embolisms, massive heart attacks, aortic aneurysms - will result in a very quick death (matter of seconds) but it's doubtful that you're gone instantly.

    Contrary to what FPS's would teach us, a headshot does not necessarily result in guaranteed or instant death.

    just would like to say thanks for responding so clearly. i respect that post a lot.

    i'm just not sure if point number one could really be considered valid. i've just finished the junior certificate science course so i wouldn't consider myself a BIOLOGY EXPERT by any means but surely the heartbeat tells you exactly where the heart is? and even if there was doubt there, it wouldn't be that hard to just google and find out. unless common sense has betrayed me and our heartbeats are actually incredibly misleading and they don't actually pinpoint the exact location of the heart. if you could clarify, that would be nice.

    oh god, yeah they do. it's a pretty big decision to make (not whether or not to yourself in the head, i'm not that thick). i mean, 'should i aim the gun at the side of my head and pray that i shatter my skull?' or 'will i let the bullet go upwards through my mouth?' the success ratio (especially if you have shaky hands!) doesn't really sound very high when you put it like that.

    also would like to add that the 'practicality' factor could easily be the 'help me extinguish fear' factor as well! pointing a gun at your heart is a pretty climatic, dramatic way to go - if you're looking at what you're doing, you're bound to be somewhat terrified. jamming a gun into your mouth, however, seems to be a much more determined route to take. as if it's the definite end-game, i guess.

    anyway, excuse my nitpicking. thanks for your post again! i found it to be a very informative read.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 722 ✭✭✭Rycn


    jugger0 wrote: »
    WARNING NSFW

    The first shot hits him in the abdomen, he's still alive, as soon as the bullet hits his head its lights out, now he could still be alive just unconscious due to trauma, impossible to tell if he's instantly dead.
    Im willing to bet he died soon after anyways....

    In short, DONT GET SHOT.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Od2BkR6rFU&feature=related
    For fuck sake man.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    I thoughtthis thread would have more input from wargamers and airsofters.


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    Buying a house is instant debt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Rycn wrote: »
    For fuck sake man.

    If you think him posting that is bad, read the comments under the vid. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭aoshea83


    I'm sure a now banned former poster would have posted:

    'A kick to the head would kill'

    :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Royal Irish


    There is no way to take a life instantly. A shot to the heart, or head doesnt kill instantly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Degsy wrote: »
    I thoughtthis thread would have more input from wargamers and airsofters.
    I'm sure there will be once they've finished they're dinner and done all their homework. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭google faps


    CorkMan wrote: »
    I was reading a Notorious B.I.G biography, and it said he got shot in the chest and stomach. Puff Daddy ran to him seconds later but by then saw a blank stare in BIGs eyes and he was slumped over.

    I thought only a head shot would mean instant death?

    EDIT: I am referring exclusively to gunshot/stab wounds. Not far off mfethods which would obviously mean death. (bombs, run over by a truck, hit by a train, etc)
    I read that as Nostradamus BIG.
    :o

    I'd imagine puff daddy ran over and immediately thought, how do I turn this into an instant chart topper.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    There was a second shooter in the grassy (beyonce) knolls.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭foxinsox


    Faith+1 wrote: »
    I wonder how long it takes to die after you eat your own head?:confused:

    You made me spew coffee on my laptop!!!

    Cheers :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    An RPG or a tank shell to the body, Bad company 2 style.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    Off the top of my head, decapitation can kill instantly.

    It doesn't actually. People executed during the guillotine years were know to blink and change facial expression after the head was cut off.

    Edit, just noticed you said "can" and not "decapitation kills instantly".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭Star Bingo


    surprised a thread of this title/motivation has not bn derided and closed :o yet it gathers pace. brain taxing stuff, can you die instantly via knife or gun. something to pick apart and dwell on

    taking a bullet is a skill indeed. something to be in awe of where musical ability is lacking, how bout a spate of copycat deaths from fans of these absolute mugs


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    Tupac was hot in the head first time around also and lived for two more years before somebody shot him again.

    Well it wasn't a vital organ!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭empirix


    I heard he got shot by the cops, apparently he wouldn't stop going to the Dunkin donuts, cops were stuck with regular sandwiches, didn't go down well with them!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭Star Bingo


    fontanalis wrote: »
    Well it wasn't a vital organ!

    n it certainly wasn't a musical organ


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭empirix


    fontanalis wrote: »
    Well it wasn't a vital organ!

    and this Tupac chap was shot by the brothers who said he was always in the tattoo shop and they found it hard to get an appointment, apparently he was a selfish git! word


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭empirix


    Star Bingo wrote: »
    n it certainly wasn't a musical organ

    word


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭Star Bingo


    empirix wrote: »
    word

    which amounts to their musical ability

    black culture used to be about astounding musicians, wtf happened? yes there's more dimwits in life to appeal to, thus greater market to tap into therefor mo' money, but come on!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Decapitation like the guillotine may not be instant like you said. One experiment in the late 1800 is france seemed to show that its not and it was more like 30 seconds not 10 where there was some conscious brain activity. :eek::eek:

    I'd imagine it's to do with the adrenaline - you'd know whats coming, the fear would cause an adrenaline surge which would put everything into overdrive, brain gets loads more oxegen...allows the above to happen. More than likely wouldn't happen in an unexpected decapitation


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    Star Bingo wrote: »
    which amounts to their musical ability

    black culture used to be about astounding musicians, wtf happened? yes there's more dimwits in life to appeal to, thus greater market to tap into therefor mo' money, but come on!

    Yeah, the whole Gangsta Rap thing is lost on me. It feeds into every negative stereotype and using the word ****** isn't empowering it's scummy. Martin Luther King must be rolling in his grave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Overheal wrote: »
    He could have been knocked cold from the trauma, but without a pulse, probably went braindead minutes later.
    I could, but I won't..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    CorkMan wrote: »
    He used a "blue steel 9-millimeter semi-automatic".
    Yeah blue steel will get ya every time:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    OP - not trying to scare but taking a long, stressful, straining dump on the sh1t seat can kill you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭dubtom


    Well according to The Movies,if you grasp the victims neck with both hands, snapping it swiftly left or right,a loud cracking sound will be heard by all and the victim will die instantly, The Movies don't lie.

    On a side note, I once,many years ago, rented a video ironically about death,and the many ways to achieve same. In one clip, filmed I think in an Eastern country, like Iraq, a whole village of people took turns at firing an AK 47 at some guy who had commited an offense in their eyes. He lay on the ground and they formed a Q,each firing a few into him. After about twenty people had fired he was still alive, even though he had been shot loads of times in the head,so much so in fact,his face collasped. The scene went on for several minutes,the victim lying there and groaning as they continued to shoot.
    True story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭Sheeps


    jugger0 wrote: »
    WARNING NSFW

    The first shot hits him in the abdomen, he's still alive, as soon as the bullet hits his head its lights out, now he could still be alive just unconscious due to trauma, impossible to tell if he's instantly dead.
    Im willing to bet he died soon after anyways....

    In short, DONT GET SHOT.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Od2BkR6rFU&feature=related

    that owns so hard


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭Sheeps


    if you were the guy who shot him youd be like boom headshot


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    I got shot in the head **** last night


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    A lot of "dying instantly" is also down to the ammunition and gun used to fire it. A 7.62mm round from an AK47 has immense stopping power and can cause massive internal damage. Take one of those rounds to the head and a third of its contents will leave with the exiting bullet. Same goes for a 5.56mm from the likes of an M4 Carbine but it has considerably less kinetic energy and will result in less damage, but almost certain death if hit in the head.

    Pistol ammunition you have the greatest chance of surviving, but only in terms of damage to tissue caused. 9mm and other fast moving, comparitively smaller caliber rounds can induce hydrostatic shock, which actually causes hemorrhaging in the brain, even if you are hit in the abdomen. The round hitting your body and internal tissue causes massive pressure to buildup inside your blood vessels causing damage in the brain.

    This occurs nearly instantly and is probably mistaken for instant death in a lot of cases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭sheesh


    if he was shot in the heart it might lead to a sudden loss of blood pressure and that would lead to instant loss of consciousness and death farily quickly afterwards


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭sheesh


    A lot of "dying instantly" is also down to the ammunition and gun used to fire it. A 7.52mm round from an AK47 has immense stopping power and can cause massive internal damage. Take one of those rounds to the head and a third of its contents will leave with the exiting bullet. Same goes for a 5.56mm from the likes of an M4 Carbine but it has considerably less kinetic energy and will result in less damage, but almost certain death if hit in the head.

    Pistol ammunition you have the greatest chance of surviving, but only in terms of damage to tissue caused. 9mm and other fast moving, comparitively smaller caliber rounds can induce hydrostatic shock, which actually causes hemorrhaging in the brain, even if you are hit in the abdomen. The round hitting your body and internal tissue causes massive pressure to buildup inside your blood vessels causing damage in the brain.

    This occurs nearly instantly and is probably mistaken for instant death in a lot of cases.

    that was on the discovery channel today:D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    Theres a wiki page on hydrostatic shock, its bizarre the stuff people research!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    A lot of "dying instantly" is also down to the ammunition and gun used to fire it. A 7.52mm round from an AK47 has immense stopping power and can cause massive internal damage. Take one of those rounds to the head and a third of its contents will leave with the exiting bullet. Same goes for a 5.56mm from the likes of an M4 Carbine but it has considerably less kinetic energy and will result in less damage, but almost certain death if hit in the head.

    Pistol ammunition you have the greatest chance of surviving, but only in terms of damage to tissue caused. 9mm and other fast moving, comparitively smaller caliber rounds can induce hydrostatic shock, which actually causes hemorrhaging in the brain, even if you are hit in the abdomen. The round hitting your body and internal tissue causes massive pressure to buildup inside your blood vessels causing damage in the brain.

    This occurs nearly instantly and is probably mistaken for instant death in a lot of cases.

    Dont you mean 7.62?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    Apologies, touch typing in a dark room.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    Another NSFW

    Cant believe they show these on youtube! pretty much instant death...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHOdCo66Tyk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    He got peppered!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    there are cases of people being splashed with molten lead/lava and dieing instantly of shock


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    Another inane thread started by the OP... He's got a lot of time on his hands.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭LukeQuietus


    I think having an anvil fall on you would kill you instantly. But would make children laugh.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭SuperInfinity


    TC, I had exactly the same thought as you before and after thinking about it I became convinced that it is impossible to die instantly from anything but a headshot (and even a headshot may not cause instant death... you can be braindead without being totally dead).

    So all those movies and computer games where you see a guy being shot in the stomach/chest (or leg even worse) and falling down instantly dead are a lie. The Aztecs used to even have enough time to rip out the heart of the man and show it to him before he died, so it's not like your brain or other organs can't go a little bit without a full blood supply.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    TC, I had exactly the same thought as you before and after thinking about it I became convinced that it is impossible to die instantly from anything but a headshot (and even a headshot may not cause instant death... you can be braindead without being totally dead).

    So all those movies and computer games where you see a guy being shot in the stomach/chest (or leg even worse) and falling down instantly dead are a lie. The Aztecs used to even have enough time to rip out the heart of the man and show it to him before he died, so it's not like your brain or other organs can't go a little bit without a full blood supply.

    You would more then likely fall down instantly, you might not die instantly but at the end of the day guns are very good at killing people.


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