CHEMTRAILS

Monty Burnz

Talk E wrote: »

Fair enough.

Maybe you can explain what the middle trail is in this video @ 2:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBE1FUx0268

I can't see the video due to copyright issues.
I don't think it could be the auxiliary power unit, as that's basically just a propeller that is driven by the plane's movement through the air and powers the controls and flight instruments if the engines fail. Without seeing the video, I can only suggest (aside from aerodynamic effects) that it might be an engine mounted on the tail of the plane, as with the MD-11.

Monty Burnz

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I can't see the video due to copyright issues.
I don't think it could be the auxiliary power unit, as that's basically just a propeller that is driven by the plane's movement through the air and powers the controls and flight instruments if the engines fail. Without seeing the video, I can only suggest (aside from aerodynamic effects) that it might be an engine mounted on the tail of the plane, as with the MD-11.

Well the APU would either heat the air that passes through it or make the air passing through it a lower pressure, or a combination of both.
So it entirely could be the APU.

Monty Burnz

King Mob wrote: »

Well the APU would either heat the air that passes through it or make the air passing through it a lower pressure, or a combination of both.
So it entirely could be the APU.

Excellent point, I hadn't thought of that but I'll say I covered that by lumping it under 'other aerodynamic effects'.

iPlop

It looks like the APU ,it's a smaller type of jet engine that's used for Auxillery power and for starting the main engines, it's also used for the air conditoning in some aircraft, but not during flight.

The APU is critical on extended range aircraft, as they supply backup electricity and compressed air in place of the dead engine or failed main engine generator.

Below is the APU on an Airbus A380

Talk E

Yup, APU is not used in flight unless one or more engines fail. We can see in the video above that the engines had not failed yet there was a trail coming from the APU.

Also, in some instances we can see more that one trail coming from one engine, that is to say, we can see one trail on one side and two on the opposite.

Monty Burnz

Talk E wrote: »

Yup, APU is not used in flight unless one or more engines fail. We can see in the video above that the engines had not failed yet there was a trail coming from the APU.

Also, in some instances we can see more that one trail coming from one engine, that is to say, we can see one trail on one side and two on the opposite.

It seems to me that there is an awful lot of speculation here based on effects that we don't understand relating to atmospheric conditions, engine configurations, aerodynamics and so forth. It seems that there is usually an explanation for these 'anomolies' when you talk to an expert in the area. So it seems to me that our amateur speculation/investigation would be better focused on the planes on the ground. They take off from somewhere, and they land somewhere. They refuel. They are flown by somebody, and they are working for somebody. If these planes are part of a big CT involving spraying stuff, how come we have no information covering any of those areas? This whole CT seems to ignore what happens when these planes aren't in the air, and the whole organisation that the CT implies.

Talk E

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It seems to me that there is an awful lot of speculation here based on effects that we don't understand relating to atmospheric conditions, engine configurations, aerodynamics and so forth. It seems that there is usually an explanation for these 'anomolies' when you talk to an expert in the area. So it seems to me that our amateur speculation/investigation would be better focused on the planes on the ground. They take off from somewhere, and they land somewhere. They refuel. They are flown by somebody, and they are working for somebody. If these planes are part of a big CT involving spraying stuff, how come we have no information covering any of those areas? This whole CT seems to ignore what happens when these planes aren't in the air, and the whole organisation that the CT implies.

You don't have the skillset to debunk, fair enough.

Monty Burnz

Talk E wrote: »

You don't have the skillset to debunk, fair enough.

Well, a combination of that, and you not having the skillset to understand APUs, aerodynamics, atmospheric effects etc. etc. so as to be able to identify something genuinely unusual.

And remember, for this CT to stand up, you have to be able to show not only that something fishy is going on up above (and for some reason, nobody has ever tested the contrails to find out what they are chemically ) but you also have to be able to explain how this thing works on the ground. As far as I'm aware, nobody has ever come up with even the first piece of evidence for the massive ground operation that the proposed air operation implies.

Talk E

Just found this...

I extracted a nano sized organism from a chemtrail fiber that had been collected after heavy spraying in Nebraska. I captured its growth with my dark field scope. The living fiber is now on its way to a friend who has better lab access.

I have tested 23 out of 35 adults and 3 out of 4 children positive for these same fibers. None of those tested showed any outward signs of Morgellons. I now know these fibers respond to frequencies, electromagnetic ones. Let’s hope none of our friendly governments decide to let loose a frequency that awakes these horrors.

http://aircrap.org/proof-of-morgellons-fibers-in-chemtrails/331274/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxfFZ6E3Kvk

More info here...
http://aircrap.org/the-biggest-crime-of-all-time/331026/

Monty Burnz

Talk E wrote: »

More info here...
http://aircrap.org/the-biggest-crime-of-all-time/331026/

Is there any way we can find out a bit about whoever is behind this, check out their credentials etc? The site seems very thin on details, but thick on CTs.

For example, the way this fibre was associated with a contrail seems a tad unscientific...

I extracted a nano sized organism from a chemtrail fiber that had been collected (HOW??) after heavy spraying in Nebraska.

Talk E

I dunno, just found it, havnt read it all yet. Just thought I'd change the subject to save you any more embarrassment .

Kinda spooky though isnt it. We are all ****ed lol

Monty Burnz

Talk E wrote: »

I dunno, just found it, havnt read it all yet. Just thought I'd change the subject to save you any more embarrassment .

Embarrassment? I'm not embarrassed not to be an expert on aeronautics, it's not my area. But I would be embarrassed if every time I saw something I didn't understand, I started shouting 'conspiracy!!!'

GarlicBread

Any1 watch TV3 news at 5:30 today? Martin King(i think thats his name), the weather presenter, was showing pics that were sent in. The first pic he showed was this.......



He then say somthing like, "omg, not that one", and switched it to another really fast! Hilarious stuff.

I cant find the video on their site, not sure if its anywhere at all. The picture can still be found at http://www.tv3.ie/weather.php.

Monty Burnz

GarlicBread wrote: »

He then say somthing like, "omg, not that one", and switched it to another really fast! Hilarious stuff.

Wow - this conspiracy is getting wider and wider. Pretty soon I'll be the only person who isn't in on it...:)

CiaranMT

GarlicBread wrote: »

Any1 watch TV3 news at 5:30 today? Martin King(i think thats his name), the weather presenter, was showing pics that were sent in. The first pic he showed was this.......



He then say somthing like, "omg, not that one", and switched it to another really fast! Hilarious stuff.

I cant find the video on their site, not sure if its anywhere at all. The picture can still be found at http://www.tv3.ie/weather.php.

That's a beautiful sunrise. I wish I was an early riser.

33

CiaranMT wrote: »

That's a beautiful sunrise. I wish I was an early riser.

Night school is it?

GarlicBread

Former FBI chief Ted Gundersun says chemtrails are genocide and a crime againt humanity and are also killing birds and fish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJDKUsD-4J8

Makes you wonder about who or what is doing this and why? Could certain countrys like the US or organisations such as NATO or the UN be compromised? And if so how do we bring about an end to the practice before it goes to far?

Id like to think we are not being murdered, if we dont at least entertain the possibility it could be a huge mistake. Are these things not dumping this stuff over Ireland every day aswell as other countries? Wake up early every morning for sunrise and you will see what they are doing.

namloc1980

GarlicBread wrote: »

Former FBI chief Ted Gundersun says chemtrails are genocide and a crime againt humanity and are also killing birds and fish.

Presumably if it's a genocide, he can point to or show us evidence of the vast swathes of people keeling over because of so called "chemtrails"?

GarlicBread

namloc1980 wrote: »

Presumably if it's a genocide, he can point to or show us evidence of the vast swathes of people keeling over because of so called "chemtrails"?

Are you really purporting the argument that this is not really happening at all and that there is no evidence?

namloc1980

GarlicBread wrote: »

Are you really purporting the argument that this is not really happening at all and that there is no evidence?

Where is the evidence for the genocide as a direct result of "chemtrails"?

GarlicBread

namloc1980 wrote: »

Where is the evidence for the genocide as a direct result of "chemtrails"?

The evidence appears to be falling from the sky :rolleyes:. And anyhow, if people did start dying from chemtrails, you can bet your bottom doller there would be an advance protocol in effect to cover and surpress it.

Are they not doing a half decent job already making a good bulk of the population and the political systems completely unaware and ignorant to the situation?

iPlop

namloc1980 wrote: »

Where is the evidence for the genocide as a direct result of "chemtrails"?

The slow death, 30 years from now, until then no evidence..or how the story goes, and then it will be too late.

Monty Burnz

GarlicBread wrote: »

Former FBI chief Ted Gundersun says chemtrails are genocide and a crime againt humanity and are also killing birds and fish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJDKUsD-4J8

Makes you wonder about who or what is doing this and why?

Well, that assumes it is happening. Look at it this way: who the hell would do such a thing? Answer: probably nobody. How the hell could they cover it up? Answer: They couldn't.

Nobody has tackled my question about the massive ground operation that the proposed 'spraying' operation implies. I'm not surprised - it seems like a show-stopper.

By the way, this Gunderson guy seems to be a bit unreliable.

namloc1980

GarlicBread wrote: »

The evidence appears to be falling from the sky :rolleyes:. And anyhow, if people did start dying from chemtrails, you can bet your bottom doller there would be an advance protocol in effect to cover and surpress it.

Are they not doing a half decent job already making a good bulk of the population and the political systems completely unaware and ignorant to the situation?

So people are being killed by these "chemtrails", and presumably it's an awful lot of people as it's described as a genocide, yet there is such a vast cover-up in place that nobody misses these people who are keeling over from "chemtrails"? Have I that right?

GarlicBread

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Well, that assumes it is happening. Look at it this way: who the hell would do such a thing? Answer: probably nobody. How the hell could they cover it up? Answer: They couldn't.

Nobody has tackled my question about the massive ground operation that the proposed 'spraying' operation implies. I'm not surprised - it seems like a show-stopper.

By the way, this Gunderson guy seems to be a bit unreliable.

They are doing a terrible job trying to cover it up, this thread and a million more like it are prove of that.

What kinda of ground operation you taking about? Like thousands of spin doctors running rampant on the web spinning the line that its only normal contrails and trying to drag every argument about it into a meaningless cul-de-sac?

Why do you think hes unreliable?

Monty Burnz

GarlicBread wrote: »

They are doing a terrible job trying to cover it up, this thread and a million more like it are prove of that.

Well in that case, there is definitely a Christian God, because there must be loads of threads about him. And the Muslim (version of) God must be true too. And all those Hindu Gods, and the Buddhist...no god - because there are loads of threads around about them too.
Or perhaps the volume of threads about something are a poor indicator of whether that thing is true or not?

GarlicBread wrote: »

What kinda of ground operation you taking about? Like thousands of spin doctors running rampant on the web spinning the line that its only normal contrails and trying to drag every argument about it into a meaningless cul-de-sac?

Well I was thinking more of the guys who build these planes, the guys who fly these planes, the guys who service these planes, the guys who fuel these planes, the guys who put the funny chemicals in the planes, the guys who deliver the funny chemicals to the airports, the guys who organise the flights, and the guys who organise the logistics of getting the funny chemicals and flights to the right places. Plus all of their families and friends.

And of course thousands of spin doctors...

GarlicBread wrote: »

Why do you think hes unreliable?

Lots of reasons. He seems to (or pretends to) believe in all manner of crazy stuff, and makes money out of selling things to people who share those beliefs.

But here's some more C/T style evidence that you might be more comfortable with

Gunderson a Former Senior Special Agent for the FBI, who uses his former credentials to fool the general public, a Bush Crime Family con-artist in action. American Terrorist Ted L. Gunderson, why is he not behind bars? Homeland Security you are hereby put on noticed under Title 18 U.S.C. 4 Federal Reporting Crimes Act (See: Stew Webb Federal Grand Jury Demand below) do your JOB and arrest this criminal. We will testify and present the evidence against Gunderson.

Incidentally, I still haven't seen a single convincing piece of evidence that there is anything harmful in airplane contrails.

Talk E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXoM36eRWfc

CiaranMT

33 wrote: »

Night school is it?

Nah, just a person who doesn't get to sleep til late!

Di0genes

The Incredible Fridge wrote: »

The slow death, 30 years from now, until then no evidence..or how the story goes, and then it will be too late.

And what happens to the families of the people who spray the chemtrails.

And their children? Over the course of 30 years they're going to get adult children, who might marry. What happens to their spouses? And their children? And their spouses families?

Brown Bomber

Di0genes wrote: »

And what happens to the families of the people who spray the chemtrails.

And their children? Over the course of 30 years they're going to get adult children, who might marry. What happens to their spouses? And their children? And their spouses families?

I'm not saying contrails are chemtrails but for arguments sake let's say they are chemtrals I would assume that there is an antidote. Also, it could be considered a sacrifice for the greater good by brainwashed military types.