CHEMTRAILS

alastair

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

... for the third time now I showed you the vid so you could see that its possible for things to go on without the full knowledge of the pilot and I clearly stated the pilot may or may not know what he is spraying.

Oh he knows alright.

SLUMLAMB

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

You said he wouldnt be able to walk into the "base" and how would he be able to find it in the first place this to me sounds like you are saying the video is either a lie or fake or not real what ever way you want to put it and for the third time now I showed you the vid so you could see that its possible for things to go on without the full knowledge of the pilot and I clearly stated the pilot may or may not know what he is spraying. I never mentioned any I evil plan either, of course the employee would have to say out loud if he didnt nobody would hear him. Ive adopted your technique for debating here dwelling on the things that dont matter to avoid or skim over the important content. Im finished going around in circles with you if you want to do something constructive and prove me to be wrong go to one of the flight tracking sites and show me where two flights follow the same or similar flight paths at the same time within a minute of each other or less than ten plane lengths of each other or where a plane intersects the flight path of another over a certain spot in Ireland within minutes of each other.

I already offered this challenge to those who deny any kond of formations in the sky and so far nothing has come back.

First, try full stops.
Second, basing on what the film maker is trying to dishonestly imply, he is ostensibly going to a base where chemtrails come from and talking to someone who actually knows he is spraying chemtrails for evil proposes, if this was the case:

Why exactly would they be even able to walk into the base where the chemtrails come from, let alone find it or even have an employee say out loud their evil plan?

It's a long dishonest stretch to pretend I was saying it was fake.

But yea silly me for tackling unimportant points that you thought were important enough to post.

As for your "challenge" it has been addressed several times.
Chances are you are simply misjudging distances because they are hard to do with planes. And as far as trails crossing over, different heights.

The onus on you is to actually show what you claim to see in the first place.

SLUMLAMB

This is just something I found about rain seeding and is for anybody who thinks just because its not a secret its nod bad or evil or dangerous in any way. I also noticed a couple of people on this forum complaining of some of these symptoms

Under the guidelines of the United States Environmental Protection Agency Clean Water Act, silver iodide is considered a hazardous substance, a priority pollutant, and a toxic pollutant.
Chronic ingestion of iodides may produce “iodism”, which may be manifested by skin rash, running nose, headache, irritation of the mucous membranes, weakness, anemia, loss of weight and general depression. Chronic inhalation, ingestion or skin contact with silver compounds may cause argyria characterized by blue-gray discoloration of the eyes, skin and mucous membranes

SLUMLAMB

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

This is just something I found about rain seeding and is for anybody who thinks just because its not a secret its nod bad or evil or dangerous in any way. I also noticed a couple of people on this forum complaining of some of these symptoms

Under the guidelines of the United States Environmental Protection Agency Clean Water Act, silver iodide is considered a hazardous substance, a priority pollutant, and a toxic pollutant.
Chronic ingestion of iodides may produce “iodism”, which may be manifested by skin rash, running nose, headache, irritation of the mucous membranes, weakness, anemia, loss of weight and general depression. Chronic inhalation, ingestion or skin contact with silver compounds may cause argyria characterized by blue-gray discoloration of the eyes, skin and mucous membranes

Grasping at any straw now...

Can you point to any cloud seeding companies in Ireland?

My name is URL

King Mob wrote: »

I was referring to modern cloud seeding operations used by various governments.
But if you want to be pedantic...

It didn't seem like that's what you were referring to, you clearly said that cloud seeding has never been a secret and BB showed you that it was an incorrect assumption. Anyway, how about this? - http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/01/03/scientists-create-52-artificial-rain-storms-in-abu-dhabi-desert/

As part of a secret program to control the weather in the Middle East, scientists working for the United Arab Emirates government artificially created rain where rain is generally nowhere to be found.

No planes involved but it's still cloud-seeding.

SLUMLAMB

King Mob wrote: »

First, try full stops.
Second, basing on what the film maker is trying to dishonestly imply, he is ostensibly going to a base where chemtrails come from and talking to someone who actually knows he is spraying chemtrails for evil proposes, if this was the case:


It's a long dishonest stretch to pretend I was saying it was fake.

But yea silly me for tackling unimportant points that you thought were important enough to post.

As for your "challenge" it has been addressed several times.
Chances are you are simply misjudging distances because they are hard to do with planes. And as far as trails crossing over, different heights.

The onus on you is to actually show what you claim to see in the first place.

Ha Ha Ha excuse me king punctuation do you want me to pull up all your grammatical errors and typos for you, I wouldnt stoop to that level
So now your king of judging distances too
The onus is not on me because im not the one claiming its normal for that many planes to be in close proximity to each other . You are.
It would be counter productive for me to get you proof or try to get you proof of something I dont believe can be proven .
your clutching at straws man

alastair

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

The onus is not on me because im not the one claiming its normal for that many planes to be in close proximity to each other . You are.

Eh no. He's saying the planes are further apart than you claim to see.

These ones are small, and those are faar away.

(as to commercial jets a couple of minutes apart on the same flightpath - that's not unusual at all)

SLUMLAMB

King Mob wrote: »

Grasping at any straw now...

Can you point to any cloud seeding companies in Ireland?

Can you point to any paddy fields in Ireland

you can still get rice tho

same goes for lots of things

and planes fly they are not born here they can fly from anywhere but you know that already dont you

alastair

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

Can you point to any paddy fields in Ireland

you can still get rice tho

same goes for lots of things

and planes fly they are not born here they can fly from anywhere but you know that already dont you

Nurse! the forceps!

SLUMLAMB

alastair wrote: »

Eh no. He's saying the planes are further apart than you claim to see.

These ones are small, and those are faar away.

I know about perspective thanks again for the crash course the planes were the same size. regardless of how near or far away they are they crossed paths. All im askin for is an example of this in a location in Ireland at the same time from one of these flight tracker sites or anywhere because i havnt found one example anywhere

SLUMLAMB

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

Ha Ha Ha excuse me king punctuation do you want me to pull up all your grammatical errors and typos for you, I wouldnt stoop to that level

I'm just asking so you can make your posts a little easier to read.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

So now your king of judging distances too

Just stating a fact that it's hard to judge distances without landmarks etc.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

The onus is not on me because im not the one claiming its normal for that many planes to be in close proximity to each other . You are.

You are claiming the planes are flying like that in the first place. We have no way of knowing if this is actually the case or not and apparently neither do you.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

It would be counter productive for me to get you proof or try to get you proof of something I dont believe can be proven .
your clutching at straws man

I'm asking for evidence of the things you are claiming to see, not for anything else.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

Can you point to any paddy fields in Ireland

you can still get rice tho

same goes for lots of things

and planes fly they are not born here they can fly from anywhere but you know that already dont you

Again I was refering to cloud seeding operations. I seems I have to word everything perfectly now, for fear of pedantry.
Can you show any evidence that any cloud seeding operations have ever happened in Ireland, let alone recently?

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

It didn't seem like that's what you were referring to, you clearly said that cloud seeding has never been a secret and BB showed you that it was an incorrect assumption. Anyway, how about this? - http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/01/03/scientists-create-52-artificial-rain-storms-in-abu-dhabi-desert/

No planes involved but it's still cloud-seeding.

Now that one does refute my central point as it actually is a government program that is secret.

However the point still stands that current cloud seeding operations in America and else where are not secret.

My name is URL

King Mob wrote: »

Now that one does refute my central point as it actually is a government program that is secret.

However the point still stands that current cloud seeding operations in America and else where are not secret.

Fair enough, I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility to imagine that secretive research is being conducted though. Maybe they're just better at keeping secrets secret. I came across this too - http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2010/s3063835.htm

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

Fair enough, I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility to imagine that secretive research is being conducted though. Maybe they're just better at keeping secrets secret. I came across this too - http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2010/s3063835.htm

But there's a vast distance between a small research project (details of which still came out) and a vast decades long global conspiracy that must involve thousands of pilots and works as well as billions of dollars in magic stealth planes, chemicals to spray and bribes and yet still not a single person has ever let it slip or produced any solid evidence.

SLUMLAMB

King Mob wrote: »

I'm just asking so you can make your posts a little easier to read.


Just stating a fact that it's hard to judge distances without landmarks etc.


You are claiming the planes are flying like that in the first place. We have no way of knowing if this is actually the case or not and apparently neither do you.

I'm asking for evidence of the things you are claiming to see, not for anything else.

Again I was refering to cloud seeding operations. I seems I have to word everything perfectly now, for fear of pedantry.
Can you show any evidence that any cloud seeding operations have ever happened in Ireland, let alone recently?

So not only are you disputing the trails now your disputing the planes even flew across or over or through the path of another.

I must have been seeing things then.

I cant give you evidence of what I saw because I didnt take pictures(if pictures are evidence at all). People asked, were criss cross patterns in the sky normal you said yes very normal.

So im asking you to show me the flight paths that intersect over a small area of Ireland even two or three even at different altitudes at the same time or within a minute of each other surely if it is so normal due to heavy air traffic it wont be too hard.

Getting back to the evidence Im waiting on pics from a mate who says he saw planes doing the same thing I asked him to forward them to me.
I know it only proves trails intersecting and doesnt prove a time line unless he has two planes in the same pic but maybe it will give you an idea of what I saw. We will see .

SLUMLAMB

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

So not only are you disputing the trails now your disputing the planes even flew across or over or through the path of another.

I must have been seeing things then.

I am disputing what you are saying you saw. It's entirely possible that you saw what looked like the paths crossing, but in reality they were quite far apart.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

I cant give you evidence of what I saw because I didnt take pictures(if pictures are evidence at all). People asked, were criss cross patterns in the sky normal you said yes very normal.

So then how do we know that you saw what you are claiming you saw?
How do you exclude the possibility that you simply misjudged the distances?

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

So im asking you to show me the flight paths that intersect over a small area of Ireland even two or three even at different altitudes at the same time or within a minute of each other surely if it is so normal due to heavy air traffic it wont be too hard.

Why not ask on the aviation forum?
They surely would be able to point you in the right direction.

SLUMLAMB

King Mob wrote: »

I am disputing what you are saying you saw. It's entirely possible that you saw what looked like the paths crossing, but in reality they were quite far apart.


So then how do we know that you saw what you are claiming you saw?
How do you exclude the possibility that you simply misjudged the distances?

Why not ask on the aviation forum?
They surely would be able to point you in the right direction.

Man I know they could have been miles apart Im not saying they were both at the same height when they intersected maybe intersect not the best choice of words. Im not saying the trails phisically touched, The point I am trying to make is, That many planes should not have been flying all different directions in such a short space of time whatever height they were at. Thats why I suggested flight routes because there is not enough for them to cross over or even appear to cross over in such a small area.

I have the pics Ill post them next.

SLUMLAMB

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

Man I know they could have been miles apart Im not saying they were both at the same height when they intersected maybe intersect not the best choice of words. Im not saying the trails phisically touched, The point I am trying to make is, That many planes should not have been flying all different directions in such a short space of time whatever height they were at. Thats why I suggested flight routes because there is not enough for them to cross over or even appear to cross over in such a small area.

I have the pics Ill post them next.

So what, beyond personal insistence, is this particular claim based on exactly?

SLUMLAMB

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namloc1980

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

For all you who keep going on about these flight tracker sites please go on to one yourself and find 3 or even 2 planes flying the same path within minutes of each other better still find two planes that fly about two plane widths apart over the same place and then then two more that intersect those paths in any given area and snip the screen shot and post it up.

Yesterday at 12:38 over the Southeast coast:



There are at least 13 aircraft in this one area at this one time. According to the tracker most of them are going to the US and Canada from the Uk/Europe. Note the planes flying adjacent to each other and flying in more or less the same path. Also note the plane heading southbound intersecting the planes going west. This is typical of the air traffic over Ireland. Check it out yourself: http://casper.frontier.nl/eidw/

SLUMLAMB

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SLUMLAMB

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namloc1980

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

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Where are these taken from, roughly?

SLUMLAMB

namloc1980 wrote: »

Yesterday at 12:38 over the Southeast coast:



There are at least 13 aircraft in this one area at this one time. According to the tracker most of them are going to the US and Canada from the Uk/Europe. Note the planes flying adjacent to each other and flying in more or less the same path. Also note the plane heading southbound intersecting the planes going west. This is typical of the air traffic over Ireland. Check it out yourself: http://casper.frontier.nl/eidw/

Thanks for taking the time to get this information I appriciate the fact you just got stuk in with no moaning, However that is not what I mean by one area that is quite a big area that is 13 planes in an area equal to the size of south east Ireland and most of the Irish sea. I am talking about an area the size of Kilcullen Co.Kildare with 4 planes none of these planes seem to be heading in that direction so its safe to say that most trans atlantic flights would be taking similar routes and wouldnt swing by kilcullen.

also is that chemtrails or contrails I see coming from all those planes......

namloc1980

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

Thanks for taking the time to get this information I appriciate the fact you just got stuk in with no moaning, However that is not what I mean by one area that is quite a big area that is 13 planes in an area equal to the size of south east Ireland and most of the Irish sea. I am talking about an area the size of Kilcullen Co.Kildare with 4 planes none of these planes seem to be heading in that direction so its safe to say that most trans atlantic flights would be taking similar routes and wouldnt swing by kilcullen.

also is that chemtrails or contrails I see coming from all those planes......

Well to be honest you may see a plane flying over Kilcullen but in reality it could be many miles downrange from your location because of the height the plane is flying. What time and when did you see four planes flying together?

SLUMLAMB

namloc1980 wrote: »

Where are these taken from, roughly?

Naas not exactly a hotspot for plane spotting the guy that took them got his camera out because of the frequency of the planes overhead which he found most unusual he kept snapping because what he bilieved to be contrails began spreading out over the sky

SLUMLAMB

namloc1980 wrote: »

Well to be honest you may see a plane flying over Kilcullen but in reality it could be many miles downrange from your location because of the height the plane is flying. What time and when did you see four planes flying together?

Fair point but I stopped the car and one flew directly overhead It was between 2.15pm and 2.30pm. I had driven from Carlow and they came into view near Moone and were littering the sky with trails all directions

namloc1980

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

Fair point but I stopped the car and one flew directly overhead It was between 2.15pm and 2.30pm. I had driven from Carlow and they came into view near Moone and were littering the sky with trails all directions

This is probably it:



Flew over Kilcullen today between 2.15 and 2.30. Lufthansa flight from Frankfurt to Toronto. There are a number of other planes outside of this image and also more following behind.

SLUMLAMB

namloc1980 wrote: »

This is probably it:



Flew over Kilcullen today between 2.15 and 2.30. Lufthansa flight from Frankfurt to Toronto. There are a number of other planes outside of this image and also more following behind.

Sorry I should have said it was Friday 21st the date and time is on the pics I posted but I should have been more clear. There were more on Saturday but closer to Athy between 1pm and 2pm, Newbridge/Naas was overcast so couldn see a thing. Thanks again for your input.
I have snipped a few flight plans from the same site from Friday Ill post now

SLUMLAMB

Ok here are some of the flights I found for Friday 21st
Two of the flights over Kilcullen I was on about could be explained by this but that still leaves quiet a few trails that cant be explained. These flights are both travelling same direction and dont cross over at any point so also doesnt explain any criss cross trails.They are also at least 10 miles apart.

Only one flight passes over Naas which couldnt produce the amount of trails in the pics.
Ill keep searching for other sources for now

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