Obama legitimate President?

Yitzhak Rabin · 05-09-2010 8:55pm

Newspaper clipping. Full version here

Birth Cert

The only people who doubt this have seem to have racist motivations. As has been pointed out already, why have no other presidents citizenships been called into question?

Yitzhak Rabin · 05-09-2010 8:56pm

demonspawn wrote: »

The only birth cert I've seen is a laser printed copy with no hospital stamps, no signatures, and only the most basic information about the birth. Where's the original?

Why do you doubt it, but no one elses?

dlofnep · 05-09-2010 8:57pm

demonspawn wrote: »

The only birth cert I've seen is a laser printed copy with no hospital stamps, no signatures, and only the most basic information about the birth. Where's the original?

All of the above has been debunked and all the answers you seek are in the following video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78WX6aajV5w

Jeboa Safari · 05-09-2010 8:58pm

If he wasn't American I'm sure it would have been one of the first poins raised by John McCain, or even Hillary Clinton

sligopark · 05-09-2010 8:58pm

yekahs wrote: »

The only people who doubt this have seem to have racist motivations.

of course thats the real answer - we're nasty racists :rolleyes:

Yitzhak Rabin · 05-09-2010 9:00pm

sligopark wrote: »

of course thats the real answer - we're nasty racists :rolleyes:

Well then kindly explain why you doubt his citizenship, but not Bush II, Clinton, Reagan, Bush I, etc. etc.

sligopark · 05-09-2010 9:02pm

eh because of the controversy around his birth place perhaps :eek:

Jeboa Safari · 05-09-2010 9:04pm

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

sligopark · 05-09-2010 9:07pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories

touche

Yitzhak Rabin · 05-09-2010 9:09pm

sligopark wrote: »

eh because of the controversy around his birth place perhaps :eek:

Then ask yourself why there is controversy around his birth place, but no one elses?

I still don't know why there is doubt? You have the birthcert, you have the local paper. There is more proof of him being born in the US than many other presidents, who I can't find.

I can't find Gerald Ford's birthcert online. He has never provided a copy. There is no record of his birth.

Do you now doubt that he is a US citizen.....or is his skin white enough that he gets a pass?

dlofnep · 05-09-2010 9:11pm

sligopark wrote: »

eh because of the controversy around his birth place perhaps :eek:

There is no controversy. It was put to rest. There is no evidence to state that he is not American. There is every piece of evidence required to state that he is American. Get over it. You still haven't provided me with any evidence to suggest that he's not American.

Yitzhak Rabin · 05-09-2010 9:12pm

sligopark wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories

touche

Not really, that link reaffirms that Barrack Obama is a US citizen.

demonspawn · 05-09-2010 9:13pm

yekahs wrote: »

Newspaper clipping. Full version here

Birth Cert

The only people who doubt this have seem to have racist motivations. As has been pointed out already, why have no other presidents citizenships been called into question?

Please show me on that birth cert a single signature or stamp that would place it at the hospital shown. Not a single doctor's signature to be seen anywhere. And excuse me if I don't accept a newspaper clipping provided over the internet. Photoshop is a wonderful thing indeed.

And by the way, my step-sister's father is black. Are you suggesting I hate my own sister based solely on the color of her skin? Accuse me of being racist again, I dare you.

demonspawn · 05-09-2010 9:16pm

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Great, so they proved that the birth cert is a laser printed copy and not the original birth cert. Care to try again?

dlofnep · 05-09-2010 9:16pm

DemonSpawn - Watch the video I posted. It answers all your questions.

Yitzhak Rabin · 05-09-2010 9:19pm

demonspawn wrote: »

Please show me on that birth cert a single signature or stamp that would place it at the hospital shown. Not a single doctor's signature to be seen anywhere. And excuse me if I don't accept a newspaper clipping provided over the internet. Photoshop is a wonderful thing indeed.

So in order to be convinced, you want to see the actual newspaper, and birthcert? Why bother discussing it. You know no one here can provide that.

Perhaps, given you are proposing that he is not a US citizen, then you can provide some evidence for that claim.

And by the way, my step-sister's father is black. Are you suggesting I hate my own sister based solely on the color of her skin? Accuse me of being racist again, I dare you.

I can only judge you on your posts. I don't know you personally.

Why do you not doubt any of the previous US presidents citizenship?
Racism?

Jeboa Safari · 05-09-2010 9:19pm

demonspawn wrote: »

Great, so they proved that the birth cert is a laser printed copy and not the original birth cert. Care to try again?

Care to read what I posted?

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

sligopark · 05-09-2010 9:21pm

yekahs wrote: »

I can't find Gerald Ford's birthcert online. He has never provided a copy. There is no record of his birth.

Do you now doubt that he is a US citizen.....or is his skin white enough that he gets a pass?

Gerald Ford was white? :eek:

Yitzhak Rabin · 05-09-2010 9:22pm

sligopark wrote: »

Gerald Ford was white? :eek:

Yes, and he still is. I suspect that is also the reason his citizenship has never been called into question.

demonspawn · 05-09-2010 9:23pm

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Care to read what I posted?

So why didn't they take pictures of the original and post that instead a load of pictures of the bogus birth cert?

Oh, and coincidentally, the "doctor" who signed off on the fake got a national award for doing not much of anything about two weeks after stamping the fake. Coincidence? I think not. Some doctors will happily commit fraud for a bit of public recognition.

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-55.pdf

Undergod · 05-09-2010 9:25pm

demonspawn wrote: »

And just look at the face on him, it's like he's never tasted beer before and is about to spit it back into the pint glass. :rolleyes:.

Not what it looks like to me.

My understanding of the controversy is that, at the time he was born, Hawaii could issue birth certificates for foreign-born children of US citizens. Can anyone shed any light on this?

demonspawn · 05-09-2010 9:28pm

dlofnep wrote: »

DemonSpawn - Watch the video I posted. It answers all your questions.

Yes, I watched the video and all it shows is the same bogus birth cert. Hawaii went paperless a few years ago so they destroyed years and years of records after they scanned and uploaded them to a database? So where's the scan of the original birth cert? Oh that's right, they didn't scan anything, they just created new digital documents. That doesn't raise any red flags for you?

Yitzhak Rabin · 05-09-2010 9:33pm

demonspawn wrote: »

Yes, I watched the video and all it shows is the same bogus birth cert. Hawaii went paperless a few years ago so they destroyed years and years of records after they scanned and uploaded them to a database? So where's the scan of the original birth cert? Oh that's right, they didn't scan anything, they just created new digital documents. That doesn't raise any red flags for you?

So the CT has now expanded to include the Hawaiian Health board colluding with Obama years in advance of him becoming president to destroy all birthcerts so that they wouldn't have to produce his, in the event that he one day became president?

:rolleyes:

Again, have you any evidence to back up your theory that he is not a US citizen?

demonspawn · 05-09-2010 9:41pm

yekahs wrote: »

So the CT has now expanded to include the Hawaiian Health board colluding with Obama years in advance of him becoming president to destroy all birthcerts so that they wouldn't have to produce his, in the event that he one day became president?

:rolleyes:

Again, have you any evidence to back up your theory that he is not a US citizen?

1. Where are all the records that existed prior to the transfer to digital records? Were they destroyed? If they were then why were they destroyed?

2. Do you honestly think that the people in control don't have the next 100 years planned out to the letter? They have the power for a reason, because they work together to do whatever they like. This is their planet, we're just the sheep and the cattle.

Jeboa Safari · 05-09-2010 9:43pm

demonspawn wrote: »

2. Do you honestly think that the people in control don't have the next 100 years planned out to the letter? They have the power for a reason, because they work together to do whatever they like. This is their planet, we're just the sheep and the cattle.

Why don't they just shut down any conspiracy sites that might rumble their secret then?

namloc1980 · 05-09-2010 9:47pm

demonspawn wrote: »

1. Where are all the records that existed prior to the transfer to digital records? Were they destroyed? If they were then why were they destroyed?

Digital records are created for a reason...so you don't have to have tonnes and tonnes of paper needing millions of square feet of warehousing to keep it all in. Paper records are also digitized because over time paper breaks down. This is not difficult to understand and it is not something extraordinary.

demonspawn · 05-09-2010 9:48pm

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Why don't they just shut down any conspiracy sites that might rumble their secret then?

Who says they don't? CT videos and channels on Youtube get shut down constantly. Broken links are becoming more and more common these days. Don't believe me? Go click on the Associated Press or the London Independent links in the following page:

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=michael_hess_1

Yitzhak Rabin · 05-09-2010 9:49pm

demonspawn wrote: »

1. Where are all the records that existed prior to the transfer to digital records? Were they destroyed? If they were then why were they destroyed?

Ever hear of data protection? Some people prefer that documents about us are not free for every member of the public to peruse.

I don't know if they were destroyed, you made that claim.

2. Do you honestly think that the people in control don't have the next 100 years planned out to the letter? They have the power for a reason, because they work together to do whatever they like. This is their planet, we're just the sheep and the cattle.

No I honest don't think they do. I'm not even sure who they are in this instance.

Third time now. I'll make it big, so you don't miss it.
Have you any evidence to back up your theory that he is not a US citizen?

demonspawn · 05-09-2010 9:52pm

Jesus, no need to lose the head.

Do you have any evidence to prove that he is? Other than a bogus birth cert created a few years ago?

Jeboa Safari · 05-09-2010 9:54pm

demonspawn wrote: »

Who says they don't? CT videos and channels on Youtube get shut down constantly. Broken links are becoming more and more common these days. Don't believe me? Go click on the Associated Press or the London Independent links in the following page:

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=michael_hess_1

The links on the site were broke, but I could find them through google, so not shut down.
Also this and places like abovetopsecret are still up?

Obama legitimate President?

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