Can a person die instantly without getting shot in the head?

CorkMan

I was reading a Notorious B.I.G biography, and it said he got shot in the chest and stomach. Puff Daddy ran to him seconds later but by then saw a blank stare in BIGs eyes and he was slumped over.

I thought only a head shot would mean instant death?

EDIT: I am referring exclusively to gunshot/stab wounds. Not far off methods which would obviously mean death. (bombs, run over by a truck, hit by a train, etc)

Glico Man

Shot to the heart would kill you instantly I would think

starbelgrade

There are lots of ways you can die instantly that don't involve being shot in the head.

Spontaneous combustion would be one of them.

KeithM89_old

Fairly sure a Nuclear blast would mean instant death...

Notorious97

Biggie was shot a few times, i remember reading Lil Cease saying he could smell urine and all so he knew he was dead more or less within minutes. In before people start abusing him on this forum lol, seeing as its the person i named myself after on boards

SV

Shot through the back of the neck severing the final link to the CNS would also kill instantly.
Otherwise, then no.

Even a shot to the heart wouldn't kill you instantly, it would be quite quick..but not instant.

Pauleta

Id say it will take a couple of seconds to die from a shot to the heart (and you're to blame, you give love a bad name du du du du ) Sorry . I would say a shot to the back of the neck on the spinal cord could do the job.

Phill Ewinn

Off the top of my head, decapitation can kill instantly.

It wasn't me!

Shooting to vital organs is quick, but by no means instantaneous, whether it be brain or cardio-pulmonary system. Now, it may be quick enough that for all intents and purposes, it could be described as such, but in actual fact, there's no such thing.

bonerm

aaronh007 wrote: »

Shot to the heart would kill you instantly

It also gives love a bad name.

stovelid

CorkMan wrote: »

Puff Daddy ran to him seconds later but by then saw a blank stare in his BIGs eyes and he was slumped over.

Bring a tear to the eye, one must admit.

We were that close to having two-for-the-price-of- one.

stovelid

bonerm wrote: »

It also gives love a bad name.

This is one of those posts that you just wish so bad that it was one of your own.

Overheal

CorkMan wrote: »

I was reading a Notorious B.I.G biography, and it said he got shot in the chest and stomach. Puff Daddy ran to him seconds later but by then saw a blank stare in his BIGs eyes and he was slumped over.

I thought only a head shot would mean instant death?

EDIT: I am referring exclusively to gunshot/stab wounds. Not far off methods which would obviously mean death. (bombs, run over by a truck, hit by a train, etc)

He could have been knocked cold from the trauma, but without a pulse, probably went braindead minutes later.

Sykk

Poor Corkman.

Notorious97

stovelid wrote: »

Bring a tear to the eye, one must admit.

We were that close to having two-for-the-price-of- one.

They were in two different cars when Biggie got shot. Puff Daddy had to run out and up to Bigs car. Theres amateur footage on youtube of somebody filming biggie leaving, and they follow his car on camera but arent quick enough turning it around but you hear the shots and all.

In other news Tupacs still alive lol :pac:

NothingMan

aaronh007 wrote: »

Shot to the heart would kill you instantly I would think

stovelid wrote: »

This is one of those posts that you just wish so bad that it was one of your own.

It was also posted a few postes above by Pauleta, albeit in a slightly different way. I thanked her instead.

abouttobebanned

stovelid wrote: »

This is one of those posts that you just wish so bad that it was one of your own.

And this is one of those posts that you wish so bad was made about one of your own

stovelid

NothingMan wrote: »

It was also posted a few postes above by Pauleta, albeit in a slightly different way. I thanked her instead.

I've spent my thanks. I'm too old to go a second time so soon.

bonerm

NothingMan wrote: »

It was also posted a few postes above by Pauleta, albeit in a slightly different way. I thanked her instead.

Yeah in fairness that guy got there first. Didn't see it myself. I have have a habit of not reading anything other than the OP and trickles from my own posts.

Red_Marauder

Cutting the twinned carotid arteries and nerves would effectively kill you immediately (they're the bits that stick out in Deirdre Barlow's neck when she's angry). It's how animals are killed for Muslim Halal - bloody but very humane.

Trauma to the heart, in theory, would be a slower more painful death.

Degsy

Hydrostatic shock will kill you even if the round doesnt enter a vital area.

Besides the man was grossly overweight...his heart probably stopped when he heard the shots.

CorkMan

Degsy wrote: »

Hydrostatic shock will kill you even if the round doesnt enter a vital area.

Besides the man was grossly overweight...his heart probably stopped when he heard the shots.

He was 28 stone when he was shot. 6'3 in height.

jugger0

What caliber ammunition was used? 7.62 to the chest would end you pretty quick.

CorkMan

He used a "blue steel 9-millimeter semi-automatic".

Degsy

CorkMan wrote: »

He was 28 stone when he was shot. 6'3 in height.

Fat cnunt..no danger of the hitman missing!

Wertz

Overheal wrote: »

He could have been knocked cold from the trauma, but without a pulse, probably went braindead minutes later.

There's them that would've said he was braindead long before the bullet ever left the chamber. Not me though. *makes gang signs*

Fairly sure that crush injuries from a large falling object with a lot of mass/momentum will kill instantaneously. Large enough electrical discharge will kill outright as well.

bonerm

CorkMan wrote: »

He was 28 stone when he was shot. 6'3 in height.

The fall probably killed him.

Degsy

bonerm wrote: »

The fall probably killed him.

What,you mean the band?

Was Mark Smith questioned?

danniemcq

CorkMan wrote: »

I was reading a Notorious B.I.G biography, and it said he got shot in the chest and stomach. Puff Daddy ran to him seconds later but by then saw a blank stare in BIGs eyes and he was slumped over.

Jesus man spoiler warnings...

Blazer

danniemcq wrote: »

Jesus man spoiler warnings...

there's a statute of limitation
http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/215535297_B2j5j-L-2.jpg

Faith+1

I wonder how long it takes to die after you eat your own head?

cynder

even being shot in the head does not guarantee instant death, one guy tried it and the bullet ricocheted out his eye.

i think top marks for squishing (crushing like a 10 ton weight being dropped on your head).

also some car crashes have resulted in instant death

being blown apart by a big bomb in close proximity or a really big bomb and not immediate area (like a nuke)

breaking the neck (a proper break)

decapitation (even though some say the head can still be alive up to 10 seconds after ) i dont wanna try it to find out.....

if you want a little laugh

http://flashpasteurized.blogspot.com/2010/01/touching-wires-causes-instant-death.html

Voodu Child

grindelwald wrote: »

even being shot in the head does not guarantee instant death, one guy tried it and the bullet ricocheted out his eye.

Yeah but I heard that there's a place in your head where if you shoot it at the exact right spot, your head explodes.

cynder

Voodu Child wrote: »

Yeah but I heard that there's a place in your head where if you shoot it at the exact right spot, your head explodes.

you wanna try????

thought not

I think massive heart attack and blood clots are in there too, along with a massive overdose of an opium based drug. i think that a massive dose of insulin would result in a quick death,

This is so morbid why are we talking about it?

think you should take up biology and then get a job in a clinic in switzerland.

Wertz

Faith+1 wrote: »

I wonder how long it takes to die after you eat your own head?

Go for it. We'll time you.

waffleman

Faith+1 wrote: »

I wonder how long it takes to die after you eat your own head?

If you put your mind to it I'm sure you could find out**




**I'll get my coat

Scuid Mhór

aaronh007 wrote: »

Shot to the heart would kill you instantly I would think

i always wondered why people who murder themselves on television shows/in books don't shoot their hearts but instead go for the head. stronger imagery or a misconception that a shot through the temple is the only foolproof way to go?

Tandey

Sure wasn't 50 cent shot 9 times hardy cnut that lad and even got shot in the face and is alive to this day lol

SeaFields

I is no doctor person but i imagine as long as there is oxygenated blood in your brain you would be aware of whats happening around you (as long as you dont fall unconscious). I suppose there is a blury line between truama that causes you to fall unconscious instantly but your technically still alive for a bit and actually being dead instantly.

/what a morbid fcuking post :eek:

Wibbs

grindelwald wrote: »

even being shot in the head does not guarantee instant death, one guy tried it and the bullet ricocheted out his eye.

Yea and even a shot to the base of the brain, might not be instant. It could look like it, but to the person may not feel like it. It might depend on the calibre too. A bigger round would also cause a massive trauma causing instant coma I would have thought.

i think top marks for squishing (crushing like a 10 ton weight being dropped on your head).

also some car crashes have resulted in instant death

Massive blunt force trauma that destroys the entire pain feeling mechanism kinda thing

breaking the neck (a proper break)

decapitation (even though some say the head can still be alive up to 10 seconds after ) i dont wanna try it to find out.....

Or mix both like in a judicial long drop hanging. It's essentially an internal decapitation, but the sudden shock at the end would likely render the person instantly into a deep coma. A neck break on its own may not.

Decapitation like the guillotine may not be instant like you said. One experiment in the late 1800 is france seemed to show that its not and it was more like 30 seconds not 10 where there was some conscious brain activity. :eek::eek:

1 large calibre round to the heart that ripped it apart would be pretty instant though. Under 10/20 seconds anyway.

Tandey

SeaFields wrote: »

I is no doctor person but i imagine as long as there is oxygenated blood in your brain you would be aware of whats happening around you (as long as you dont fall unconscious). I suppose there is a blury line between truama that causes you to fall unconscious instantly but your technically still alive for a bit and actually being dead instantly.

/what a morbid fcuking post :eek:

AYYYEEEEE Ali G

seamus

Giant Squid wrote: »

i always wondered why people who murder themselves on television shows/in books don't shoot their hearts but instead go for the head. stronger imagery or a misconception that a dhot through the temple is the only foolproof way to go?

Probably that, but there are a number of other reasons too:

1. General confusion over the location of the heart. Is it on the left, in the middle, where is it? There's not that much confusion over the location of your brain. That said, a large number of people have managed to "miss" their brain and simply shoot themselves in the side of the face or out the back of their lower skull.

2. Protection: Your heart is mostly protected by ribs and a big feck off sternum. A pistol may not have the punch necessary to go through this and sufficiently damage your heart. Owies-ville. Your brain on the other hand is vulnerable through the roof of your mouth, no protection.

3. Practicality - take a shotgun and try to hold it steady, horizontally, pointing towards your chest and with your thumb on the trigger. Now stick the barrels into your mouth, pointing upwards. Infinitely easier. A pistol too you can hold in the traditional way while pointing towards the roof of your mouth.

In reality, unless your brain is vaporised, crushed or split into chunks then there's no way that we can say someone was killed "instantly". People have managed to remove portions of their brain with a bullet and live to tell the tale, so we've no reason to think that a fatal bullet in the brain doesn't give a couple of seconds of consciousness before expiring. Experiments done in the 16th or 17th century on guillotined convicts proved fairly conclusively that they head does survive independently of the body after being removed. For a couple of seconds anyway.

Any other form of death - massive embolisms, massive heart attacks, aortic aneurysms - will result in a very quick death (matter of seconds) but it's doubtful that you're gone instantly.

Contrary to what FPS's would teach us, a headshot does not necessarily result in guaranteed or instant death.

Iron Hide

Voodu Child wrote: »

Yeah but I heard that there's a place in your head where if you shoot it at the exact right spot, your head explodes.

The medulla oblongata i think is what your referring to, on the back of your head, just above where your head and neck join.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medulla_oblongata

Notorious97

Tandey wrote: »

Sure wasn't 50 cent shot 9 times hardy cnut that lad and even got shot in the face and is alive to this day lol

Tupac was hot in the head first time around also and lived for two more years before somebody shot him again.

Mr Benevolent

What is this piss? Who gives a shit about some made-up gangster?

Tandey

Notorious97 wrote: »

Tupac was hot in the head first time around also and lived for two more years before somebody shot him again.

I reckon fiddy was shot maybe 4/5 times but just added a few extra ones in there when he became a good rapper, ive seen him on Jonathan Ross and only ever seen him show about 3 bullet wounds, just my theory.

Notorious97

Tandey wrote: »

I reckon fiddy was shot maybe 4/5 times but just added a few extra ones in there when he became a good rapper, ive seen him on Jonathan Ross and only ever seen him show about 3 bullet wounds, just my theory.

Lol i don’t know if he made it up, i know after the one in the side of the face he sounds alot different rapping, but could have added a fewin for good measure im sure!

azezil

To quote the Borg: "Biological organism: Human. Sever spinal cord below third vertebrae. Death is immediate."

Dublin_Gunner

Pretty sure a hatchet or any other implement like a sword or even a javelin through the skull would be fairly instantaneous.

Grenade beside head too.

Massive trauma to the head by something like a large weight dropped or a hammer blow etc could also be potentially instantaneous.

I would imagine massive heart trauma like a gunshot or stabbing etc would not result in instant death - at least no more instant than decapitation - probably would survive longer due to the blood not being able to leave the brain as quickly.

humanji

I think it was Steven Wright who said: "We all die instantly. You're alive. You're alive. You're alive. You're dead." So the answer to the OP would be yes.

Wibbs

seamus wrote: »

People have managed to remove portions of their brain with a bullet and live to tell the tale, so we've no reason to think that a fatal bullet in the brain doesn't give a couple of seconds of consciousness before expiring. Experiments done in the 16th or 17th century on guillotined convicts proved fairly conclusively that they head does survive independently of the body after being removed. For a couple of seconds anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine#Living_heads

The diffs would come from the track of the bullet and calibre I'd reckon. In the case of the guillotined head the brain itself is untruamatised and has all its apparatus functioning. So in the case of being guillotined you'd probably first feel like your falling(your inner ear would signal that) and you would try to brace your fall with your hands, but you'd have no arms, then the O2 still kicking around in your head would keep you conscious for a few seconds, depending on the individual and youd probably feel pain from the severed neck too. Nasty. I remember reading of some tribe or other who would attach the condemneds head to a springy sapling, so that when they chopped the head off it would feel like the person was flying to heaven. Nasty again. :eek:

With a large calibre round or a shotgun, the apparatus of the brain itself would be damaged instantly so much less chance of conscious thought. Particularly in the case of a surprise shot, rather than a planned self inflicted shot? That's one of the worst aspects of execution, the knowing its about to happen.