Obama legitimate President?

Brown Bomber

watch til end

gizmo

That was one of the most idiotic twisting of words I've seen around these parts. :rolleyes:

sligopark

past watching a video without explanatiuon but isn't the problem he is a kenyan rather than american and it hasn't being conclusively proved one way or the other

he is just another american clown president whose strings are pulled by all those in the shadows

amacachi

I heard he's a secret muslim.

sligopark

he has in the past spoken of his muslim background but no one has seen him on his knees looking twd Mecca (nor wall street)

gizmo

sligopark wrote: »

he has in the past spoken of his muslim background but no one has seen him on his knees looking twd Mecca (nor wall street)

Perhaps his father's background but neither he nor his mother were ever Muslims. The only people who seem to dispute any of this are the Birther/Tea Party morons that love running their mouths without knowing what the hell they're talking about.

sligopark

gizmo wrote: »

Perhaps his father's background but neither he nor his mother were ever Muslims. The only people who seem to dispute any of this are the Birther/Tea Party morons that love running their mouths without knowing what the hell they're talking about.

like yourself of course

gizmo

sligopark wrote: »

like yourself of course

Charming retort. Kindly point out what I said which indicated I didn't know what I was talking about.

oceanclub

How dare a black man get ideas above his station.

P.

HxGH

Barack Hussein Obama?

Its a sign!

sligopark

eh no - this is a sign

Undergod

The issue of the denial of evidence seems a little absurd to me. The President's eligibility is kinda irrelevant in the case of this guy's court martial, especially as he put himself on court martial.

And surely it's for a higher, civil court to decide rather than a military tribunal?

dlofnep

Yes he is the legitimate president..Why wouldn't he be?

fontanalis

sligopark wrote: »

past watching a video without explanatiuon but isn't the problem he is a kenyan rather than american and it hasn't being conclusively proved one way or the other

he is just another american clown president whose strings are pulled by all those in the shadows

Hawaii is part of Kenya now?
Most of this over the top criticism is aimed at the morons who also think he's muslim.
Interesting comparison.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/cenk-political-line-has-moved-so-far-right

demonspawn

Undergod wrote: »

The issue of the denial of evidence seems a little absurd to me. The President's eligibility is kinda irrelevant in the case of this guy's court martial, especially as he put himself on court martial.

And surely it's for a higher, civil court to decide rather than a military tribunal?

And just look at the face on him, it's like he's never tasted beer before and is about to spit it back into the pint glass. :rolleyes:

How much do you wanna bet it's non-alcoholic beer?

Oh yeah, and apparently he has no original birth certificate or he has chosen not to provide it.

phantom_lord

demonspawn wrote: »

And just look at the face on him, it's like he's never tasted beer before and is about to spit it back into the pint glass. :rolleyes:

How much do you wanna bet it's non-alcoholic beer?

Oh yeah, and apparently he has no original birth certificate or he has chosen not to provide it.

this one?

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

demonspawn

phantom_lord wrote: »

this one?

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

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dlofnep

Works fine for me.

Besides the birth cert, there are copies of the local newspaper where he was born that shows his birth in the birth announcements section. He's American. The only people who dispute it are racist, right-wingers.

sligopark

dlofnep wrote: »

The only people who dispute it are racist, right-wingers.

not really

dlofnep

sligopark wrote: »

not really

Yes really. Everyone that has claimed he's not American, has been associated with the likes of the Tea Party - All right-winged morons.

demonspawn

dlofnep wrote: »

Works fine for me.

Besides the birth cert, there are copies of the local newspaper where he was born that shows his birth in the birth announcements section. He's American. The only people who dispute it are racist, right-wingers.

Eh, are you accusing the users of this forum of being racist, right-wingers? I should definitely hope not, moderator.

sligopark

dlofnep wrote: »

The only people who dispute it are racist, right-wingers.

its not conclusive for me and although I might be right of centre I am not racist - far from it - the fact the chap is coloured is of no consequence to me but a massive plus to those pulling his strings...

because those opposing him can very quickly be accused of and put down by the rascism card...

nothing as cute as right wing liberals

demonspawn

sligo, I want to apologize for my comments on the AH forum. I was out of order and hope there's no hard feelings. I just lost my temper and shouldn't have done so. I have my views and you have yours and I hope we can discuss them in a more civil manner in the future.

Ok, back on topic. Dismissing CTers as right-wing racists in absolutely ridiculous and rather insulting. Please be more careful with your choice of words in the future.

sligopark

demonspawn wrote: »

sligo, I want to apologize for my comments on the AH forum. I was out of order and hope there's no hard feelings. I just lost my temper and shouldn't have done so. I have my views and you have yours and I hope we can discuss them in a more civil manner in the future.

Not a bother demonspawn - hard feelings aren't my thing - heavy discussion but agree to disagree - tbh hadn't thought of it since but thanks - appreciated - best of luck to you

demonspawn wrote: »

Ok, back on topic. Dismissing CTers as right-wing racists in absolutely ridiculous and rather insulting. Please be more careful with your choice of words in the future.

Not me :D

fontanalis

sligopark wrote: »

its not conclusive for me and although I might be right of centre I am not racist - far from it - the fact the chap is coloured is of no consequence to me but a massive plus to those pulling his strings...

because those opposing him can very quickly be accused of and put down by the rascism card...

nothing as cute as right wing liberals

Do you think Hawaii is part of Kenya?
Give me a break

dlofnep

demonspawn wrote: »

Eh, are you accusing the users of this forum of being racist, right-wingers? I should definitely hope not, moderator.

Where were the requests for Bush's birth cert, or Clinton's? Or indeed, any president in the last 100 years? What makes Obama so special? Because his family comes from Kenya?

Where were the requests for JFK's birth cert? Afterall, his family comes from Ireland.

It's an utterly ridiculous claim to suggest that he's not a legitimate president. There is absolutely no proof whatsoever to back it up.

demonspawn

fontanalis wrote: »

Do you think Hawaii is part of Kenya?
Give me a break

Feel free to post a working link to Mr. Obamas original birth certificate with a doctors signature on it. That's all you need to do to debunk this entire CT. That can't be so difficult.

dlofnep

sligopark wrote: »

its not conclusive for me

What's not conclusive for you?

I'd love to hear it. Tell me exactly what's not conclusive for you.

demonspawn

dlofnep wrote: »

It's an utterly ridiculous claim to suggest that he's not a legitimate president. There is absolutely no proof whatsoever to back it up.

And there's absolutely no proof whatsoever that Obama is a natural born American citizen. I'm sure if we looked for those other birth certs we could find them. I'm sure if JFKs nationality was called into question, his original birth cert could be provided.

dlofnep

demonspawn wrote: »

And there's absolutely no proof whatsoever that Obama is a natural born American citizen.

Yes there is!

He has provided his birth cert. There are snippets from the local papers that announced his birth. There is every proof that he is a natural born American citizen.

Now tell me what proof you have that suggests that he's not. Proof please?

demonspawn

dlofnep wrote: »

Yes there is!

He has provided his birth cert. There are snippets from the local papers that announced his birth. There is every proof that he is a natural born American citizen.

Now tell me what proof you have that suggests that he's not. Proof please?

The only birth cert I've seen is a laser printed copy with no hospital stamps, no signatures, and only the most basic information about the birth. Where's the original?

Yitzhak Rabin

Newspaper clipping. Full version here

Birth Cert



The only people who doubt this have seem to have racist motivations. As has been pointed out already, why have no other presidents citizenships been called into question?

Yitzhak Rabin

demonspawn wrote: »

The only birth cert I've seen is a laser printed copy with no hospital stamps, no signatures, and only the most basic information about the birth. Where's the original?

Why do you doubt it, but no one elses?

dlofnep

demonspawn wrote: »

The only birth cert I've seen is a laser printed copy with no hospital stamps, no signatures, and only the most basic information about the birth. Where's the original?

All of the above has been debunked and all the answers you seek are in the following video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78WX6aajV5w

Jeboa Safari

If he wasn't American I'm sure it would have been one of the first poins raised by John McCain, or even Hillary Clinton

sligopark

yekahs wrote: »

The only people who doubt this have seem to have racist motivations.

of course thats the real answer - we're nasty racists :rolleyes:

Yitzhak Rabin

sligopark wrote: »

of course thats the real answer - we're nasty racists :rolleyes:

Well then kindly explain why you doubt his citizenship, but not Bush II, Clinton, Reagan, Bush I, etc. etc.

sligopark

eh because of the controversy around his birth place perhaps :eek:

Jeboa Safari

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

sligopark

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories

touche

Yitzhak Rabin

sligopark wrote: »

eh because of the controversy around his birth place perhaps :eek:

Then ask yourself why there is controversy around his birth place, but no one elses?

I still don't know why there is doubt? You have the birthcert, you have the local paper. There is more proof of him being born in the US than many other presidents, who I can't find.

I can't find Gerald Ford's birthcert online. He has never provided a copy. There is no record of his birth.

Do you now doubt that he is a US citizen.....or is his skin white enough that he gets a pass?

dlofnep

sligopark wrote: »

eh because of the controversy around his birth place perhaps :eek:

There is no controversy. It was put to rest. There is no evidence to state that he is not American. There is every piece of evidence required to state that he is American. Get over it. You still haven't provided me with any evidence to suggest that he's not American.

Yitzhak Rabin

sligopark wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories

touche

Not really, that link reaffirms that Barrack Obama is a US citizen.

demonspawn

yekahs wrote: »

Newspaper clipping. Full version here

Birth Cert



The only people who doubt this have seem to have racist motivations. As has been pointed out already, why have no other presidents citizenships been called into question?

Please show me on that birth cert a single signature or stamp that would place it at the hospital shown. Not a single doctor's signature to be seen anywhere. And excuse me if I don't accept a newspaper clipping provided over the internet. Photoshop is a wonderful thing indeed.

And by the way, my step-sister's father is black. Are you suggesting I hate my own sister based solely on the color of her skin? Accuse me of being racist again, I dare you.

demonspawn

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Great, so they proved that the birth cert is a laser printed copy and not the original birth cert. Care to try again?

dlofnep

DemonSpawn - Watch the video I posted. It answers all your questions.

Yitzhak Rabin

demonspawn wrote: »

Please show me on that birth cert a single signature or stamp that would place it at the hospital shown. Not a single doctor's signature to be seen anywhere. And excuse me if I don't accept a newspaper clipping provided over the internet. Photoshop is a wonderful thing indeed.

So in order to be convinced, you want to see the actual newspaper, and birthcert? Why bother discussing it. You know no one here can provide that.

Perhaps, given you are proposing that he is not a US citizen, then you can provide some evidence for that claim.

And by the way, my step-sister's father is black. Are you suggesting I hate my own sister based solely on the color of her skin? Accuse me of being racist again, I dare you.

I can only judge you on your posts. I don't know you personally.

Why do you not doubt any of the previous US presidents citizenship?
Racism?

Jeboa Safari

demonspawn wrote: »

Great, so they proved that the birth cert is a laser printed copy and not the original birth cert. Care to try again?

Care to read what I posted?

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

sligopark

yekahs wrote: »

I can't find Gerald Ford's birthcert online. He has never provided a copy. There is no record of his birth.

Do you now doubt that he is a US citizen.....or is his skin white enough that he gets a pass?

Gerald Ford was white? :eek:

Yitzhak Rabin

sligopark wrote: »

Gerald Ford was white? :eek:

Yes, and he still is. I suspect that is also the reason his citizenship has never been called into question.

demonspawn

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Care to read what I posted?

So why didn't they take pictures of the original and post that instead a load of pictures of the bogus birth cert?

Oh, and coincidentally, the "doctor" who signed off on the fake got a national award for doing not much of anything about two weeks after stamping the fake. Coincidence? I think not. Some doctors will happily commit fraud for a bit of public recognition.

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-55.pdf