CHEMTRAILS

Lefticus Loonaticus

Anyone in Cork, go outside and look up now. Its the worst spraying ive ever seen, the sky looks like a chess board.

My name is URL

espinolman wrote: »

A new video is on utube called " Interview with colonel x chemtrails / aliens "

Chemtrails are to protect against " technologyically advanced entities " .
"If chemtrails did in fact occur they would be there to provide protection for large centres or masses of populations "
"Primarily to protect us from them"
The aliens are susceptible to certain pathogens .

So do you believe that? It's interesting that you'd place faith in such videos while at the same time disputing the existence of protons & neutrons etc, as you did earlier in the thread.

Monty Burnz

Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »

Anyone in Cork, go outside and look up now. Its the worst spraying ive ever seen, the sky looks like a chess board.

So you could see that they were definitely spraying something?

espinolman

My name is URL wrote: »

So do you believe that? It's interesting that you'd place faith in such videos while at the same time disputing the existence of protons & neutrons etc, as you did earlier in the thread.

Is'nt it iiiiiiinnnnnnnttttttteeeeeerrrrreeeeessssssssssssssssttttttttttiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnng . What are you , a feckin psychiatrist ?

AhSureTisGrand

Barrington wrote: »

Please refrain from commenting on other people's grammer. If you feel that a post is too difficult to read, report it or ignore it.

*grammar






Sorry I couldn't help myself:pac:

AhSureTisGrand

espinolman wrote: »

Is'nt it iiiiiiinnnnnnnttttttteeeeeerrrrreeeeessssssssssssssssttttttttttiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnng . What are you , a feckin psychiatrist ?

Excuse me... Since when do psychiatrists have severe speech impediments and a phenomenal lung capacity as above?

My name is URL

espinolman wrote: »

Is'nt it iiiiiiinnnnnnnttttttteeeeeerrrrreeeeessssssssssssssssttttttttttiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnng . What are you , a feckin psychiatrist ?

lol.. no. I have trouble getting inside my own head let alone anyone else's! There's no harm in asking though, is there? I was just curious about why you don't think sub-atomic particles exist while at the same time seemingly acknowledging that things like pathogenic agents do.

Penn

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

*grammar






Sorry I couldn't help myself:pac:

*hovers finger over Ban button*

Ah, I'll let you away with it this time.

As for everyone else, remember to keep it civil please.

iamstop

Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »

Anyone in Cork, go outside and look up now. Its the worst spraying ive ever seen, the sky looks like a chess board.

Ah jaysus, I hate posts like this. USELESS without pics. Sure EVERYONE has a digital camera and means of putting the pics up online at this stage, next time please provide graphical evidence for not Corkers.

5uspect

iamstop wrote: »

Ah jaysus, I hate posts like this. USELESS without pics. Sure EVERYONE has a digital camera and means of putting the pics up online at this stage, next time please provide graphical evidence for not Corkers.

What good are photographs when all those posted thus far are of plain old contrails? Also unqualified claims of "spraying" betray the prejudice of the poster and are quite useless.

I would like a spectral measurement so we can tell exactly what's in them but photons don't exist...

espinolman

My name is URL wrote: »

I was just curious about why you don't think sub-atomic particles exist while at the same time seemingly acknowledging that things like pathogenic agents do.

I do believe there is particles , but i have a different theory from the conventional theory , and the conventional stuff is just theory that is probably good for vested interests , maybe thats the reason it is taught in the education system .

5uspect

Or the reason your computer works?

espinolman

espinolman wrote: »

I do believe there is particles , but i have a different theory from the conventional theory , and the conventional stuff is just theory that is probably good for vested interests , maybe thats the reason it is taught in the education system .

Or it could be that it's actually true and you've just bought into nonsense.

How do you know what you believe is true and the "conventional theory" is wrong?

Seems to me the "non conventional" stuff has just as much good for vested interests but with none of the importance on standards and truth.

AhSureTisGrand

espinolman wrote: »

I do believe there is particles , but i have a different theory from the conventional theory , and the conventional stuff is just theory that is probably good for vested interests , maybe thats the reason it is taught in the education system .

Vested interests being science and the expansion of human knowledge and understanding?

GayBorg

I want to believe.

espinolman

Here is the woman alex jones was apparently trying to censor on coast to coast , also it shows the pdf government file about weather modification by the government in the video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udyP0fMFCV4&feature=feedlik

Mr Plough

This unedited ?

Mr Plough

GayBorg wrote: »

I want to believe.

Thats a brave name.

WakeUp

espinolman wrote: »

Here is the woman alex jones was apparently trying to censor on coast to coast , also it shows the pdf government file about weather modification by the government in the video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udyP0fMFCV4&feature=feedlik

Hope you dont mind me posting the video Espman:) but it shows the actual document nice find cant believe what Im reading if thats a genuine governement document its basically a blueprint of weather manipulation.

This is the file number that woman quoted-
cftc.gov/lawregulation/federalregister/commentfiles/08-004

This is the website-
http://www.cftc.gov/LawRegulation/federalregister/commentfiles/08-004.html

The Document number is CL02

Here is a link to the Document in PDF...
http://www.cftc.gov/ucm/groups/public/@lrfederalregister/documents/frcomment/08-004c002.pdf

Heres a quote from the document.....

Weather as a Force Multiplier:Owning The Weather in 2025:

Below are highlights contained within the actual report. Please remember that this research report was issued 1996 - 8 years ago- and that much of what was discussed as being in preliminary stages back then is now a reality.

In the United States, Weather modification will likely become a part of national security policy with both domestic and international applications. Our government will pursue such a policy, depending on its interests, at various levels.


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I found this particular paragraph quite interesting...It is under the heading "Precipitation"

"Numerours dispersal techniques ( of carbon dust ) have already been studied, but the most convenient,safe and cost effective method discussed is the use of afterburner-type jet engines to generate carbon particles while flying through the targeted air. This method is based on injection of liquid hydrocarbon fuel into the afterburners combustion gases ( this explains why contrails have now become chemtrails)"

Monty Burnz

WakeUp wrote: »

I found this particular paragraph quite interesting...It is under the heading "Precipitation"

"Numerours dispersal techniques ( of carbon dust ) have already been studied, but the most convenient,safe and cost effective method discussed is the use of afterburner-type jet engines to generate carbon particles while flying through the targeted air. This method is based on injection of liquid hydrocarbon fuel into the afterburners combustion gases ( this explains why contrails have now become chemtrails)"

I'm guessing the bit in bold was written by you? You will notice that the piece says, 'the most convenient,safe and cost effective method discussed'. Presumably this means that it is something they are talking about for a possible future implementation. You probably have some idea of how long it takes to design and develop new jet engines, and how long in turn it takes for them to be widely deployed by airlines.

Edit: by the way, there is good scientific evidence that contrails affect temperatures, so that's not really in dispute here.

WakeUp

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm guessing the bit in bold was written by you? You will notice that the piece says, 'the most convenient,safe and cost effective method discussed'. Presumably this means that it is something they are talking about for a possible future implementation. You probably have some idea of how long it takes to design and develop new jet engines, and how long in turn it takes for them to be widely deployed by airlines.

Edit: by the way, there is good scientific evidence that contrails affect temperatures, so that's not really in dispute here.

Yeah I put that part in bold because its relevant to the thread. Here is an official government document not only outlining weather manipulation, and if its possible to do the things they say in the document its both scary & astounding in my opinion, but also explaining to a certain degree why contrails turn to chemtrails. Some people believe the mere mention of the word "chemtrails" is loony or crazy or whatever. Well here is a US government document that refers to them verbatim.

You might notice yourself that the research paper was submitted in 1996 and states “that much of what was discussed as being in preliminary stages back then is now a reality”. Do you find it acceptable that any nation or government might have the ability to manipulate weather? There may well be scientific evidence as you say that contrails affect temperatures but contrails happen “naturally” as a result of engines burning fuel. That is not the same thing as intentionally dispersing “carbon dust” in the skies for whatever reason and turning contrails to chemtrails. There is no comparison in my opinion it is intentional/hypothetical weather manipulation using chemtrails as the “trigger” to induce whatever effect is wanted. According to the document the end goal of this dispersion method is to make a target area “dry”.

“If clouds were seeded (using chemical nuclei similar to those used today or perhaps a more effective agent discovered through continued research) before their downwind arrival to a desired location, the result could be a suppression of precipitation. In other words, precipitation could be “forced” to fall before its arrival in the desired territory, thereby making the desired territory “dry”..”

If this sort of weather manipulation is currently being undertaken well then its one explanation as to why our skies are full of chemtrails. The document states that as far back as 1957 the “US presidents advisory committee on weather control explicitly recognised the military potential of weather-modification” If they were “discussing” weather control as far back as 57’ who knows what they are capable of today with modern technology & methods.

Monty Burnz

WakeUp wrote: »

Here is an official government document not only outlining weather manipulation, and if its possible to do the things they say in the document its both scary & astounding in my opinion, but also explaining to a certain degree why contrails turn to chemtrails. Some people believe the mere mention of the word "chemtrails" is loony or crazy or whatever. Well here is a US government document that refers to them verbatim.

WakeUp, in what sense is it an official US government document? Are you referring to a document within the PDF that begins with the letter from 'QED International'? Or that whole PDF?

WakeUp wrote: »

Do you find it acceptable that any nation or government might have the ability to manipulate weather?.

Yeah, I do - it's been going on for donkey's years. I remember as a kid watching a TV show where they were seeding rain during a drought back during the depression in the US. Obviously, I'd be pretty worried if this manipulation started to have negative consequences and I'd be opposed to it at that point.

WakeUp

Monty Burnz wrote: »

WakeUp, in what sense is it an official US government document? Are you referring to a document within the PDF that begins with the letter from 'QED International'? Or that whole PDF?

US Congress created the CFTC IN 1974 as an agency with the mandate to regulate commodity futures and option markets in the United States.
http://www.cftc.gov/About/MissionResponsibilities/index.htm

The file in question 08-004 ( CL02 ) is now a comment file for federal register release and when posted gave people 60 days to comment on it and voice their opinion.
http://www.cftc.gov/LawRegulation/federalregister/commentfiles/08-004.html
http://www.cftc.gov/LawRegulation/FederalRegister/e8-9981.html (73 FR 25669)

The letter from QED is a response to the document submitted for federal register release.

The Title of the research paper they are commenting on is….

Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning The Weather 2025
A research paper presented to Air Force 2025
August 1996

Air Force 2025 was a future study conducted between 1995-1996 on behalf of the Air Force Chief of Staff. The report is logged here – Volume 3 – chapter 15 - you can read the entire report.....

http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/index.htm

As the research paper is logged with the military and on file for federal register release it would appear to be an official document.

Yeah, I do - it's been going on for donkey's years. I remember as a kid watching a TV show where they were seeding rain during a drought back during the depression in the US. Obviously, I'd be pretty worried if this manipulation started to have negative consequences and I'd be opposed to it at that point.

In fairness I could understand that myself i.e making it rain in drought ridden areas and I wouldn’t be against that I don’t think but where do you draw the line. Once people start playing God who knows where it will go. But some of the stuff they discuss in that report is just scary like controlling and creating storms and space weather-modification I would be totally against anything like that and Im sure the vast majority of people would be too.

Monty Burnz

WakeUp wrote: »

But some of the stuff they discuss in that report is just scary like controlling and creating storms and space weather-modification I would be totally against anything like that and Im sure the vast majority of people would be too.

This is the same military mindset that dropped two nukes on Japanese cities, so nothing would surprise me to be honest. At the same time, it seems nothing has come of the research/proposals yet, as I don't recall any mention of weather modification during the current/recent wars.

WakeUp

Monty Burnz wrote: »

This is the same military mindset that dropped two nukes on Japanese cities, so nothing would surprise me to be honest. At the same time, it seems nothing has come of the research/proposals yet, as I don't recall any mention of weather modification during the current/recent wars.

Whatever about making the argument to manipulate the weather for the benefit of mankind, manipulating the weather for strategic military purposes is morally and ethically wrong in my opinion for example unleashing a storm if they can indeed do that and directing it toward a nation is just plain wrong. Even the concept of doing something like that scares me let alone actually unleashing one.

I don’t think anyone can know for certain if anything has come from the research I mean if the military were using the weather as an offensive weapon I’d imagine weather-operations for want of better words would be classified and they certainly wouldn’t openly admit to using it or at least that’s what I think. Going back to the document again they allude to that in so many words….

“One major advantage of using simulated weather to achieve a desired effect is that unlike other approaches, it makes what are otherwise the results of deliberate actions appear to be the consequences of natural weather phenomena”

Weather manipulation deserves a thread to itself I’m going to look into a bit more and start one, but if your interested in the subject the US have already tampered with the weather for military purposes during the Vietnam War. The project was called “Popeye” the idea was to seed the tops of monsoon clouds and trigger phenomenal downpours that would wash away the Ho Chi Minh Trail used for ferrying supplies by the VC & NV Army.

I think it’s fair to say now though that the idea of “chemtrails” even just in a hypothetical sense is not so bizarre after all. We have the US military researching the idea and using the exact same word – chemtrails – to explain the phenomena in their own research paper. Is this happening at the moment? Who knows for sure but its there in black & white, greater minds than mine and yourself have looked into it and drawn some conclusions maybe even a working method has been developed we just don’t know for sure and probably wont for a long time to come.

AhSureTisGrand

WakeUp wrote: »

Whatever about making the argument to manipulate the weather for the benefit of mankind, manipulating the weather for strategic military purposes is morally and ethically wrong in my opinion for example unleashing a storm if they can indeed do that and directing it toward a nation is just plain wrong.

But guns and bombs aren't wrong? I don't see this as any worse than "traditional methods" of warfare

WakeUp

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

But guns and bombs aren't wrong? I don't see this as any worse than "traditional methods" of warfare

Of course not, guns and bombs are wrong too.

Monty Burnz

WakeUp wrote: »

I think it’s fair to say now though that the idea of “chemtrails” even just in a hypothetical sense is not so bizarre after all. We have the US military researching the idea and using the exact same word – chemtrails – to explain the phenomena in their own research paper. Is this happening at the moment? Who knows for sure but its there in black & white, greater minds than mine and yourself have looked into it and drawn some conclusions maybe even a working method has been developed we just don’t know for sure and probably wont for a long time to come.

As a hypothetical, I definitely agree that the use of contrails to raise the albedo of the planet is quite plausible, I think I stated that on the other chemtrail thread. Interesting reference, that 'Operation Popeye', I'd never heard of that.

Where we may (or may not) differ is whether there is a plausible case (excluding weather modifcation) for any of the other proposed motives for 'chemtrails' (mind control, alien protection etc.).

You're right though, if something dodgy is up then the truth will come out - you just couldn't keep something that big and obvious secret for long.

AhSureTisGrand

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

Of course not, guns and bombs are wrong too.

So then what's particularly bad about weather modification?

WakeUp

Monty Burnz wrote: »

As a hypothetical, I definitely agree that the use of contrails to raise the albedo of the planet is quite plausible, I think I stated that on the other chemtrail thread. Interesting reference, that 'Operation Popeye', I'd never heard of that.

Where we may (or may not) differ is whether there is a plausible case (excluding weather modifcation) for any of the other proposed motives for 'chemtrails' (mind control, alien protection etc.).

You're right though, if something dodgy is up then the truth will come out - you just couldn't keep something that big and obvious secret for long.

I seen you mention that on the other thread alright I believe it is plausible too. Reading up on project Popeye it seems they had some success with that well according to US intelligence they did.
I try and keep an open mind on everything and on that basis I’d never rule anything out completely. Do I believe or think it’s plausible that if the skies are being sprayed with whatever, it is to control our minds or protect us from aliens if they exist? No I don’t think I do but I don’t know for certain that isn’t the reason.
After being made aware of that document and the US military reference to the word chemtrail in their research into precipitation, that’s what I’m going to focus my thoughts on. I’m going to try find any other information that might be out there that focuses on cloud seeding specifically military operations/testing/research and maybe somewhere in all that is the key to unlocking the puzzle. One door might open another.
It’s the only official reference I’ve come across that mentions the word “chemtrail” so that’s what I’m going to go with. Like you said if something is happening on such a wide scale eventually it will come out it would have too, I think if something is going on maybe there are clues or whatever buried in the research that haven’t been spotted yet is just a question of finding them. If something is going on they have to be somewhere. Military testing with regard to precipitation is as good a place to start as any in my opinion.