How Bout Dem Bears?

kennyb3

padraig_f wrote: »

I was hoping to see Briggs & Bostic back, the linebackers will come under particular pressure against New England. When I've watched the Patriots, I notice they get the ball out super-quick to protect their shaky o-line. I think a lot of times our d-line won't have time to get there and it'll be up to the LBs to cover those short-passes & runs.

I think the Bears should push the safeties up to help. If you get beaten over the top, so be it, but I don't think the Patriots really want to do that. Try and take away the middle & flat, and if they do go deep, at least the d-line have a chance to get there.

I'd take you as dc over tucker- wait see our safeties will be way too deep same as all season. I've hardly seen a ball go over their heads. Loads of catches between LBers and safeties and plenty yards after the catch - I expect we see the same 2moro.

padraig_f

kennyb3 wrote: »

I'd take you as dc over tucker- wait see our safeties will be way too deep same as all season. I've hardly seen a ball go over their heads. Loads of catches between LBers and safeties and plenty yards after the catch - I expect we see the same 2moro.

Yeah, let's see if it happens, bearing in mind this was last week...

kennyb3

padraig_f wrote: »

Yeah, let's see if it happens, bearing in mind this was last week...

Look at Greene, totally misread it. I'd say that play alone got him benched.

SameOleJay

Empty backfield every snap. Two tight-ends up the middle to feast on the worst lbs and safeties in the league. 50 point win for New England.

I know Bellichek is a big fan of my posts. I trust he'll appreciate that insight.

Oat23

Beyond caring now. Time to plan for next year.

Firstly, getting rid of Tucker and getting someone competent in there so we can find out what defensive players are worth keeping.

The offense is f*cking embarrassing too.

Oat23

Realt Dearg Sec

Jesus Christ someone make it stop.

Guffy

SO how much would it hurt us to cut Cutler now?

kennyb3

Sack trestmans imho, in way over his head. There is a reason he was in the cfl and no one else waste slightest bit interested. Turns out emery isn't the smartest guy in the room overlooking McCoy, Kelly and Arians - all going places with their teams.

The head coach is accountable for every coach and player. He is the one who has tucker as dc and stuck by him too. He is the reason dj and McClellin are on the field - he could pull the 2.

He is weak and nowhere near a good all round coach. He' s been found out offensively this year and has been absolutely useless defensively - no input or influence.

We just spent most of a draft and free agency on defence and opposing qb's have gone so thing like 55/65 in completions to attempts in two games - utterly ridiculous. It's a travesty and a pure embarrassment.

For all that emery has done some good stuff I'm not sure if the McClellin, trestman and cutler contract outweigh the good stuff.

We ve gone from 10-6 with little offence, to pure sucking and looking at finishing bottom of the division.

Worse we ve s'hitty contracts in place with cutler and Allen. Some would argue Houston too.

All 3 phases of the game are in trouble.

There is loads of other questionable (at best stuff) - letting Nick roach walk, letting urlacher go before we had anyone to come through. Signing and keeping Dj Williams, Anderson, no safety investment, going short on DT's last year etc etc.

Nobody expects a GM to get everything right but the record is beginning to speak for itself.

It's sad people were falling over themselves to Lord him as a saviour when he'd done **** to prove it - only talk the talk.

I can only say I told you so with cutler, I'm sorry but I can't help it, the guy has all the throws but will never put it together. Every excuse in the world offered. Actually cannot believe we've 18m per year invested in him for next 2 years.

Hard to see us near a Super Bowl inside 5-7 years so.

aaronm13

gufc21 wrote: »

SO how much would it hurt us to cut Cutler now?

Its a real possibility according to some of the guys i was speaking to at the game last week, the general consensus is the length of the contract means nothing. The fallout from this game will be huge. Things can't go on like this much longer.

Oat23

aaronm13 wrote: »

Its a real possibility according to some of the guys i was speaking to at the game last week, the general consensus is the length of the contract means nothing.

Those guys you were speaking to clearly don't understand how it works. Cutler isn't getting cut. That will only make things 10 times worse.

Badabing

Stupid question, is it all on defense or has cutler messed up our very good offence from last year? Buck stops with the coach. patriots are a serious team as well don't forget.

aaronm13

Oat23 wrote: »

Those guys you were speaking to clearly don't understand how it works. Cutler isn't getting cut. That will only make things 10 times worse.

I wasn't going to argue with them to be honest, life long bears fans. It will be very expensive but could be done. Bears aren't going to win anything with Cutler by the looks of things.

kennyb3

Badabing wrote: »

Stupid question, is it all on defense or has cutler messed up our very good offence from last year? Buck stops with the coach. patriots are a serious team as well don't forget.

Pats are Middle of the road offensively this year - their o line is average at best and we got no pressure. Brady hasn't looked so good in years.

Everything is wrong - from special teams, to defence to offence, to poor coaching, no heart, shocking contracts in place.

We are going nowhere fast. Well unless you count downward.

We ve the worst linebackers in the league and near worst safeties.

Our coach is Mr softy and our gm thinks he's clever than everyone else and acts accordingly. He uses stats to try justify everything and thinks our qb is elite cause he has a winning career record yet is 4-9 in last 13 games and was outplayed by a journeyman in josh mccown last year. So he gave him 54m over 3 years to keep us missing playoffs.

He continues to try justify his McClellin pick rather than cut his ass and send him back to Burger King where he belongs. It's pathetic.

Hope that sums it up for you.

bruschi

SameOleJay wrote: »

Empty backfield every snap. Two tight-ends up the middle to feast on the worst lbs and safeties in the league. 50 point win for New England.

I know Bellichek is a big fan of my posts. I trust he'll appreciate that insight.

Bill says thanks....

Badabing

That's what i wanted to hear, we're a 8-8 team if we're lucky

kennyb3

Badabing wrote: »

That's what i wanted to hear, we're a 8-8 team if we're lucky

We're not tho. We may just about have 8-8 talent but we are going to come close to realising that talent for multiple reasons but mainly sh'it coaching and sh'it play calling. Like passing too much against the top rated pass D, who aren't ver good on the ground.

We also have a dc with an iq of 5.

Not sure what team people have Been watching that they expect us to go on a streak to finish near 8-8.

We are about to be 3-6.

We ve given up the most points in the nfl this year. The packers could put 60 on us if they are bothered.

Our Canadian football league coach, is an offensive guru who's team put up 7 points in one half tonight, 0 in the second half v Green Bay, and again **** all in first half v panthers.

He can't even figure it out offensively and hasn't the foggiest of what goes on the other side of the ball.

He was hired to fix cutler who is just as broken - even if he looks better statistically thanks to our junk time scores.

He's probably about to be head coach for the second year in row for new defensive records of the wrong kind.

But part from that he's doing a great job and the players like being team captains on different weeks when they are good little boys.

Himself and phil are great though cause they give intelligent sounding press conferences - which is what really matters don't ya know!

And I ll admit I was sucked in by trestman based on the talk, his winning cfl experience - I like a winner but he has proved he doesn't have the metal to be an nfl coach.

padraig_f

I'd given up on the game at that point, but saw on twitter Lamarr Houston injured himself celebrating a sack. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.

@Rich_Campbell
"Bears & DE Lamarr Houston (right knee) hoping for good news with MRI Monday, but some fear the worst. Postgame scene around him was somber."

Realt Dearg Sec

Who celebrates anything during such a total beating?

Badabing

Was going to say we can take the Packers but after their first play against the Saints nooo way, going to be a long 2 months

Realt Dearg Sec

Badabing wrote: »

Was going to say we can take the Packers but after their first play against the Saints nooo way, going to be a long 2 months

I was going to get out if bed to watch the game, saw the score. This hasn't been a good weekend for me sport wise, so I decided to stay in bed rather than torture myself further. Goodnight.

padraig_f

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Who celebrates anything during such a total beating?

Yes, and I think maybe indicates a problem with the culture in the dressing room. e.g. it's hard to imagine a Patriots player doing something like this.

I thought the Lions player Tulloch blowing his knee out in a celebration was bad, but they were probably winning. To do it when you're 30 points down and heading for 3-5 is probably the most embarrassing on-field act in the NFL this season.

It's funny, when you think well to people, you can overlook a lot. Psychologists call it the halo effect, i.e. when you're well-disposed to someone, you view their acts more positively than if someone else did it.

Up to a few weeks ago, I was drinking the Trestman kool-aid, and it influenced my view on certain things...

'hmm, not sure giving Cutler a big contract in a West-Coast-Offense is such a good idea, but hey, Trestman knows WCO better than me, so who am I to judge?'

'Brandon Marshall is flying to New York every week to film Inside the NFL. Hmm, doesn't sound like a good idea in terms of affecting game-preparation, travel-fatigue etc., but hey, if Trestman's ok with it, I guess it's ok'.

Then you see communication problems between QB and receiver, bad performances, the halo effect goes, and you view those things in a different light.

You also had Lance Briggs missing practice to open a restaurant a week before the start of the season. Didn't seem like a big deal to me at the time, but in hindsight, when you see the product on the field, these things start to add up.

The Houston thing is the latest example. You can blame the player, and he certainly deserves a certain amount, but it's maybe indicative more of a general culture problem.

Oat23

Has Tucker been fired yet?

Now is the time. I'm going to lose whatever faith I have left in Trest and Emery if Tucker is not let go during this bye.

kennyb3

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/showthread.php/55321-Emery-and-Trestman-Press-Conference-12-30

First post - lol - will turn out to be so true.

Will be the usual of - look at things, try to go through a process of things to improve, look at film and inside ourselves, come together as a team and rebound yada yada yada.

What are the odds on 'first half of the season' or 'still 2 quarters left' getting dropped in?

11-13 now under Trestman. A losing team.

Appartently Trestman is dissapointed for Houston - should be calling him an utter gobs'hit for doing that. I'm convinced now - I want Trestman gone - we can't win with mr softy in charge.

kennyb3

'The Bears have now surrendered 45 points or more in three of their past 18 games. To put that into perspective, consider the fact the Bears allowed 45 points or more in just three of 222 games prior to Sunday, dating all the way to Week 9 of the 1999 season, according to ESPN Stats & Information.'

Wow Lovie's 10-6 wasn't acceptable but this s'hit and 11-13 are.

And just for laughs:

According to Allen, Chicago "had a heck of a week of practice" coming off a drama-inducing loss last week to the Miami Dolphins'

It's okay we're a great practice team. Good work guys!

aaronm13

Will be interesting to hear what crap and stats Emery comes out with in his press conference later today.

Realt Dearg Sec

kennyb3 wrote: »

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/showthread.php/55321-Emery-and-Trestman-Press-Conference-12-30

First post - lol - will turn out to be so true.

Will be the usual of - look at things, try to go through a process of things to improve, look at film and inside ourselves, come together as a team and rebound yada yada yada.

What are the odds on 'first half of the season' or 'still 2 quarters left' getting dropped in?

11-13 now under Trestman. A losing team.

Appartently Trestman is dissapointed for Houston - should be calling him an utter gobs'hit for doing that. I'm convinced now - I want Trestman gone - we can't win with mr softy in charge.

Did you edit this? I think you had said you had drank the kool aid on trest? But to be honest I'm pretty sure you never did.

padraig_f

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Did you edit this? I think you had said you had drank the kool aid on trest? But to be honest I'm pretty sure you never did.

That was me drinking the kool-aid.

Press conference...

Houston out for the season with torn ACL.

Slauson out for the season with torn pectoral muscle.

Tucker stays, Trestman said something like 'it will be solved by the people in this building'.

Oat23

They have now surpassed Lovie/Angelo levels of incompetence.

I didn't watch a lot of the game yesterday because it was so ugly. But the stat sheet says Tom Brady was 30 for 35 yesterday and his receivers were credited with 4 drops. On top of Tannehill last week and all of the sh*t dating back to last season, how the hell can you keep Tucker?

kennyb3

It's trestman - he has no balls, wants to be everyone's best friend.

You can totally tell he is of the style that tries to drag everyone along and in the right direction - which is fair enough when those people are half way competent.

It's going to be interesting to see this play out - he s firmly putting his head on the block as we tank this season.

The Shea McClellin project is the most interesting bit for me - he was covering gronk 1 on 1 yesterday - I have no words to describe or explain that.

I'm obviously not happy we ain't doing well but least this train wreck is crashing faster than I thought rather than more 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 and no playoffs.

I said before we need a rebuild and I think it's showing. You can't replace urlacher, roach, peppers, Melton, a healthy Tillman etc with Anderson, dj Williams, mcclellin, a washed up Allen. Then on top of that you've **** coaching and a huge part of your cap going to the same qb as before who's not playing any better - possibly worse.